Toxic Community

[ukfuzz]

Boo-ya!

 

I'm opening myself up to trolls and exactly the kind of people I'm referring to in this post, but meh - I have broad shoulders.

More of a point than a question/suggestion but..

 

Why on earth has the WoWS community become so aggressive, abusive and damned-right vile of late? - when I first started playing it was (relatively) pleasant.

Now people are fighting before the countdown has even finished, and they're on the same team!

 

Bring back the love <3

Regards.

 

[Syned]

Boo-ya!

 

I'm opening myself up to trolls and exactly the kind of people I'm referring to in this post, but meh - I have broad shoulders.

More of a point than a question/suggestion but..

 

Why on earth has the WoWS community become so aggressive, abusive and damned-right vile of late? - when I first started playing it was (relatively) pleasant.

Now people are fighting before the countdown has even finished, and they're on the same team!

 

Bring back the love <3

Regards.

 

 

when you first started playing was it not CBT? case closed.

 

The CBT community were generally less toxic, understanding and worked for common understanding rather than just "this is broken I will cry now" attitude. All games go through this from testing to release.

[Meneleus]

I don't think it is as bad as you portray it to be. I have been in teams where people have been flaming each other in chat before the first enemy was sighted but thankfully this is pretty rare. I think it is just the internet, where impersonal interaction like this is rife due to anonymity and a lack of empathy since you are not interacting with a person but a digital representation.

 

Cheers, M

[Shaka_D]

A massive fact with games like this is they are centred around winning. Winning in this game is everything. Winning is what you need to advance, gather XP and credits faster to buy the next ship and ultimately (for stat freaks) make your stats look great. Losing is punished severely, even if you outplayed most of your team mates.

 

When you have a matchmaker that tries (and sometimes fails) to balance ship classes but leaves players out of the equation you're going to have issues where one team has the better players and obviously has the advantage. Like in WoT there is no mechanism to distribute payer skill equally across both teams, made more complicated by the effect from divisions. Then you still have to add the very frustrating RNG to the mix. The MM is only random in respect of the players in each team.

 

Now if WG added more content / meta to the game to take focus off the grind then perhaps players wouldn't mind so much about losing - but WG have not thought about this, nor do they intend to (it seems) and so you'll always have a game centred around winning. The winner takes it all, the loser has to fall.

 

In my personal opinion the recipe for the toxicity was set up by WG with their short-sightedness. People are just being people, suffering from the same frustated emotions, and it's easy to direct those frustrations ingame toward other players, and all the while WG are laughing their way to the bank.

 

So long story short: Players need to win, winning is everything and when they can't win even after playing very well they tend to get very angry and frustrated, and so the toxicity spreads and grows. We're only human.

[Andreevson]

Anonimity plus little to no punishment for being a  toxic person makes people vent out their rage on the internet instead in the real world.

 

Most if not all online games have toxic communities.

[Syned]

A massive fact with games like this is they are centred around winning. Winning in this game is everything. Winning is what you need to advance, gather XP and credits faster to buy the next ship and ultimately (for stat freaks) make your stats look great. Losing is punished severely, even if you outplayed most of your team mates.

 

When you have a matchmaker that tries (and sometimes fails) to balance ship classes but leaves players out of the equation you're going to have issues where one team has the better players and obviously has the advantage. Like in WoT there is no mechanism to distribute payer skill equally across both teams, made more complicated by the effect from divisions. Then you still have to add the very frustrating RNG to the mix. The MM is only random in respect of the players in each team.

 

Now if WG added more content / meta to the game to take focus off the grind then perhaps players wouldn't mind so much about losing - but WG have not thought about this, nor do they intend to (it seems) and so you'll always have a game centred around winning. The winner takes it all, the loser has to fall.

 

In my personal opinion the recipe for the toxicity was set up by WG with their short-sightedness. People are just being people, suffering from the same frustated emotions, and it's easy to direct those frustrations ingame toward other players, and all the while WG are laughing their way to the bank.

 

So long story short: Players need to win, winning is everything and when they can't win even after playing very well they tend to get very angry and frustrated, and so the toxicity spreads and grows. We're only human.

 

well WoT was pretty toxic with its early tech tree not fleshed out. Sooner or later you hit tier 5/6 and the game slows down rapidly and so does the content as a result. It will get there lets just hope it doesnt die early.

[ArcheonSRF]

I find most online games go this way, which is sad really.

[cuddlesRO]

you must new to the internetz

[txtspeak]

You've never played war thunder/ been on their forums If you think this is a toxic community.

whenever you go to the general discusion forum theres at least 2 but usually more like  4 or 5 threads locked because people have been asking questions about the game (like why a 1944  russian tank has been given 1949 ammo that is able to destroy anything and the germans are denied the majority of their historical ammunition) or challenging the moderators because their legitimate thread was locked or people arguing about things. the people there are at eachothers throats because the game is so terrible

[Pastaiolo]

Because the game is not in Alpha or Beta anymore, where people was usually more mature, older and interested in the game development itself.

 

Now it's more about the usual average WoT teenager playerbase who got to play with a free to play game.

[ukfuzz]

I've played a number of games with the typical 'anonymous a**hat' community, and appreciate it breeds in every game - and typically it is over winning (or not on some occasions).

It's just a shame, I can cope with frustrated outbursts or abuse for a bit of luck (WHY are detonations in the game, they can be so so cruel! ha..)

 

I just don't get people that go nutty-weird psycho before their engine is even enabled.

It used to be fairly pleasant.

 

Yes I am a disillusioned fool, but I guess I just wanted to communicate my feelings - as as stated previously - and yearn for yesteryear, when it was a little more civil.

Oh well.

 

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

Well, for starters: because WG doesn't fix the issues that do cause toxic chat/behaviour. Screwed up match maker (esp. with divisions), fail divisions, tk without serious punishment (heck, not even 100% of the repair cost, and don't get me started on gold camo (= real money)), aim mod, wallet warriors playing ships that are waaayyy out of their regular tier, still op sky cancer, RNGesus in general. And the casual players that usually play at the weekends and holidays who have absolutely no clue what they are doing, what they should be doing, and -above all- who are 100% resistant to learn even if half their team tells them to cap/shoot AP/HE, don't shoot and stay hidden, don't spam 3k torps when all that is in range are friendlies,....

 

Pick one.

 

[t3h3th32]

WWs is a paradise, compared to a game, I came from, where the game developers directly targeted certain successful clans in their game and either threatened them, blackmailed them or used their own exploits to crash their servers.

 

Absolutely agree with you that in CBT (which I sadly didn't experience) and OBT especially, the community was nicer. These days, it goes 3 ways really;

 

A/ you got a nice bunch of competitive guys around you, who read chat, speak English and are aware, which game they're playing, I had such a game just yesterday, when I got 4 kills, carried the team and then asked the team, if they leave me the last remaining BB and they all stopped firing and let me grab the Kraken's kill, which was really cool..

 

B/ there's a bunch of random kids or stupid people or just random people, who don't give a crap, they just want to sit down and randomly press their keys and mouse, these people usually sail in straight lines like bots, until they get killed, you can't reason with them, because they don't read chat and even if they did, they wouldn't possibly understand, what you want them to do, because teamplay and the mere idea of working otgether is just alien to them, those people are either those sailing to A10s corners or they sail directly into the enemy, fire once and die, all those BBs with 300 XP, etc.

 

C/ aggressive wannabes, who're mad, because outside the online gaming realm, they're pathetic nobodies and when they're confronted in a gaming realm and find out, they're nobodies even there, thus no way to heal their damages egos, they go full mad, had many games like that either, you get a DD sailing 1 meter next to the cap, the whole team is like: "cap it dude and pop smoke..", then I write something like: "pointless talking to him, tried at the beginning of the round..", then I die and this sad creature goes in public chat like: "haha, noob crapfag died, haha" and then you just sit there and try to even comprehend, what the hell just happened.., but yeah, ignore such losers, enjoy the game for what it is!

 

Another major problem is, WG and the game system don't reward enough players really working together, like you know, if someone flags you as a helper and you'd get like 100,000 credits bonus or something, the whole nature of the game would change, but it's sad, WG rather tries to implement some weird KARMA system, which does absolutely nothing and even if it did, not many people would bother to rate your teammates anyway, because it's simply too many clicks and once you're dead and out of the game, you just go to port and pick another ship, you don't bother giving other people ratings. The only thing, I've seen so far, was people threatening like little demented kids to report you, if you pick an argument with some of them, but little do they know, the reports are wasted too and it's just means to blow some steam, nobody in WG reads it or does anything about it whatsoever, because if they did, players like a DD, which spawns and then instantly goes to torp and kill his own 2 CVs, just because he enjoys teamkilling, wouldn't exist.

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

[ammattimies]

or how about:

 

D) advanced players who are tired of watching others repeat the same mistakes over and over - and to them it looks like these others are losing/failing on purpose.. if they try talking about tactics nicely, they just get a response like: "Who made you the commander, eh? I do what I want!" So might as well be quiet or type whatever you feel like, not gonna make any difference anyway. Try asking why do you attack 1 v 8 and die on purpose and suck? Answer is something like: "It's a game. I play for fun!"

 

To OP; if there is to be good behaviour between community members, there would have to be mutual respect. I know a few members worth my respect (for example Ducatisto, he's man enough to post and bust himself with illegal mods - a ballsy move if I ever saw one!) but for the rest, bah. Also, welcome to the interwebs. If someone is friendly here, it's more suspicious rather than expected

[GeneralHorstPital]

To OP; if there is to be good behaviour between community members, there would have to be mutual respect. I know a few members worth my respect (for example Ducatisto, he's man enough to post and bust himself with illegal mods - a ballsy move if I ever saw one!) but for the rest, bah. Also, welcome to the interwebs. If someone is friendly here, it's more suspicious rather than expected

 

Well, as we all are part of that community, it would be up to each and every one of us to change that. I hate this "It is the internet, that´s how it is, deal with it"

 

For me every unknown player in this game has my respect until he convinces me otherwise.

[_x_Acheron_x_]

This game is disgusting.

 

Two clowns in the same platoon in fusos. One of them rams me, then proceeds to shoot me for 5000 hp. I return fire on him and then him and his boyfriend TK me.

 

So I play a quarter of the game, lose 4 sets of flags, and lost a 3x XP bonus because I was dead so soon.

 

Pathetic. Friendly fire has no place in this game and serves no purpose. Remove it.

 

[Nechrom]

This game is disgusting.

 

Two clowns in the same platoon in fusos. One of them rams me, then proceeds to shoot me for 5000 hp. I return fire on him and then him and his boyfriend TK me.

 

So I play a quarter of the game, lose 4 sets of flags, and lost a 3x XP bonus because I was dead so soon.

 

Pathetic. Friendly fire has no place in this game and serves no purpose. Remove it.

 

Here's an idea: Don't shoot teammates.

There. Problem solved.

[Azrael_Ashemdion]

Boo-ya!

 

I'm opening myself up to trolls and exactly the kind of people I'm referring to in this post, but meh - I have broad shoulders.

More of a point than a question/suggestion but..

 

Why on earth has the WoWS community become so aggressive, abusive and damned-right vile of late? - when I first started playing it was (relatively) pleasant.

Now people are fighting before the countdown has even finished, and they're on the same team!

 

Bring back the love <3

Regards.

 

 

Go f*** yourse....heh, wait, never mind, I'm actually honestly not sure what you're talking about.  The only time I call someone out on the floor is if they've just torped me from a friendly ship.  Usually congrats to guys who waste me, if it was a worthy shot.   

 

  Az

 

[indycar]

feed the troll

[cherry2blost]

Toxic because WoT kiddies have come to WoWs and act the same way.... that's the simple answer really....

[Ishiro32]

 

Am I the only one that really doesn't feel it? I mean sure sometimes I saw some long ramblings on chat, but usually it's just drivel and I barerly register it. Also I met plenty of really nice players in game.

This is actually strange for me. I have been thanked for a Air Cover or moving forward in a BB to shield retreating BB. I am not used to nice people in chat in online game.

 

The only thing that really stood out for me was people backseat gaming carriers. Especially on ranked it was noticable. At the start of the game they gave you ask that did not fit your setup, they were commenting on setup choice and where telling that you suck even before game started. For me it was hillarious, but I noticed that if team is losing this backseat gaming transforms into full blown abuse. Up to a point where we had to defend enemy carrier on chat. I assume similar things happen for other classes. WIth karma situations like that should be less often anyway.

I am much worried about the forum, since the quality of posting has dropped so low since beta. But even here I don't really think there is a problem with people beeing toxic, just quality of posts. In game behavior was better in Beta, but what we have right now still is still rather tame compared to other games like that.

[ShuggieHamster]

Seen quite a few captains up for exchange of niceness ... Even after one of us has wasted the other. Dds Smoking to protect a crippled ship. Support fire to bail out a bb from a dd pack. Having a laugh in chat with the opposition.

so there is still good in the community even with the influx of arrses. Not worth righting it off just yet even though there is a toxic element. Somtimes you just need to point and laugh at them. I've found they can t take being mocked. 

[Foehamster419]

Anonimity plus little to no punishment for being a  toxic person makes people vent out their rage on the internet instead in the real world.

 

Most if not all online games have toxic communities.

 

I find most online games go this way, which is sad really.

 

you must new to the internetz

 

This is essentially it.

 

There was a time where I didn't believe this myself but now I am a cynic =p

[Kedo]

or how about:

 

D) advanced players who are tired of watching others repeat the same mistakes over and over - and to them it looks like these others are losing/failing on purpose.. if they try talking about tactics nicely, they just get a response like: "Who made you the commander, eh? I do what I want!" So might as well be quiet or type whatever you feel like, not gonna make any difference anyway. Try asking why do you attack 1 v 8 and die on purpose and suck? Answer is something like: "It's a game. I play for fun!"

 

To OP; if there is to be good behaviour between community members, there would have to be mutual respect. I know a few members worth my respect (for example Ducatisto, he's man enough to post and bust himself with illegal mods - a ballsy move if I ever saw one!) but for the rest, bah. Also, welcome to the interwebs. If someone is friendly here, it's more suspicious rather than expected

 

this, pretty much

 

Am I the only one that really doesn't feel it? I mean sure sometimes I saw some long ramblings on chat, but usually it's just drivel and I barerly register it. Also I met plenty of really nice players in game.

 

This is actually strange for me. I have been thanked for a Air Cover or moving forward in a BB to shield retreating BB. I am not used to nice people in chat in online game.

 

I am much worried about the forum, since the quality of posting has dropped so low since beta. But even here I don't really think there is a problem with people beeing toxic, just quality of posts. In game behavior was better in Beta, but what we have right now still is still rather tame compared to other games like that.

There is, indeed, a lot of nice players but also quite a lot of a**es.

 

First of all, some players who ignore team effort (In a team game! Imagine that selfishness!) refuse to cooperate and are quite rude if asked to do so.

 

And you never been yelled at for not giving cover to one person (who moved wrong way anyway) while you actually were doing something essential for team (like covering someone else)? That's bs, isn't it? And problem is, certain bad/arrogant/immature players never learn nor admit they did something wrong / you did something right, even when half of the team tells them so. And since you have to read chat so you don't miss important messages, you also read this crap and it bugs you and sometimes it makes you rage... well, perhaps not you but I often have it like that.

 

And as far as forum goes, many of alpha/beta posters stopped posting for various reasons, but toxics/haters/ragekids keep posting and we also got some new ones. That's why has "quality of posting" dropped, imo.

 

EDIT: also, way too many anime on board... ;)

[Shaka_D]

Toxic because WoT kiddies have come to WoWs and act the same way.... that's the simple answer really....

 

The problem is a little more complex than that Cherry, we cannot simply always blame the people. Yes they are responsbile for their words and actions (me included), but sometimes there are precursors to bad behaviour and my personal belief is the 'winning rewards all, losing rewards none' attitude from WG is the cause, which in itself is a complex problem that only WG can solve.