AnimalMuppet Players 3 posts 735 battles Report post #1 Posted December 31, 2015 I just don't get it. It was a lost game. Every time I division with my friend we are punished for that, this time it did't apply for enemy. Anyone ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEOND] Foehamster419 Players 144 posts 5,246 battles Report post #2 Posted December 31, 2015 Record this for 100 matches, with a high server population, maybe even 1000. Make sure you record it for every single time it happens to the other team as well. At the moment, all I see is unlucky x 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnimalMuppet Players 3 posts 735 battles Report post #3 Posted December 31, 2015 I dont want RNG to decide about my win rate. I want my skill to be THE factor. Happy New Year btw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #4 Posted December 31, 2015 I dont want RNG to decide about my win rate. I want my skill to be THE factor. Happy New Year btw exact same. I havent seen a tier IV match in my minekaze quite litterally ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #5 Posted December 31, 2015 That's not bad for your division. Any battleship can wreck your Omaha and Murmansk and your ships can take on the enemy cruisers and DDs easily. The Kongos have a challenge but as long as they are escorted by cruisers they had the speed advantage over the Colorados. The slow enemy BBs are a problem for the enemy. You have to - as a team - work out how to exploit those weaknesses. Oh and the Pensacola can wreck Koenigsberg aswell. This isn't terrible MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ORKAN] ___HADES____ [ORKAN] Beta Tester 495 posts 16,664 battles Report post #6 Posted December 31, 2015 6 DD TO 3 DD No possibility of winning http://zapodaj.net/39ceab19a6980.png.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[B-T] ArcheonSRF Players 92 posts 4,802 battles Report post #7 Posted December 31, 2015 That is a little unfortunate, but far from the worst I have seen MM come up with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnimalMuppet Players 3 posts 735 battles Report post #8 Posted December 31, 2015 That's not bad for your division. Any battleship can wreck your Omaha and Murmansk and your ships can take on the enemy cruisers and DDs easily. The Kongos have a challenge but as long as they are escorted by cruisers they had the speed advantage over the Colorados. The slow enemy BBs are a problem for the enemy. You have to - as a team - work out how to exploit those weaknesses. Oh and the Pensacola can wreck Koenigsberg aswell. This isn't terrible MM. The point here is not about ships. Like I said WoW's is preatty much about RNG already. To get to tier 5 is easy to get to tier 7 is not. It requires ALOT of games witch translates to experienced players. Like you poited out ''as long as tey are escored'' quess how I died I ate torpedos for like 40k dmg. Why ? Because I wasn't escorted Why ? because we had tier 5 players (read not experienced). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #9 Posted December 31, 2015 The point here is not about ships. Like I said WoW's is preatty much about RNG already. To get to tier 5 is easy to get to tier 7 is not. It requires ALOT of games witch translates to experienced players. Like you poited out ''as long as tey are escored'' quess how I died I ate torpedos for like 40k dmg. Why ? Because I wasn't escorted Why ? because we had tier 5 players (read not experienced). Can be a problem. If tier always correlates with experience - which it probably does a lot of the time. The only way to mitigate is to try *desperately* to organise the team if YOU know what you're doing. Can work, sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zathras_Grimm Players 1,438 posts Report post #10 Posted December 31, 2015 6 DD TO 3 DD No possibility of winning http://zapodaj.net/39ceab19a6980.png.html You would think so but I've been in a team that did win! Funny as I was the one saying we were in trouble at the beginning lol. Anyway I too wish for ship balance in games along with a skill orientated win scenario, maybe like the football leagues: Premier and divisions, wouldn't care if I was in 4th Division, as long as I know that I had a chance of improving. Not a 'you've won 10 so you must now lose 10'. If I lose a game don't leave me wondering if they had more skill or it was just the MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #11 Posted December 31, 2015 I just don't get it. It was a lost game. Every time I division with my friend we are punished for that, this time it did't apply for enemy. Anyone ? that MM is not bad and since Kongo>Pensacola and your team got the higher tier CA and DD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #12 Posted December 31, 2015 Good player seeing that matchup - "Ok, how are we winning this?" Bad player seeing that matchup - "OMG WE ALREADY LOST OMG!!" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsRockAndRoll Players 720 posts 9,732 battles Report post #13 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Good player seeing that matchup - "Ok, how are we winning this?" Bad player seeing that matchup - "OMG WE ALREADY LOST OMG!!" #off topic: Which is why we don't want xvm in WoW. The "omg we already lost" players just go afk as in WoT. Putting your team at even more of a disadvantage. #on topic : The match maker can only form teams from the selection it has online to choose from. I do see some 'bad' match making myself. But it is usually when the server population is low. Edited December 31, 2015 by LetsRockAndRoll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #14 Posted December 31, 2015 #off topic: Which is why we don't want xvm in WoW. The "omg we already lost" players just go afk as in WoT. Putting your team at even more of a disadvantage. #on topic : The match maker can only form teams from the selection it has online to choose from. I do see some 'bad' match making myself. But it is usually when the server population is low. And it's the WoT attitude that's the problem, not just the whole "giving up before it's even started" thing. But that they don't get how this IS NOT WOT. Where a lower tier (or even worse stock) tank can easily find itself nearly totally unable to cause problems for an enemy, this just isn't the case here. In pretty much every possible BB vs BB matchup you will be able to citadel your opponent and the same applies across the board nearly the same (CV issues aside). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsRockAndRoll Players 720 posts 9,732 battles Report post #15 Posted December 31, 2015 And it's the WoT attitude that's the problem, not just the whole "giving up before it's even started" thing. But that they don't get how this IS NOT WOT. Where a lower tier (or even worse stock) tank can easily find itself nearly totally unable to cause problems for an enemy, this just isn't the case here. In pretty much every possible BB vs BB matchup you will be able to citadel your opponent and the same applies across the board nearly the same (CV issues aside). Very true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruisertoni Players 9 posts 3,250 battles Report post #16 Posted January 1, 2016 The MM must be fixed, in every single match now there is a difference of 2 tiers and sometimes more. this the afternoon i was watching a streaming who was supposed to be between tier 8, so a lot of Tirpiz, Amagi,Mogami etc.......and a phoenix and a tier 3 destroyer, so WTF? Ok good players can sink a Yamato in a kayak with bow and arrows, but in a match between average players 2 tiers in every single match it's too much.Before the last patch the matchmaking was between the same tier or 1 tier of difference, only in tier 10 battles i've seen some tier 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoyalColor Players 385 posts 3,363 battles Report post #17 Posted January 1, 2016 It's quite noticable that MM is off recently, might be due to larger player population caused by events and ppl having more time during holidays. Hope it goes back to normal after holiday brake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsRockAndRoll Players 720 posts 9,732 battles Report post #18 Posted January 1, 2016 The MM must be fixed, in every single match now there is a difference of 2 tiers and sometimes more. this the afternoon i was watching a streaming who was supposed to be between tier 8, so a lot of Tirpiz, Amagi,Mogami etc.......and a phoenix and a tier 3 destroyer, so WTF? Ok good players can sink a Yamato in a kayak with bow and arrows, but in a match between average players 2 tiers in every single match it's too much.Before the last patch the matchmaking was between the same tier or 1 tier of difference, only in tier 10 battles i've seen some tier 8. This sort of thing is caused by 'players' who form a division with a very low tier ship and a much higher tier ship creating what is commonly called a 'fail division'. Some do it unwittingly others do it on purpose. The outcome is a team that is at a severe disadvantage from the moment the countdown reaches zero. I can't see it being much of a problem for the devs to prevent such divisions being formed. But I don't think it will be very high on their list of priorities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syrchalis Players 1,401 posts 3,820 battles Report post #19 Posted January 1, 2016 Come on. Beat this. 15.12.2015 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEOND] Foehamster419 Players 144 posts 5,246 battles Report post #20 Posted January 1, 2016 Just don't play Tier 11 and 4.30am =x Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM] ghostbuster_ Players 4,996 posts 21,881 battles Report post #21 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) You would think so but I've been in a team that did win! Funny as I was the one saying we were in trouble at the beginning lol. Anyway I too wish for ship balance in games along with a skill orientated win scenario, maybe like the football leagues: Premier and divisions, wouldn't care if I was in 4th Division, as long as I know that I had a chance of improving. Not a 'you've won 10 so you must now lose 10'. If I lose a game don't leave me wondering if they had more skill or it was just the MM. Was that a tier 10 battle? because in low tier battles CAs are capable to handle with DDs. But at high tiers it is not that easy. It is the thing that you cant understand. low tier battles and high tier battles are not the same. Edited January 1, 2016 by ghostbuster_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyFara Players 1,091 posts 2,423 battles Report post #22 Posted January 1, 2016 The MM must be fixed, in every single match now there is a difference of 2 tiers and sometimes more. this the afternoon i was watching a streaming who was supposed to be between tier 8, so a lot of Tirpiz, Amagi,Mogami etc.......and a phoenix and a tier 3 destroyer, so WTF? [..]Before the last patch the matchmaking was between the same tier or 1 tier of difference, only in tier 10 battles i've seen some tier 8. I was in a match with my Benson and my friend in a Hatsuharu, The enemy had a team with a tier 7 BB and a Clemson. We called it a fail division and laughed at the enemy. We shouldn't have laughed so soon. My mates Hatsuharu was taken out quite quickly because of the Clemson. Not that the Clemson commander was any good or my mate was bad. But because the Clemson managed to reveal my mates position to the enemy cruisers while being undetected himself. He managed to get 2 other of our DDs taken out that way as well before the Clemson was found and sunk himself. Quite impressive. But yeah, for any class other then DD it would be impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zathras_Grimm Players 1,438 posts Report post #23 Posted January 1, 2016 Was that a tier 10 battle? because in low tier battles CAs are capable to handle with DDs. But at high tiers it is not that easy. It is the thing that you cant understand. low tier battles and high tier battles are not the same. No it wasn't (it was a Tier V-VII) but then again I prefer to look at the 'positive attitude' posts in this thread that individuals like AgarwaenME and LetsRockAndRoll post. In fact where many people have stated they would prefer a more balanced battle (as I do in the same post) they also battle hard and take a positive approach and win when it isn't (high Tier or low). Maybe something you do not understand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM] ghostbuster_ Players 4,996 posts 21,881 battles Report post #24 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) No it wasn't (it was a Tier V-VII) but then again I prefer to look at the 'positive attitude' posts that individuals like AgarwaenME and LetsRockAndRoll post. In fact where many people have stated they would prefer a more balanced battle (as I do in the same post) they also battle hard and take a positive approach and win when it isn't (high Tier or Low). Maybe something you do not understand? all of us try to win of course im not the guy who cries at the beginning of the fight because of MM. but taking positive approach doesnt mean that there is no problem with MM. And at low tiers again, CAs are more effective against DDs but at high tiers their job is much more diffucult, so they definetly need a buff Edited January 1, 2016 by ghostbuster_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #25 Posted January 1, 2016 Come on. Beat this. 15.12.2015 10/10 MM, would play again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
