xPiiRaTeD Players 18 posts 1,925 battles Report post #51 Posted January 20, 2016 Nobody replied, but I am moving it now I replied haha Hi all. All the kind comments are greatly appreciated. There are obviously some edits to the table that need to be addressed. Clearer information: I need to list the range of the main battery rather than the stock range. It seems quite confusing I know. I understand it because I designed it; I didn't plan for this to be released publicly. Order of operations for mathematical calculations: from reading it seems that captain perks that decrease detection range apply after the penalty for shooting. Adding in premium ships Currently I'm not home right now. I will fix this as soon as possible. MrConway, you may move this to the destroyer guide section if you'd like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKRUB] Lebedjev Players 654 posts 29,377 battles Report post #52 Posted January 26, 2016 How many time the smoke screen give us, after being enable ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xPiiRaTeD Players 18 posts 1,925 battles Report post #53 Posted January 27, 2016 @ 9:45, the author describes that his smoke, at least for the gearing runs out when the timer hits 1:15 on the cooldown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #54 Posted January 27, 2016 How many time the smoke screen give us, after being enable ? I asked iku earlier today for this. Here's the link. http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?showtopic=66457 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #55 Posted February 4, 2016 DD get way too overpowered like this... I'm expecting a rethinking of DD tactics really soon... When you said OP you mean that dds do least dmg of all classes? Because that is what state shows..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAG] General_Alexus Players 1,046 posts 13,178 battles Report post #56 Posted February 6, 2016 I noticed a little mistake in your Formular: After 100 Gearingrounds i know the detection of this ship when fireing is around 9.4 km. This is because 5th Captain perk reduce the penalty by 10% as well, but only 5th Perk not the Modual/Camo. 5.9 + (3.9*0.9 ) = 9.41 and this is the number i see ingame when playing Gearing ( and other DDs it seem to work as well ) I hope you can confirm this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #57 Posted February 14, 2016 Time to add the tier 6 Anshan premium DD concealment 7 km Air detection 3,6 km firing range 11,9 km gun detection increase 5,9 km stealth firing possible at 12,9+ km (would need AFT) The Gremy is still way to OP with it's 3,8 km gun detection increase it should have been nerf'ed with the rest of the Russian DD's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #58 Posted February 14, 2016 The Gremy is still way to OP with it's 3,8 km gun detection increase it should have been nerf'ed with the rest of the Russian DD's. WG will probably leave it as it is and never sell it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheodorosK Beta Tester 119 posts 5,922 battles Report post #59 Posted February 15, 2016 I would like to see this thread updated when the AFT will be removed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #60 Posted February 15, 2016 I would like to see this thread updated when the AFT will be removed. AFT will still affect guns below 139mm, so all DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,446 battles Report post #61 Posted February 15, 2016 Hi all, What about upcoming "Kamikaze R"? Thanks in advance! Leo "Apollo11" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #62 Posted February 15, 2016 Hi all, What about upcoming "Kamikaze R"? Thanks in advance! Leo "Apollo11" Same as Minekaze. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_IRN_] Cor3y Players 202 posts 5,009 battles Report post #63 Posted February 18, 2016 Are there plans to add the Anshan and the Lo Yang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #64 Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Are there plans to add the Anshan and the Lo Yang? I already tested and posted the stats for the Anshan on the last page http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/41343-undetectable-destroyer-firing-capabilities-excel-table/page__st__40__pid__849087#entry849087 And as for the Lo Yang then it should be identical to the Benson C-hull upgaded, only difference i see is the that the Lo Yang only has 14,600 HP whereas the the Benson B-C-hull has 15,400 HP. The guns look to be identical, but the Lo Yang has hydroacoustic search to make up for the lower HP pool. So i'm fairly sure the Lo Yang is the has the same stats as the Benson when it comes to detection, but i can't be sure as i only own the Benson, as i bought the Anshan instead of it. Edited February 21, 2016 by Cpt_BrownBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xPiiRaTeD Players 18 posts 1,925 battles Report post #65 Posted February 26, 2016 Hey guys. I'll be updating this thread very soon. Sorry for the delay, I've been busy playing! Haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xPiiRaTeD Players 18 posts 1,925 battles Report post #66 Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) I noticed a little mistake in your Formular: After 100 Gearingrounds i know the detection of this ship when fireing is around 9.4 km. This is because 5th Captain perk reduce the penalty by 10% as well, but only 5th Perk not the Modual/Camo. 5.9 + (3.9*0.9 ) = 9.41 and this is the number i see ingame when playing Gearing ( and other DDs it seem to work as well ) I hope you can confirm this. I use the order of operations outlined in this thread. "So now we know how are we getting spotted, but is there something we can do to make it harder? Well of course and it's even vital for the DDs. There is 1 captain's perk (concealment expertise as 5th skill) and 1 ship's upgrade in the last slot (Concealment system mod 1). They both provide -10% from the base detection range and they are multiplied. So how is our base 7km spotting distance from surface going to look like with the both bonuses? The formula is (base) *0.9*0.9. In our case 7*0.9*0.9 = 5.67km. If for example we open fire that penalty won't add to the 5.67km, it would be added to the base spotting range and will be lowered by the concealment bonuses. That means (7+4)*0.9* 0.9 = 8.91km instead of 9.67 (5.67+4)." I believe that you may not have factored in the camouflage -3% decrease in detection range. I can confirm with reasonable certainty that the chart is correct for my mahan. Edited February 28, 2016 by xPiiRaTeD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xPiiRaTeD Players 18 posts 1,925 battles Report post #67 Posted February 28, 2016 Hi all, The thread is updated-- to an extent. I've added the Anshan as the stats have been provided for me. However, I need the detectability range increase while firing for the Kamikaze R and the Lo Yang. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucobugno Players 4 posts 1,800 battles Report post #68 Posted March 3, 2016 Boring, i just keep to torps, thats what a DD is for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All_We_Need_Is_Love Players 6 posts 5,246 battles Report post #69 Posted March 7, 2016 Thank you very much! I got japanese DD, VIII (Fubuki) and I thought that is that (like... cruiser is a cruiser and similar). Tried Russian DD... man are they awesome or what!? Because of them this game feels like it got 5 main classes (not 4). Feeling, game play, set of skills is completly different then japanese DD and I adore it (currently at Gnevny, amazing ship!). Not to mention ez challenges / missions which this ship provided me (ez Myoko). And last but not least, its a farm machine like nothing else. Game would be pretty much impossible w/o cash which russian DD provides. Btw, I do play all classes and playing russian DD nails that (as I said, it feels like 5th class of ship). So once again, very helpful thread. Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eternus_Damnatio Players 866 posts 8,891 battles Report post #70 Posted March 14, 2016 Thank you very much! I got japanese DD, VIII (Fubuki) and I thought that is that (like... cruiser is a cruiser and similar). Tried Russian DD... man are they awesome or what!? Because of them this game feels like it got 5 main classes (not 4). Feeling, game play, set of skills is completly different then japanese DD and I adore it (currently at Gnevny, amazing ship!). Not to mention ez challenges / missions which this ship provided me (ez Myoko). And last but not least, its a farm machine like nothing else. Game would be pretty much impossible w/o cash which russian DD provides. Btw, I do play all classes and playing russian DD nails that (as I said, it feels like 5th class of ship). So once again, very helpful thread. Cheers! RU dd's are just so much fun to play. Shame you have the Ognevoi up next just grit your teeth and grind through it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STUG] Arisosis Players 20 posts 11,348 battles Report post #71 Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Think there is a mistake with the Udaloy have maxed out with captain skills AFT and CE but only have about 2km goldilocks zone Have 14.6 km range on main battery surface detection range is 6.8 km Still on A hull but it seems to be stealthier then B hull unless B hull will give me the option of getting me purchasing artillery plot room I cannot raise it to 5km as in the table (wiki says no such option for Udaloy) edited for adding detection range Mistake or do i something wrong? TY Edited April 28, 2016 by Arisosis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Msiiek Players 465 posts 5,330 battles Report post #72 Posted May 21, 2016 Błyskawica is wrong. Concealment while firing is 10km. Standard Błyskawica with camouflage is 7.5km surface and 11.1km while firing. With concealment expert im visible while firing when i get to 10km and the distance ticks to 9.9 im detected. Not at 9.7 km. 11.1 km detection is already after camouflage so 11.1*0.9=~10km is the right math not the 11.1*0.9*0.97=~9.7km. I'm 100% sure it is 10km not 9.7km as I have captain with concealment expert and camouflage on Błyskawica. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #73 Posted May 21, 2016 Błyskawica is wrong. Concealment while firing is 10km. Standard Błyskawica with camouflage is 7.5km surface and 11.1km while firing. With concealment expert im visible while firing when i get to 10km and the distance ticks to 9.9 im detected. Not at 9.7 km. 11.1 km detection is already after camouflage so 11.1*0.9=~10km is the right math not the 11.1*0.9*0.97=~9.7km. I'm 100% sure it is 10km not 9.7km as I have captain with concealment expert and camouflage on Błyskawica. Yes 10km is the detection range after firing when using camo and CE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P0RT] Admiral_H_Nelson Players 3,938 posts 23,206 battles Report post #74 Posted April 3, 2017 After patch 0.6.3 does this thread need to be pinned any more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIMI] MudMonkey Beta Tester 1,338 posts 8,356 battles Report post #75 Posted April 3, 2017 After patch 0.6.3 does this thread need to be pinned any more? Yes. It's like a tombstone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
