wilmarrano_2015 Players 1 post 5,363 battles Report post #1 Posted December 30, 2015 I noticed that the flag on Japanise ships is the civil ships flag and not the war imperial flag with the rising sun. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreevson Players 580 posts 1,135 battles Report post #2 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Koreans had a problem with history. Apparently the IJN/JMSDF flag offends them. Edited December 30, 2015 by Andreevson 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
praetor_jax Beta Tester 1,266 posts 4,216 battles Report post #3 Posted December 30, 2015 Well to them its pretty much the equivalent of the swastika here in europe. I cant blame them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] WhiskeyWolf Beta Tester 1,491 posts 11,683 battles Report post #4 Posted December 30, 2015 Well to them its pretty much the equivalent of the swastika here in europe. I cant blame them. Just like the Hammer & Sickle... oh, wait. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
praetor_jax Beta Tester 1,266 posts 4,216 battles Report post #5 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Just like the Hammer & Sickle... oh, wait. Yeah, kinda. But hey, they won the war, they cant be bad guys right? ;-) Edited December 30, 2015 by praetor_jax Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #6 Posted December 30, 2015 Well to them its pretty much the equivalent of the swastika here in europe. I cant blame them. Except the swastika in that form was only ever used in one context during a short period. The rising sun flag on the other hand was used well before Japan started doing questionable things abroad and is still used to this day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreevson Players 580 posts 1,135 battles Report post #7 Posted December 30, 2015 Except the swastika in that form was only ever used in one context during a short period. The rising sun flag on the other hand was used well before Japan started doing questionable things abroad and is still used to this day. Give it 30 more years they might realize these symbols are just history and banning them just makes them more appealing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vogel Alpha Tester 2,062 posts 4,171 battles Report post #8 Posted December 30, 2015 This is going to get locked. But the reason is that 40k Koreans signed a petition to get the flag not implemented/removed. Of those 40k, only a small amount actually played the game. But WG did it mainly to not suffer financially in the Asian region. It's the same with the swastika, only that the game would be banned in Germany since it doesn't fall under the "historical re-enactment" that allows displaying the swastika. Thus, the swastica would also cost them customers. I highly doubt it has anything to do with people getting offended, but more due to financial reasons. Which is, after all, a valid one nevertheless. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTES] ShuggieHamster [BOTES] Players 807 posts 13,196 battles Report post #9 Posted December 30, 2015 German imperial flag has the same issues after some neo-nasty folks decided to make it their symbol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreevson Players 580 posts 1,135 battles Report post #10 Posted December 30, 2015 This is going to get locked. But the reason is that 40k Koreans signed a petition to get the flag not implemented/removed. Of those 40k, only a small amount actually played the game. But WG did it mainly to not suffer financially in the Asian region. It's the same with the swastika, only that the game would be banned in Germany since it doesn't fall under the "historical re-enactment" that allows displaying the swastika. Thus, the swastica would also cost them customers. I highly doubt it has anything to do with people getting offended, but more due to financial reasons. Which is, after all, a valid one nevertheless. But wouldn't Japanese people get annoyed in turn that their navy is not being historically represented? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kronke Players 28 posts Report post #11 Posted December 30, 2015 OP. If you are after the correct historical flags, Aslains modpack has a selection to choose from. Also has a nice skin pack which has some dazzle paint for your ships rather than the fantasy WG camo. And if you are so inclined it has ponies. 0_o http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/12780-mod0521-aslains-wows-modpack-installer-wpicture-preview-v52103-30122015/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vogel Alpha Tester 2,062 posts 4,171 battles Report post #12 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) They would still play the game, since it has the flag of Japan on the ships. You can't get offended by them having your own flag, but the incorrect one . This whole point is moot anyway, as we aren't allowed to discuss this issue (it is in the EULA), but I would welcome all historical facts, as I don't believe anyone can be influenced from mere symbols, without any underlying propaganda or symbolic context. I haven't seen a rise in communism due to people playing WoT or WoWs.... Edited December 30, 2015 by Vogel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #13 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Yeah, kinda. But hey, they won the war, they cant be bad guys right? ;-) Hmmm... The hammer and the sickle is banned in many countries it seems: In several countries in the former Eastern Bloc, there are laws that define the hammer and sickle as the symbol of a "totalitarian and criminal ideology", and the public display of the hammer and sickle and other Communist symbols such as the red star is considered a criminal offence. Georgia,[6]Hungary,[7]Latvia,[8]Lithuania,[9]Moldova (October 1, 2012 - June 4, 2013)[10] and Ukraine[11][12][13] have banned the symbol along with other communist symbols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle#Legal_status Edited December 30, 2015 by von_Boeg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kronke Players 28 posts Report post #14 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) They would still play the game, since it has the flag of Japan on the ships. You can't get offended by them having your own flag, but the incorrect one . This whole point is moot anyway, as we aren't allowed to discuss this issue (it is in the EULA), but I would welcome all historical facts, as I don't believe anyone can be influenced from mere symbols, without any underlying propaganda or symbolic context. I haven't seen a rise in communism due to people playing WoT or WoWs.... Indeed however much I like my collection of Soviet era marching tunes it does not make me want to paint the world red so to speak. Edited December 30, 2015 by Kronke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
praetor_jax Beta Tester 1,266 posts 4,216 battles Report post #15 Posted December 30, 2015 Hmmm... The hammer and the sickle is banned in many countries it seems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle#Legal_status Wow, i did not know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #16 Posted December 30, 2015 Wow, i did not know that. Me neither, and it is a bit over the top I think, but I cant blame them; I have not lived under the Soviet yoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vogel Alpha Tester 2,062 posts 4,171 battles Report post #17 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) I did, we had this discussion during Alpha. End result: Don't discuss IN rising sun. If you don't like how it is, then leave. So don't expect anything to change at this point. Another piece of trivia: The Rising sun flag is still used by the Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force. Edited December 30, 2015 by Vogel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEOND] Foehamster419 Players 144 posts 5,246 battles Report post #18 Posted December 30, 2015 Oh look! It's this discussion again 1)Look up mods that add the flags just for yourself. 2)Download and install 3)Enjoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #19 Posted December 30, 2015 Time to pull out this one again: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEOND] Foehamster419 Players 144 posts 5,246 battles Report post #20 Posted December 30, 2015 Time to pull out this one again: Haha, that is good =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Kartoffelmos Alpha Tester 2,237 posts 8,884 battles Report post #21 Posted December 30, 2015 Hmmm... The hammer and the sickle is banned in many countries it seems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle#Legal_status Indeed it is, but only in a public setting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #22 Posted December 30, 2015 Except the swastika in that form was only ever used in one context during a short period. The rising sun flag on the other hand was used well before Japan started doing questionable things abroad and is still used to this day. It doesn't matter for some people. For example, we here in Croatia have an old chant, that was used in 1800s by a duke, it goes "For homeland" - "Ready!". But, unfortunately, during WW2, the Croatian faschist party used it in form what went something like this "For homeland and our leader, ready" and because of that it is forbidden today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OCTO] Kostis_Larsson [OCTO] Beta Tester 130 posts Report post #23 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) [edited] Edited December 31, 2015 by BigBadVuk This post has been edited by a member of the Moderation Team, due to inappropriate content. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vogel Alpha Tester 2,062 posts 4,171 battles Report post #24 Posted December 30, 2015 ^No need for that. Even if you don't agree, their reasoning is still valid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #25 Posted December 31, 2015 Indeed it is, but only in a public setting. Ah that makes more sense, I admit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
