Izumo Grind

[SchwarzAdler]

Hello everyone fellow commanders.

 

I would like to write here to ask a few questions to those more experienced than me. At the time, among other lines, I am sailing a lot on my Amagi, which I find a definitely amazing Battlecruiser.

 

I got Hull B installed and even if I researched the C, I am trying to save up money to get the Izumo and, eventually, the Yamato.

 

My questions are:

 

I - Is it worth it to struggle trough Izumo to get the Yamato (I have heard terrible things about her, even if I read she was buffed a bit) ?

II - Is the Yamato really that powerful and fun to play (and not just a repair money sinkhole)?

III - Should I sell my Amagi to raise some more credits or it would be a bad idea since it's an amazing ship? (Keep in mind I loved the Nagato but I am loving the Amagi even more, it's a citadel fest.)

IV - Should I further upgrade my Amagi (which means Engines, Firing System and Hull C, which I could get at once but as I said I am saving up for Izumo) ? Would it substantially improve the ship?

 

I thank very much everyone kind enough to give me some advice!

 

Adler

[waxx25]

Yamato is worth the grind mate.

[SchwarzAdler]

Yamato is worth the grind mate.

 

Should I invest more on the Amagi and keep her? Or just get rid of her to get some more money?

[Reyte]

Defintely worth the grind if u are a battleship driver, a friend of mine was able to get a 418k damage game so is definetly a strong vessel....but its not impregnable and feels very useless if encounter many  t9-10 dds. If u specc the AA it becomes an AA fotress close to montana. The Repair of the Yamato is extremly good.

 

The izumo was a harsh grind, i can only recommend that u either isntantly get the B hull or C hull. Izumo is somehat accurate and can stand its ground vs iowa and montana unless u exposs the side of theship. THe biggest problem of the ship is that is abysmal AA, sometimes i got killed by t7 CV when i played Izumo. The ships is also pretty much always spotted and manouvers rather bad.

 

The Amagi is still the highlight for me in the Techtree, u should keep her for ranked

 

 

[SchwarzAdler]

Defintely worth the grind if u are a battleship driver, a friend of mine was able to get a 418k damage game so is definetly a strong vessel....but its not impregnable and feels very useless if encounter many  t9-10 dds. If u specc the AA it becomes an AA fotress close to montana. The Repair of the Yamato is extremly good.

 

The izumo was a harsh grind, i can only recommend that u either isntantly get the B hull or C hull. Izumo is somehat accurate and can stand its ground vs iowa and montana unless u exposs the side of theship. THe biggest problem of the ship is that is abysmal AA, sometimes i got killed by t7 CV when i played Izumo. The ships is also pretty much always spotted and manouvers rather bad.

 

The Amagi is still the highlight for me in the Techtree, u should keep her for ranked

 

 

I guess I will try to keep her then.

 

The main problem will be getting the 104k free xp to rush to Izumo Hull C and, of course, the money. I do have the Murmansk at least, always thought she is pretty solid to rack up some credits.

 

My commander is strongly oriented towards improved secondaries and AA, I do love to see the devastation IJN BBs can bring about with their secondaries... Sadly enough they are pretty weak and short ranged on Amagi, hope Izumo's at least would be better at around 9,6km Yamato's will be great, I am sure of it

[Tyrendian89]

 

Should I invest more on the Amagi and keep her? Or just get rid of her to get some more money?

 

definitely invest in fully upgrading your Amagi though; 18km range on a T8 battleship is just hopelessly annoying I found, especially since most of the serious competition is as fast as you, or faster in case of the Iowa.

[Reyte]

I guess I will try to keep her then.

 

The main problem will be getting the 104k free xp to rush to Izumo Hull C and, of course, the money. I do have the Murmansk at least, always thought she is pretty solid to rack up some credits.

 

My commander is strongly oriented towards improved secondaries and AA, I do love to see the devastation IJN BBs can bring about with their secondaries... Sadly enough they are pretty weak and short ranged on Amagi, hope Izumo's at least would be better at around 9,6km Yamato's will be great, I am sure of it

 

I really like secondaries, but they are pretty much useless. Unless the secondaries would be more accurate, there is not much of a reason to upgrade them beyond the stanard range. i went with more accuracy, maybe i would go for more AA range+ AA dps now, but izumo is rather weak to begin with. I am not sure. Atleast my Yamato is fully AA equipped.

[IamTroublemaker]

1) Dont listen to some forum whiners, every normal player will tell you that Izumo (with 2nd or last hull) is a really good and strong ship.

 

2) All I'm gonna say is that for me, after unlocking and playing Yamato, all the other ships are just somebody that i used to know.

 

3) I recommend keeping it if you like the ship and plan to play Ranked.

 

4) I played it and finished the grind without last hull and fcs, while the upgraded propulsion is a good thing on that ship.

 

Izumo itself is crap when stock. Has bad penetration and turns really slow, but with upgraded hull (2nd) it gets better penetration and AA (secondaries as well) and with the 3rd hull you get better AA and rudder shift time. What I did was skip the first hull and just go for the last in order to save credits (first is 4 mil and second is 5 mil if i recall correctly). It took me a few battles ro get used to the ship due to its turrets, but you will find out it is a really strong T9 and most of the bad stuff you've read are not true + you get to play the Yamato after it. Also it has around 30 sec turret traverse with captain skills which is just amazing for a BB.

 

 

I hope I helped and sorry for grammar mistakes (typing on my phone)

[SchwarzAdler]

 

I really like secondaries, but they are pretty much useless. Unless the secondaries would be more accurate, there is not much of a reason to upgrade them beyond the stanard range. i went with more accuracy, maybe i would go for more AA range+ AA dps now, but izumo is rather weak to begin with. I am not sure. Atleast my Yamato is fully AA equipped.

 

To be honest secondaries gave me the edge in many bb vs bb fights. Now, Amagi has bad secondary range and this makes secondary almost useful against a Tirpitz, since after 6km they will try to torp  you to death. Still, it is nice to see how well they can burn

 

1) Dont listen to some forum whiners, every normal player will tell you that Izumo (with 2nd or last hull) is a really good and strong ship.

 

2) All I'm gonna say is that for me, after unlocking and playing Yamato, all the other ships are just somebody that i used to know.

 

3) I recommend keeping it if you like the ship and plan to play Ranked.

 

4) I played it and finished the grind without last hull and fcs, while the upgraded propulsion is a good thing on that ship.

 

Izumo itself is crap when stock. Has bad penetration and turns really slow, but with upgraded hull (2nd) it gets better penetration and AA (secondaries as well) and with the 3rd hull you get better AA and rudder shift time. What I did was skip the first hull and just go for the last in order to save credits (first is 4 mil and second is 5 mil if i recall correctly). It took me a few battles ro get used to the ship due to its turrets, but you will find out it is a really strong T9 and most of the bad stuff you've read are not true + you get to play the Yamato after it. Also it has around 30 sec turret traverse with captain skills which is just amazing for a BB.

 

 

I hope I helped and sorry for grammar mistakes (typing on my phone)

 

Hvala za sve. I understood perfectly what you meant, I hope it will not be that bad. I think I may need to have some stock fights with flags to earn a bit more exp because there is no way I can rack up 104k free exp and directly buy second hull... I guess it is that kind of battleship where you do not have to be afraid to reverse and show only the Bow, 6 guns out of 9 always firing plus the impossibility for them to citadel you sounds pretty amazing

 

What are you favourite ways to make muneyz? As I said, with Murmansk I feel pretty good, but I may be missing something.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

To be honest secondaries gave me the edge in many bb vs bb fights. Now, Amagi has bad secondary range and this makes secondary almost useful against a Tirpitz, since after 6km they will try to torp  you to death. Still, it is nice to see how well they can burn

 

 

Hvala za sve. I understood perfectly what you meant, I hope it will not be that bad. I think I may need to have some stock fights with flags to earn a bit more exp because there is no way I can rack up 104k free exp and directly buy second hull... I guess it is that kind of battleship where you do not have to be afraid to reverse and show only the Bow, 6 guns out of 9 always firing plus the impossibility for them to citadel you sounds pretty amazing

 

What are you favourite ways to make muneyz? As I said, with Murmansk I feel pretty good, but I may be missing something.

 

 

You can still get citadelled from the front like every BB, but it rarely happens and by Yamatos in most cases.

 

Basically yeah, similar to Iowa in that way. Use mostly the 6 frontal guns and show only your "nose" to them.

Also the gun disperion is quite good and often you will have a few shells flying into the same spot.

 

 

Well, for me it is the Tirpitz (got it recently) , but Murmansk is one of the best choices since it has low repair cost.

 

 

 

[Tyrendian89]

stock Izumo is a royal pain in my experience because you basically have guns that would be bad at T7 (since they're worse than stock Nagato and only marginally better than stock Colo because of a bit more accuracy), but you are T9. That makes it very frustrating to play - I pretty much know I won't be able to to a lot to BBs unless they eff up real bad. But, even on stock, you can feel the strengths of the Izumo pretty well - mainly, face tanking multiple non-Yamatos for ages without giving much of a care at all. Had a game with an Iowa, Amagi and Tirpitz all shooting me for like 10mins and lost a total of 20k health to them because they didn't switch to HE. And even on stock, your Secondaries are nothing to sneeze at with their 10km+ range (they do seem to be extremely fragile though; first time I really noticed that on any ship but one salvo killed all my 127mm turrets on one flank, which kinda stunk). So I'm really looking forward to getting some actual main battery punch with the hull upgrade probably today, and here's hoping that upgrade also fixes the dispersion's tendency to completely and repeatedly troll me.

[B010011A]

Hello everyone fellow commanders.

 

I would like to write here to ask a few questions to those more experienced than me. At the time, among other lines, I am sailing a lot on my Amagi, which I find a definitely amazing Battlecruiser.

 

I got Hull B installed and even if I researched the C, I am trying to save up money to get the Izumo and, eventually, the Yamato.

 

My questions are:

 

I - Is it worth it to struggle trough Izumo to get the Yamato (I have heard terrible things about her, even if I read she was buffed a bit) ?

II - Is the Yamato really that powerful and fun to play (and not just a repair money sinkhole)?

III - Should I sell my Amagi to raise some more credits or it would be a bad idea since it's an amazing ship? (Keep in mind I loved the Nagato but I am loving the Amagi even more, it's a citadel fest.)

IV - Should I further upgrade my Amagi (which means Engines, Firing System and Hull C, which I could get at once but as I said I am saving up for Izumo) ? Would it substantially improve the ship?

 

I thank very much everyone kind enough to give me some advice!

 

Adler

First of all, do never sell your precious Amagi and upgrade it at maximum then use it for ranked as I am doing atm.

Second, be patient and grind for Izumo, I have her and she is a good ship, but in the good hands. I have only upgraded on C hull, Izumo got better but the dispersion is still sort of bad compared to Amagi. I have to upgrade her all to see if that changes.

My comparison between Amagi and Izumo is that I have a more solid gameplay with Amagi since I learnt how to play her properly in ranked, with Izumo I am struggling and praying to RNGeezus not to do perfect circles with my shells around the ships but im not dissapointed. I like the challenge to learn how to play new ships and how to get better even with that "piece o' cra p" as some ppl say.

Last suggestion, dont sell your ships unless you're using them like for 5% or less. 

 

P.D.: to add something really possitive for Izumo, its really a stronger ship than Amagi because takes damage better since it has more Hull Points and regeneration of hull is better.

You can play more agressively and you should play it like a North Carolina, using almost all the time the 2 front guns cause if you show broadside you're easly killable.

What improves accuracy on her is when you fire your 3 guns at the same time. Thats my impression.

 

I hope I helped you with my words.

[El_Pollo_Locooo]

I actually find Izumo's guns very precise. I love this bb, I'm doing pretty well in it.

[44smok]

Izumo OP please don't shoot.

[B010011A]

Izumo OP please don't shoot.

 

If you'll post such a stupid statement, just think twice and don't post because you're not helping over here ;).

[SchwarzAdler]

First of all, do never sell your precious Amagi and upgrade it at maximum then use it for ranked as I am doing atm.

Second, be patient and grind for Izumo, I have her and she is a good ship, but in the good hands. I have only upgraded on C hull, Izumo got better but the dispersion is still sort of bad compared to Amagi. I have to upgrade her all to see if that changes.

My comparison between Amagi and Izumo is that I have a more solid gameplay with Amagi since I learnt how to play her properly in ranked, with Izumo I am struggling and praying to RNGeezus not to do perfect circles with my shells around the ships but im not dissapointed. I like the challenge to learn how to play new ships and how to get better even with that "piece o' cra p" as some ppl say.

Last suggestion, dont sell your ships unless you're using them like for 5% or less. 

 

P.D.: to add something really possitive for Izumo, its really a stronger ship than Amagi because takes damage better since it has more Hull Points and regeneration of hull is better.

You can play more agressively and you should play it like a North Carolina, using almost all the time the 2 front guns cause if you show broadside you're easly killable.

What improves accuracy on her is when you fire your 3 guns at the same time. Thats my impression.

 

I hope I helped you with my words.

 

Yes, actually very useful. I love ranked and had great fun with Nagato. But when is the next season gonna start?

 

With Amagi, even if not fully upgraded, I am having the best stats with any BB I played yet!

 

I have 66% win rate, 55k average damage (I know it is not too good, but working on it ;) In a good game it will be over 100k, in a bad one around 30k), 1.3 kills per match on average and 1350 xp per match... So it is rather average but for me not so bad... I will se if after upgrading will get even better!

 

Maybe in spring I will get to the Yamato ahah, because I will brutally need credits

[44smok]

It's not stupid. Izumo is a very strong ship. Unless it's being shot at. Not getting shot at is the best tactics for Izumo skipper.

[B010011A]

 

Yes, actually very useful. I love ranked and had great fun with Nagato. But when is the next season gonna start?

 

With Amagi, even if not fully upgraded, I am having the best stats with any BB I played yet!

 

I have 66% win rate, 55k average damage (I know it is not too good, but working on it ;) In a good game it will be over 100k, in a bad one around 30k), 1.3 kills per match on average and 1350 xp per match... So it is rather average but for me not so bad... I will se if after upgrading will get even better!

 

Maybe in spring I will get to the Yamato ahah, because I will brutally need credits

It gets better, i logged in for a game and saw that ranked battles start in 14hours. Before getting any tier10 ( like yamato) i prefer grinding for North Carolina atm. Im getting the credits to buy Lolorado and then get the NC! 

 

Enjoy your Amagi at max in ranked! 

[XTHD]

I. Izumo is only a struggle when stock. Upgrade the hull asap, but don't necessarily bother with range and engine (they give very little). After that it is a very solid tier IX.

II. Yamato kicks [edited]until you are in a game against 3-4 Shimakaze, then you suffer.

III. Don't sell Amagi if you plan on playing tier VIII at all. It is best in tier and best for ranked as well, if you like battleships. It also looks very good in your port.

IV. Pimp Amagi to the max, range is good since it has short-ish range to begin with, and speed is important because it gives an edge over other BBs.

[SchwarzAdler]

I. Izumo is only a struggle when stock. Upgrade the hull asap, but don't necessarily bother with range and engine (they give very little). After that it is a very solid tier IX.

II. Yamato kicks [edited]until you are in a game against 3-4 Shimakaze, then you suffer.

III. Don't sell Amagi if you plan on playing tier VIII at all. It is best in tier and best for ranked as well, if you like battleships. It also looks very good in your port.

IV. Pimp Amagi to the max, range is good since it has short-ish range to begin with, and speed is important because it gives an edge over other BBs.

 

I upgraded her completely. I think maybe I could have spare the 2.3m necessary for Hull C because lately CVs are so unfrequent to be met (even less in Ranked) I am not really sure I will ever need that extra AA.

Would you say that when fully upgraded the AA is better than the NC's one? Because according to the number it is, I have like 67 with the extra range given by the commander.

 

So if I keep her I will need a brand new commander... or would I be able to say retrain this for Izumo than go back to Amagi without penalty when I want to play some Ranked?

 

Anyway thank you very much for the help and the answers, this is a really nice community to be part of ;)

[IamTroublemaker]

 

I upgraded her completely. I think maybe I could have spare the 2.3m necessary for Hull C because lately CVs are so unfrequent to be met (even less in Ranked) I am not really sure I will ever need that extra AA.

Would you say that when fully upgraded the AA is better than the NC's one? Because according to the number it is, I have like 67 with the extra range given by the commander.

 

So if I keep her I will need a brand new commander... or would I be able to say retrain this for Izumo than go back to Amagi without penalty when I want to play some Ranked?

 

Anyway thank you very much for the help and the answers, this is a really nice community to be part of ;)

 

If I recall correctly NC has like 90 rating with AA captain skills (and equipment), but you should not pay too much attention to ratings, but the AA range and DPS.

 

If you retrain your Amagi captain for Izumo, you won't be able to bring it back to Amagi without any penalty unfortunately. If you have a premium IJN ship I suggest you start training a new captain for Amagi

[XTHD]

 

I upgraded her completely. I think maybe I could have spare the 2.3m necessary for Hull C because lately CVs are so unfrequent to be met (even less in Ranked) I am not really sure I will ever need that extra AA.

Would you say that when fully upgraded the AA is better than the NC's one? Because according to the number it is, I have like 67 with the extra range given by the commander.

 

So if I keep her I will need a brand new commander... or would I be able to say retrain this for Izumo than go back to Amagi without penalty when I want to play some Ranked?

 

Anyway thank you very much for the help and the answers, this is a really nice community to be part of ;)

 

I'll answer what the above poster hasn't:

 

Amagi C is worth it for the range upgrade, also my in-game info tells me that it improves rudder shift. So I'd say go for it. Definitely worth it for ranked, because the map pool contains some large maps.

 

AA is better on the NC, but with C hull Amagi can shrug off most attacks by tier 8 CVs easily as long as you take evasive action.

 

I'd recommend training a new commander for Amagi and keep current on Izumo if you are going for Yamato, because you'd want that to have your best commander. However, training a new BB captain is relatively quick, all you need is Basics of survivability, Expert marksman and Superintendent for it to be playable.

[Exozen]

 

I - Is it worth it to struggle trough Izumo to get the Yamato (I have heard terrible things about her, even if I read she was buffed a bit): The Yamato is more or less the best tier 10 currently in the game, and also the most fun battleship i've played, that and the Fuso ofc !

II - Is the Yamato really that powerful and fun to play (and not just a repair money sinkhole) No , the avarage damage you put out negleckts the bad repair costs ( Most of the time ), i had 3 games with over 240k dmg yesterday i mine and that gave me more credits then any normal game with the Tirpithz. 

III - Should I sell my Amagi to raise some more credits or it would be a bad idea since it's an amazing ship? (Keep in mind I loved the Nagato but I am loving the Amagi even more, it's a citadel fest.)Amagi is not an amazing ship , in fact its worse then the PREMIUM Tirpithz, and can't compete with the North Carolina either for that sake. Its not bad , its just not a keeper in my book. 

IV - Should I further upgrade my Amagi (which means Engines, Firing System and Hull C, which I could get at once but as I said I am saving up for Izumo) ? Would it substantially improve the ship? If you like the ship do it , The Amagi is only playible fully upgraded if you ask me , i couldn't stand it stock its really bad. If you doubt the ship then fast grind the Izumo and get on with it. ( PS , alot of people say the Izumo is garbage , but it isn't really , its and OK ship and really fun to play once you get the hang with the angles the ship recuires , so if you read anyting about the ship dont be afraid , the majority of people complaining about the ship is fu**[edited]with 35% winrate and 20k avarage damage. 

 

 

 

[XTHD]

Amagi is not an amazing ship , in fact its worse then the PREMIUM Tirpithz, and can't compete with the North Carolina either for that sake. Its not bad , its just not a keeper in my book.

 

What the hell are you smoking, Amagi is easily the best tier 8 BB, and probably the most influential tier 8 ship, especially in ranked. If you think it's bad, you aren't doing it right. Protip: angle armor a lot.

[Exozen]

 

What the hell are you smoking, Amagi is easily the best tier 8 BB, and probably the most influential tier 8 ship, especially in ranked. If you think it's bad, you aren't doing it right. Protip: angle armor a lot.

 

I have my version of the ship and you have yours, and no its not the best of the 3 , it doesnt even compete for the 2nd place...