Benson DD AA Defence - WG Please Buff

[MrEasyUK]

I will post a request in the hope that WG consider what I am saying.... the recent changes you have made to US Destroyers has given the option of the 5 gun hull with max torps, the alternative hull gives us an extra AA capability and less one gun.

 

I love the game don't get me wrong and this is my ship of choice and my preference is ranked above random games, but the AA on on the Benson is a total joke, in fact to be honest it is not funny at all, in a ranked match all a CV needs to do is keep a DD spotted, the AA on the Benson with a 5 gun hull does not even shoot down a single plane if the CV has the plane upgrades, so I am being chased arround by planes until killed, it does not make any sense at all, please do not say select the AA hull and loose a gun, especialy as you have tier 6 Kiev dds that can level a Benson and are they 2 tiers below.

 

Destoyers have allways put up walls of lead when it comes to AA but the Benson AA is rediculous at the moment and lesser ships appear to have better AA... please take this as a positive request, all I am asking for is an improvent in the Bensons AA not invincibility.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

Why not give your already overpowered Benson 5 more guns, more torps with a speed of 100kts and more armour, hopefully you will be happy then, oh lets not forget more AA for the Benson, maybe another 10 AA guns..there sorted

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

If you want better AA, take the C hull.

The A & B vs C hulls were introduced to force you into making a choice, because gunship Benson is already quite strong.

 

If anything, I would like to see the C hull AA buffed, not the gunship hulls, as RU dds have more aa than C hull benson.

[Shaka_D]

Why not give your already overpowered Benson 5 more guns, more torps with a speed of 100kts and more armour, hopefully you will be happy then, oh lets not forget more AA for the Benson, maybe another 10 AA guns..there sorted

 

 

The point he is making is that the 'upgraded hull' which removes one gun but adds AA in actual fact nerfs the Benson terribly since the AA is totally ineffective. Why pay all those credits and XP for an upgrade which in fact reduces severely the fighting capability of the DD - You are thus paying for a nerf. OP is 100% correct and it's been said before. Many destroyers lose a gun only to be replaced by AA which is ineffective against planes. In all my time playing the Benson I've only ever shot down one plane in a battle, despite my AA fire going beserk on many occasions.

[Shaka_D]

If you want better AA, take the C hull.

The A & B vs C hulls were introduced to force you into making a choice, because gunship Benson is already quite strong.

 

If anything, I would like to see the C hull AA buffed, not the gunship hulls, as RU dds have more aa than C hull benson.

 

The AA on the C-hull doesn't do much at all, it's a downgrade. If the AA did anything worthwhile it may be a good option, but it does nothing.

[Kirasa]

 

The AA on the C-hull doesn't do much at all, it's a downgrade. If the AA did anything worthwhile it may be a good option, but it does nothing.

 

Try to combine it with ctrl + LMB and the AA Barrage.

[Kazomir]

Some of the Benson-classes were modified for maximum AA measure as an anti-kamikaze measure, but at the cost of their torpedo tubes.

[TheJezna]

The problem with those "AA hulls" is that while the AA rating increases, it does so by removing one of the Dual Purpose 127 mm guns and adding shorter ranged AC's and Machineguns. And as it is, short range AA is basically mostly just there to punish DB's who drop on you, very rarely does any other planes get close enough. And yea, you can get the AA skill, but that's gimped to with just 4 DP guns. Sacrificing 20% firepower, 20% long range AA and speedboost to get a bit better short range AA and the AA skill that rarely makes a huge difference is a pretty bad deal, even if you go all out and take all AA upgrades and skills to go with it. So yea, in games where a decent CV captain decides to make a DD captains life miserable there's nothing much to do other to stay close to some cruisers. But that goes for any class really.

[creamgravy]

The Benson C-Hull should have 7 Oerlikons not 4 according to wiki.

 

With defensive fire and all the range upgrades you should be able to destroy 10-15 planes per game, break up 1-3 alpha strikes and make the carrier players life more miserable than it already is. If they focus you? Great!

Taking the C hull is a big commitment to being a fleet escort destroyer. Lucky it has great torpedoes, gives you something to do when screening/spotting.

[ShockPirat]

Instead of buffing Benson's AA, why not improve the AA mechanics?

 

AA dps should get progressively better the longer planes are in that particular ship's AA bubble. Maybe limit it only to destroyers, because BB AA already wrecks planes easily.

 

For instance, if a plane spends 10 seconds in a DDs AA bubble, AA dps begins increasing by 10% every 5 seconds...

And give this to all destroyers, perhaps buffing the numbers a bit for USN as they were more specialized for AA.

 

This would punish fighter floating but wouldn't change the normal plane attacks too much.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Have to agree CVs can make themselves a nightmare, but that is true for any DD. 

 

 

The AA on the C-hull doesn't do much at all, it's a downgrade. If the AA did anything worthwhile it may be a good option, but it does nothing.

 

The purpose of the AA is to prevent CV players from hanging a fighter over your head. The C hull aa is plenty for that purpose.

However, I do think the C hull could use a buff, as I wrote. Currently RU dds have better aa dps than US dds, which is totally wrong if the USA is intended by WG to be the AA nation.

 

If you want to play fleet air-defence then use Defensive Fire on the C hull. If you want to shoot down tons of planes, play US BBs > tier 6 or USS cleveland / atlanta.

[TheJezna]

Have to agree CVs can make themselves a nightmare, but that is true for any DD. 

 

 

The purpose of the AA is to prevent CV players from hanging a fighter over your head. The C hull aa is plenty for that purpose.

However, I do think the C hull could use a buff, as I wrote. Currently RU dds have better aa dps than US dds, which is totally wrong if the USA is intended by WG to be the AA nation.

 

If you want to play fleet air-defence then use Defensive Fire on the C hull. If you want to shoot down tons of planes, play US BBs > tier 6 or USS cleveland / atlanta.

 

Nah, it doesn't really do much for that either. If you use the skill he just needs to back off until it's on cooldown, and without it he just have to circulate the fighters out of your AA once in a while to reset the damage.

[GulvkluderGuld]

 

Nah, it doesn't really do much for that either. If you use the skill he just needs to back off until it's on cooldown, and without it he just have to circulate the fighters out of your AA once in a while to reset the damage.

 

I've had my C hull benson shoot down the first plane in seconds. Seems pretty random though, as sometimes they float around above for 15-20s with nothing happening.

Thats another good reason for a buff. B hull benson cant shoot planes out of the sky even if they park above and go for a teabreak 

 

As for DF, I dont understand your point. DF breaks up the attack and makes torps and bombs drop all over the place if used correctly, eg when the planes commit.

You can also use it early to give the AA of BBs and CAs time to shoot down planes. because the CV needs to pull them back.

What it doenst do, and isnt supposed to, is shoot down all the planes. Thats what BB anti-air is for

[MrEasyUK]

Essentialy all CV players do with a Benson now is hang planes over the top of them, even with Captain perks it does nothing, people say the Benson is overpowered, well it is lethal as with any ship, but all I am suggesting is to buff the AA slightly... the 5 guns are good yes, but a Benson can take a pounding from a Kiev two tiers below it and the Polish destoryer Blyskawica can give a Benson a hard time and again this ship is a tier below, both ships if not all DD ships have better AA.

 

As for IJN destroyers they are fine as they are, in the ballance of things evey IJN Cruiser has torps where as US doesnt, so thats a kind of ballance thing for the US and the Benson 

 

All I am asking for is AA that is a deterent for CVs that just hang planes over a DD and paticular the Benson with its poor AA, I mean even with the AA hull the AA is still damned poor, so then you have your IJN cariers with more planes than that of the US carriers your Benson is in trouble and often a Target with little you can do. I see some players here truly understand what I am talking about, I am not asking for the world just a buff that will stop the Plane Hanging.

 

CV players in ranked are on to this like a hot knife through butter and its a ballance problem especialy if most of the DDs on your team are Bensons. If it is your team and Bensons are plauged by Plane hanging with the upgraded hull then your in trouble, you down grade it is no better and then your open to all damned DDs at lower tiers that are far mor over powered than Benson.

[MrEasyUK]

 

The point he is making is that the 'upgraded hull' which removes one gun but adds AA in actual fact nerfs the Benson terribly since the AA is totally ineffective. Why pay all those credits and XP for an upgrade which in fact reduces severely the fighting capability of the DD - You are thus paying for a nerf. OP is 100% correct and it's been said before. Many destroyers lose a gun only to be replaced by AA which is ineffective against planes. In all my time playing the Benson I've only ever shot down one plane in a battle, despite my AA fire going beserk on many occasions.

 

You hit the nail on the head

[MrEasyUK]

Also note that if the CV has not used the Captain Perk to upgrade planes then you can shoot down one or two, but not if they are upgraded which is what you get in ranked matches

[Kazomir]

I do not think the AA of the US DD's should be buffed.

 

The fact that an enemy carrier is diverting planes to you means that the carrier that is on YOUR TEAM can either:

 

A. Use his fighters to kill the enemy's unprotected bombers.

B. Come to your aid and fight under your AA.

[MrEasyUK]

I do not think the AA of the US DD's should be buffed.

 

The fact that an enemy carrier is diverting planes to you means that the carrier that is on YOUR TEAM can either:

 

A. Use his fighters to kill the enemy's unprotected bombers.

B. Come to your aid and fight under your AA.

 

In the heat of a battle a DD has a role to play.

 

Protect other ships by staying out from the fleet as an early detection for enemy Torpedoes.

Wait for the enemy DDs to reveal their position on a cap or stop in a smoke Cloud and you torp them

Capping is of mega importance for a DD and is the thrust of every game, anything bigger goes in a cap its detected and nuked.

Spotting the enemy fleet so our BBs (Team) can hit them

Smoke clouds over the fleet

Move quickly in to a support role for other ships

 

The list is endless, but essentialy a DD has to be anywhere and everywhere and stay alive, often means that a DD can and often has to be a distance from the main fleet or the tactic agreed means that the dds have to split from the fleet which is often the case on multiple cap maps.... and the CVs can not break attack and support depending whether they are US or IJN as the support they can offer is different depending on Nation, they just dont have the planes if they are US especialy in Ranked matches with tier 6 through to 8 ships, and then your suggestion all bears on whether the CV on my side has Fighter set up with a plane spare.

 

To be honest i dont think you realise the problem or how busy the CV's are in a ranked match especialy if your team has a US CV, and dont get me wrong I understand what your saying but it is not a solution and you try perhaps play the Benson with either hulls then tell me the AA is not appaling, and if your CV is sunk what do you do then?  What if the match is down to the last two ships on the other team and one of them is a CV hanging planes on your teams destroyer, what your saying is forget the AA for the Benson and leave it defenceless against air Attack, i can dodge what they throw at me but with planes hanging over the top of you at any stage of agame and being unable to even shoot one of the planes down or deter the air attack is crazy.

 

[Mayv]

Essentialy all CV players do with a Benson now is hang planes over the top of them, even with Captain perks it does nothing, people say the Benson is overpowered, well it is lethal as with any ship, but all I am suggesting is to buff the AA slightly... the 5 guns are good yes, but a Benson can take a pounding from a Kiev two tiers below it and the Polish destoryer Blyskawica can give a Benson a hard time and again this ship is a tier below, both ships if not all DD ships have better AA.

 

The Kiev is one tier lower than the Benson.

 

All DDs have poor AA. The advantage for the USN DDs is that they have the option of getting the defensive fire cooldown.

 

All I am asking for is AA that is a deterent for CVs that just hang planes over a DD and paticular the Benson with its poor AA, I mean even with the AA hull the AA is still damned poor, so then you have your IJN cariers with more planes than that of the US carriers your Benson is in trouble and often a Target with little you can do. I see some players here truly understand what I am talking about, I am not asking for the world just a buff that will stop the Plane Hanging.

 

All DDs suffer when a CV hangs planes over your head IJN DDs more so, due to their reliance on stealth and torpedoes. Plane hanging has become less of a problem with mirrored CV MM. (Never mind the fact that they are less common overall). If the Benson needs an AA buff other DDs need it more so.

 

CV players in ranked are on to this like a hot knife through butter and its a ballance problem especialy if most of the DDs on your team are Bensons. If it is your team and Bensons are plauged by Plane hanging with the upgraded hull then your in trouble, you down grade it is no better and then your open to all damned DDs at lower tiers that are far mor over powered than Benson.

 

What happened to your teams CV? In this situations you should put some cover between you and enemy ships that are shooting at you or turn and run back to the cover of your team.

 

The list is endless, but essentialy a DD has to be anywhere and everywhere and stay alive, often means that a DD can and often has to be a distance from the main fleet

 

How far is 'a distance'? Do you have support from the rest of your fleet?

 

While DDs can lone wolf better than other classes doesnt mean they should. A DD being spotted in the open with the enemy fleet taking aim and no support made a mistake.

s play the Benson with either hulls then tell me the AA is not appaling.

 

What are these DDs with great AA that you speak of?

 

if your CV is sunk what do you do then?  What if the match is down to the last two ships on the other team and one of them is a CV hanging planes on your teams destroyer, what your saying is forget the AA for the Benson and leave it defenceless against air Attack, i can dodge what they throw at me but with planes hanging over the top of you at any stage of agame and being unable to even shoot one of the planes down or deter the air attack is crazy.

 

Fair play to the enemy CV/other ships for sinking your CV. You should then either stick closer to your teammates. If you are planning on capping expect for the enemy CV to send you a welcome party.

 

Dodging Air attacks is very doable now. Most DDs cant out run airdropped torps (35knts) I think all can if they use the speed boost. For DB wait until they are directly above you and then swing your rudder hard to either port or starboard and you should avoid pretty much all DBs.

[MrEasyUK]

Out of all the DDs played, the Benson is the worst for AA without any shadow of doubt, it is so easy to be critical.... I have suggested a number of scenarios, the crooks of it is the Bensons AA is is Pointless even if with an upgraded hull,

 

Yes there are things that can be done to reduce the plane hanging, but why pay for the upgrade, the XP and the credits and the time grinding your ship when the so called upgrade does little? And if all DDs need an AA buff to deter plane hanging then so be it... but from the DDs I have played there is nothing as bad as the AA on the Benson.

[Takru]

Well, you lose 1 gun for more AA. Fubuki loses two guns for more AA :-/

[Nechrom]

 

The point he is making is that the 'upgraded hull' which removes one gun but adds AA in actual fact nerfs the Benson terribly since the AA is totally ineffective. Why pay all those credits and XP for an upgrade which in fact reduces severely the fighting capability of the DD - You are thus paying for a nerf. OP is 100% correct and it's been said before. Many destroyers lose a gun only to be replaced by AA which is ineffective against planes. In all my time playing the Benson I've only ever shot down one plane in a battle, despite my AA fire going beserk on many occasions.

 

This is not a Benson issue, but a "swap guns for AA" issue. It's the same for any DD which has that option. Benson gets a smaller AA boost in that trade because it's just a single gun. Japanese DDs get a slightly bigger boost but loses two guns.

[MrEasyUK]

 

This is not a Benson issue, but a "swap guns for AA" issue. It's the same for any DD which has that option. Benson gets a smaller AA boost in that trade because it's just a single gun. Japanese DDs get a slightly bigger boost but loses two guns.

 

Disagree, after playing other DDs the AA on the Benson upgraded or not is worse than any other DD, but what i will say is yes overall DDs could do with an AA buff, but until they do it wont stop the Plane Hanging issue, and the Fubuki looses just one turret with hull upgrades and the Fubuki also fires an extra Torpedo

[Nechrom]

 

Disagree, after playing other DDs the AA on the Benson upgraded or not is worse than any other DD, but what i will say is yes overall DDs could do with an AA buff, but until they do it wont stop the Plane Hanging issue, and the Fubuki looses just one turret with hull upgrades and the Fubuki also fires an extra Torpedo

 

The Fubuki loses 2 guns for 6 extra AA rating. The Benson loses 1 gun for 3 extra AA rating. Literally the same.

As for comparative AA, the Benson only has two other tier VIII DDs to compare to. A single point behind the Tashkent, 3 points behind the Fubuki (which sacrifices more guns). Unless you make them identical there is always going to be one that is worse. It's a tiny difference.

Once again, the issue is that basically no DDs have useful AA. You'll be happy to shoot down two planes in the Fubuki over one battle regardless of how many opportunities you get.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

I don't think that AA is important for DDs.

 

Speed, guns, torps and smoke are much more important imho....

 

I don't see the point of the Bensons's C-Hull at all, that tiny increase of AA is totally not worth losing a gun for it....

 

If you want a DD with nice AA - try the Udaloi. ;)