Wargaming isn't Wasting Any Resources with the Arpeggio Missions, so Might Want to Lay That to Rest

[Abriael]

I keep reading people lamenting that Wargaming should do this or that instead of wasting resources on "manga ships." 

 

Point is, Wargaming isn't wasting any resources. The Arpeggio content was made for the Japanese market in order to promote the game there, as they have done very effectively with World of Tanks and Girls Und Panzer. 

 

They're simply bringing the content over as a bonus. The content is already made, so no resources are being wasted. As a completely optional bonus, feel free to ignore it if you don't care. You've been given the means to completely phase it out and to still earn some goodies (free Xp, credits and consumable) in the process, so the whole complaint is absolutely meaningless.

 

There's plenty to complain about, like the moneygrubbing bundles and such. Do you really need to point the guns against what's basically a zero-cost gift?

[SBS]

I am sorry to say this, but you are not going to get through to those people. As sad as it may be. 

People really should spend  their energy on more important matters.

[Abriael]

I am sorry to say this, but you are not going to get through to those people. As sad as it may be. 

People really should spend  their energy on more important matters.

 

One can always try.

[Babykim]

In my option, the whole issue about "manga hate" is a minor one, so don't blow it out of proportion. It is OK for most people. Not nearly as bad as their bundling policy. Most people welcome opportunities to win stuff given reasonable requirements and time. And you are right, they are not wasting resources. It is just that people feel manga to be out of place in a game about historical ships (note I am careful not to call it a simulator, which it is not).

 

Would you like a client full of ponies, gnomes, dragons and Barbies? I wound not.

 

I would prefer client full of historical and technical information on the ships and the men who served in them. On naval battles and their global consequences.

[Abriael]

 

If the ponies, gomes, dragons and barbies were completely opt-in like the Arpeggio stuff, and they had no additional resource cost for the developer, like the Arpeggio stuff, I wouldn't care one bit. You want it. It's there. You don't, it's not. 

 

It's really that simple.

 

 

[Ishiro32]

Would you like a client full of ponies, gnomes, dragons and Barbies? I wound not.

 

Once again.

 

If ponies, gnomes and dragons were based on a WW2 warships then they would be fine here. Manga in question is based on warships and is passionate about them, even with their pseudo-sci-fi anime exterior.

 

 

Simple as that. If there would be other franchise for which WW2 ships with their historical hulls were so integral then any cross promotion would be fine. It is manga/anime which main draw were the ships and that's the reason why collaboration was made in the first place. WG wants asian anime fans, and Arpeggio wants for people who are interested in ships to watch their show and films, nothing more.

 

Anyway, I don't see any reason to create new topic just for complaining about people complaining.

[von_chom]

they are for sure "wasting" resources, however it is subject to debate how much is "wasted"  

instead of re-skinned kongo i would prefer realistic permanent camo (for gold ofc) on all ships, not that ugly Xmas alien camo on Cleveland etc....

[Kenliero]

 

If the ponies, gomes, dragons and barbies were completely opt-in like the Arpeggio stuff, and they had no additional resource cost for the developer, like the Arpeggio stuff, I wouldn't care one bit. You want it. It's there. You don't, it's not. 

 

It's really that simple.

 

 

I wish it was that simple, but to my understanding the only way of getting premium Kongo is to "use anime stuff". If premium Kongo would be available without this cartoon stuff, it would be completely different issue. Situation we have now is that "cartoon people" get free premium ship while "others" don't. 

[Sake78]

Meanwhile, Big Race map has wrong wind direction, if we look at waves and stopped ship flags. Wonder how long will it take to fix such a small issue, if Arpeggio isn`t pushing air for the sake of it. Solomon Islands too.

[Adwaenyth]

I wish it was that simple, but to my understanding the only way of getting premium Kongo is to "use anime stuff". If premium Kongo would be available without this cartoon stuff, it would be completely different issue. Situation we have now is that "cartoon people" get free premium ship while "others" don't. 

 

They are not free premium ships. They have no credit bonus and can only train ARP commanders. So they are special ships but not premium ships.

 

Besides the effort you have to put in to get either ship is about the same to get their normal counterparts by normally playing the game...

[bazzarac]

they are for sure "wasting" resources, however it is subject to debate how much is "wasted"  

instead of re-skinned kongo i would prefer realistic permanent camo (for gold ofc) on all ships, not that ugly Xmas alien camo on Cleveland etc....

 

No they are not wasting resources, allow me to introduce you to something called economics.

 

By the way if you want the formulas for what i am outlining here wikipedia will be able to sort you out, and i am lazy.

 

Now when you want to spend money as a company (once you get past selling lemonade in your parents front yard) you do a cost/benefit or risk assessment calculation, "I I do this, what is the expected outcome?".

So war gaming has made this assessment, we spend X amount of cash on developing this content, in order to increase the customer-base, and by increasing number of paying customers, we increase the income of the game. When the income of a game goes up, it justifies to a board of directors that more money can be spend on developing more content/polishing for this title, so indirectly "manga ships" are likely to feed the economics that will give us the Royal navy, or italian navy faster/at all.

 

Now i am not a fly on the wall in WG economy department, but i will bet good money that they have done 100s of these, some on hiring more devs, some on introducing new content faster, spending more/less money on commercials, holding press events, live streaming, the list goes on.

 

If it is true that this is a PR thing for Japan that we just happen to get for free, well can't really see the problem, if you don't like it, just turn it off.

 

Bazz

Masta Slacka

[VScratch87]

 

They are not free premium ships. They have no credit bonus and can only train ARP commanders. So they are special ships but not premium ships.

 

Besides the effort you have to put in to get either ship is about the same to get their normal counterparts by normally playing the game...

 

One guy said in-game that the Kongo earns credits like a premium... I guess he lied then. Whatever, I will suffer trough the constant fails called battles cuz I like the looks of those ships - most of all the cell shaded smoke. Notice that I have no clue about the anime itself XD 

[Panocek]

 

One guy said in-game that the Kongo earns credits like a premium... I guess he lied then. Whatever, I will suffer trough the constant fails called battles cuz I like the looks of those ships - most of all the cell shaded smoke. Notice that I have no clue about the anime itself XD 

 

I have both Kongos and I don't see income difference, on good battle both will net you some decent credits.

[VScratch87]

 

I have both Kongos and I don't see income difference, on good battle both will net you some decent credits.

 

Decent credits... I only dream about that  I just can't get a hang of this game. So at least I will have some nice neon coloured ships and gaze upon them XD Oh well... I do not plan to go any higher than T6 anyway and both the Omaha and Cleveland earned credits I thought "nice" so I am okay with normal income. 

[Panocek]

 

Decent credits... I only dream about that  I just can't get a hang of this game. So at least I will have some nice neon coloured ships and gaze upon them XD Oh well... I do not plan to go any higher than T6 anyway and both the Omaha and Cleveland earned credits I thought "nice" so I am okay with normal income. 

 

When brawling at close quarters without many BBs around, Cleveland can be quite an unfair plane too

 

With premium and credits flag tho

 

[AgarwaenME]

 

They are not free premium ships. They have no credit bonus and can only train ARP commanders. So they are special ships but not premium ships.

 

Besides the effort you have to put in to get either ship is about the same to get their normal counterparts by normally playing the game...

 

If by that you mean "just play the game". The requirement to get those ships is so low that playing fairly casually you'd struggle not getting them in the time they're available. 

[Adwaenyth]

 

If by that you mean "just play the game". The requirement to get those ships is so low that playing fairly casually you'd struggle not getting them in the time they're available. 

 

You need to have a T5 ship at least for Kongo - which itself is a T5 ship or a T6 ship for Myoko. But in both cases you need to play that ship enough so that you could also afford the respective ship anyways.

[Spellfire40]

I wish it was that simple, but to my understanding the only way of getting premium Kongo is to "use anime stuff". If premium Kongo would be available without this cartoon stuff, it would be completely different issue. Situation we have now is that "cartoon people" get free premium ship while "others" don't.

 

You could then also argue about Fujins perma haloween style camo being "unhistoric". The Missions give various benefits and basicalyy a free T5 BB and T7 CA on Top. If the single fact that you cant stand the camo is the reason not to use then i really dont know.... Thats how they offered if you dont like them dont play them but for god sake stop complaining that you dont get them.

So skin mods work on them? If yes im sure someone will come up with one.

Edit: Turning of Ionas voice might be a bit different. Would have like Kongos Voice anyway over it. Whats the point of geting the diferent Kongo comanders if there is no Haru Haru?

[Babykim]

 

No they are not wasting resources, allow me to introduce you to something called economics.

 

By the way if you want the formulas for what i am outlining here wikipedia will be able to sort you out, and i am lazy.

 

Now when you want to spend money as a company (once you get past selling lemonade in your parents front yard) you do a cost/benefit or risk assessment calculation, "I I do this, what is the expected outcome?".

So war gaming has made this assessment, we spend X amount of cash on developing this content, in order to increase the customer-base, and by increasing number of paying customers, we increase the income of the game. When the income of a game goes up, it justifies to a board of directors that more money can be spend on developing more content/polishing for this title, so indirectly "manga ships" are likely to feed the economics that will give us the Royal navy, or italian navy faster/at all.

 

Now i am not a fly on the wall in WG economy department, but i will bet good money that they have done 100s of these, some on hiring more devs, some on introducing new content faster, spending more/less money on commercials, holding press events, live streaming, the list goes on.

 

If it is true that this is a PR thing for Japan that we just happen to get for free, well can't really see the problem, if you don't like it, just turn it off.

 

Bazz

Masta Slacka

 

Can you be sure that they will not lose customers because of Arpeggio, so that the net intake becomes negligible? I am not so sure. With so many people fed up with other things in this game (bundles, lack of decent content), this may well be the last drop for some. I hope not, of course, but the decline in server popualtion is still worrisome.

 

[Adwaenyth]

 

Can you be sure that they will not lose customers because of Arpeggio, so that the net intake becomes negligible? I am not so sure. With so many people fed up with other things in this game (bundles, lack of decent content), this may well be the last drop for some. I hope not, of course, but the decline in server popualtion is still worrisome.

 

 

Depends... lose 10000 customers in Europe gain 100000 customers in Asia is a net gain I'd say... considering how many people actually live in Asia, you should better brace yourself for more of that stuff incoming... besides there is a certain amount of people in Europe that also likes Manga/Anime content.

[Panocek]

 

Depends... lose 10000 customers in Europe gain 100000 customers in Asia is a net gain I'd say... considering how many people actually live in Asia, you should better brace yourself for more of that stuff incoming... besides there is a certain amount of people in Europe that also likes Manga/Anime content.

 

Weren't Arpreggio stuff confirmed to be "permanent" addition anyway?

[bazzarac]

 

Can you be sure that they will not lose customers because of Arpeggio, so that the net intake becomes negligible? I am not so sure. With so many people fed up with other things in this game (bundles, lack of decent content), this may well be the last drop for some. I hope not, of course, but the decline in server popualtion is still worrisome.

 

 

I can't be sure, it is not my evaluation, i don't have access to WGs marketing data, and economic data.

But for the sake of my argument, you can with trivial effort:

 

Mod away the voices, and mod the harbor to look like something else, mod the ships to look like regular ships, or turn the whole thing off.

 

If these things are above your effort threshold, i can't imagine you are spending any money on the game, or grinding any ships. and as such you are not adding to WG economy or to the playermass needed to keep people in the game and que times down for the paying customer.

 

This would make your argument academical, because well then you are not a customer so why would WG care?

 

So your argument just ran into a catch 22, either the fictional person that is outraged about anime themed ships will

A) fix it in about 5 mins himself or.

B) stop playing, but since he couldn't be bothered to spend 5 mins to fix it, it is likely he wasn't playing much in the first place, and most likely wasn't paying for anything

 

Bazz

Masta Slacka

[TheJezna]

 

No they are not wasting resources, allow me to introduce you to something called economics.

 

By the way if you want the formulas for what i am outlining here wikipedia will be able to sort you out, and i am lazy.

 

Now when you want to spend money as a company (once you get past selling lemonade in your parents front yard) you do a cost/benefit or risk assessment calculation, "I I do this, what is the expected outcome?".

So war gaming has made this assessment, we spend X amount of cash on developing this content, in order to increase the customer-base, and by increasing number of paying customers, we increase the income of the game. When the income of a game goes up, it justifies to a board of directors that more money can be spend on developing more content/polishing for this title, so indirectly "manga ships" are likely to feed the economics that will give us the Royal navy, or italian navy faster/at all.

 

Now i am not a fly on the wall in WG economy department, but i will bet good money that they have done 100s of these, some on hiring more devs, some on introducing new content faster, spending more/less money on commercials, holding press events, live streaming, the list goes on.

 

If it is true that this is a PR thing for Japan that we just happen to get for free, well can't really see the problem, if you don't like it, just turn it off.

 

Bazz

Masta Slacka

 

Of course they assessed the cost vs benefits, like with everything else. However, WG, just like any other company, doesn't have the ability to peak into the future and know for certain what the effects of a business decision will be, meaning in short that any assessment and calculation regarding an investment is a more or less qualified guess, which may or may not turn out to be correct. What people are arguing is that they disagree with the business decision to spend resources on this project and that other options for resource utilization would be better for the game and as such for revenue. Neither side of the argument yet knows the final outcome of this, so it's all just specualtion, you can't, however say with certainty today that it was a neutral or profitable investment, that is yet to be known, and likely we will never get to know the full details of the outcome, especially not if it didn't work out.

[Hauptbahnhof]

 

If the ponies, gomes, dragons and barbies were completely opt-in like the Arpeggio stuff, and they had no additional resource cost for the developer, like the Arpeggio stuff, I wouldn't care one bit. You want it. It's there. You don't, it's not. 

 

And if the Arpeggio stuff was completely opt-in it would be fine... But it's not ( even if WG promised it would be )...

[Adwaenyth]

 

And if the Arpeggio stuff was completely opt-in it would be fine... But it's not ( even if WG promised it would be )...

 

How is it not opt-in?! Do you complain about the fact that you can still do the missions?