We need more carriers!

[Deatmes]

I started to notice that every game which has carriers in it is much more fun and less monotonic. Especially for cruisers. Game without carriers for cruisers looks like having incomplete gameplay, halved exp/credits source. There isn't much of a point playing cruisers instead of BB, because cruisers rarely can fulfill anti-aircraft role. In games where there is 4 carriers such role is really important, and much more interesting thing to do then challenging BB's.

[Andreevson]

Lack of carriers is not the reason why cruisers are useless.

 

 

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

u can find bunch of cvs at t4-5 , from t6 its geting rare

[Blinks]

u can find bunch of cvs at t4-5 , from t6 its geting rare

 

Thank god.

 

They're fine till about tier 8. The Essex and Midway are ridiculous.

[Mr_Mistery]

i love no CVs battle less face drop torp

[IamTroublemaker]

i love no CVs battle less face drop torp

 

I'd wish we had more CVs (Taiho, Hakuryu) that cannot kill me in 1 run but make me think of my next move and inflicting enough damage so I have to back up sometimes, instead of just killing me in 1 run (Essex, Midway). Also more carriers would probably bring the infestations of Shimakazes to and end, which is just ridiculous and not good for high tier gameplay because I've seen some of them take up to 2 CAs and a DD in just 1 spread, and not to mention what they do to BBs...

[Deatmes]

i love no CVs battle less face drop torp

 

Easy to avoid and get 1 torp at most. Just need to turn before they drop. And aircraft torps deals so low demage it's not painful at all. And with nerfed leak chance its even less of a pain.

Eat least for mid tier gameplay that is.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

Easy to avoid and get 1 torp at most. Just need to turn before they drop. And aircraft torps deals so low demage it's not painful at all. And with nerfed leak chance its even less of a pain.

 

Then you haven't met many Midways and Essexes (damn, that this is hard to pronounce ). They got really fast planes and even the best BB captain will struggle to avoid their drops if the CV captain is good, and they can kill most of BBs (or just wound them to less than 10k HP) in 1 run, with just TBs, not to mention bombers...

[Blaxx]

No we dont need more carriers and Cruisers are not useless !

[Deatmes]

 

Then you haven't met many Midways and Essexes (damn, that this is hard to pronounce ). They got really fast planes and even the best BB captain will struggle to avoid their drops if the CV captain is good, and they can kill most of BBs (or just wound them to less than 10k HP) in 1 run, with just TBs, not to mention bombers...

 

True I didn't encounter Midway yet. But i have tried Hakuryu in test server. And it couldn't kill T10 BB in one perfect all-in drop.

[Andreevson]

No we dont need more carriers and Cruisers are not useless !

 

Okay I yield, nearly useless.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

True I didn't encounter Midway yet. But i have tried Hakuryu in test server. And it couldn't kill T10 BB in one perfect all-in drop.

 

That is why I said just Essex and Midway. Hakuryu and Taiho are not able to do that it seems, but they can inflict substantial damage, which is why I prefer playing against them in any ship, especially BB.

[Deatmes]

Well in mid-tier Carriers does't do any lethal damage after many nerfs for IJN CV's. And there isn't many carriers in such tiers since. And this made monotonic gamelplay for a cruiser. In game with carriers i just can park myself near friendly carrier and rake in exp/credits. Hunting down any DD or staying for AA. And that earns much more exp then battling with BB's. You cant deal much damage to BB, and BB health are much cheaper than DD health. Profit from shooting down planes is buffed greatly, and can earn a lot. And i get much satisfaction from feel of contribution this way.

[Mr_Mistery]

 

Easy to avoid and get 1 torp at most. Just need to turn before they drop. And aircraft torps deals so low demage it's not painful at all. And with nerfed leak chance its even less of a pain.

Eat least for mid tier gameplay that is.

 

aha say this now and say the same when the torp bombers come and you turn like a crazy animal and see not matter what do you he torp you easy but you see the planes on mini map you stat turn but her planes just fly over your head and turn fast end torp come you cant do nothing.

but really easy dogde face drop torps just me a crapand you a pro so sorry of king of pros.

[Spellfire40]

 

aha say this now and say the same when the torp bombers come and you turn like a crazy animal and see not matter what do you he torp you easy but you see the planes on mini map you stat turn but her planes just fly over your head and turn fast end torp come you cant do nothing.

but really easy dogde face drop torps just me a crapand you a pro so sorry of king of pros.

 

Actually if he needs to make another atack run you can shoot down a quite some planes unless your in a T3 BB. If you in a latehull Colerado plus vs an even con with modules for AA your gona whipe his squads. Only Essex and Midway are a real danger and if WG keep nerfing all CVs just to balace them you wont see any new CV anyway.

[22cm]

 

Then you haven't met many Midways and Essexes (damn, that this is hard to pronounce ).

 

You should pronounce that e-sexes.

[Synth_FG]

We could do with more carriers, not a branch I'm interested in playing myself but the presence of CV's does make the gameplay more challenging 

[IamTroublemaker]

 

You should pronounce that e-sexes.

 

You sure its not e-sexsexes?

[OVanBruce]

 

I'd wish we had more CVs (Taiho, Hakuryu) that cannot kill me in 1 run but make me think of my next move and inflicting enough damage so I have to back up sometimes, instead of just killing me in 1 run.

 

I wish we had less BBs (Yamato, Montana) that cannot kill me with one salvo in my cruisers but make me think of my next move and inflicting enough damage so I have to go back sometimes, instead of just killing me in 1 salvo.

 

And no, you cannot be one shootted by any CV in a Montana or Yamato.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

I wish we had less BBs (Yamato, Montana) that cannot kill me with one salvo in my cruisers but make me think of my next move and inflicting enough damage so I have to go back sometimes, instead of just killing me in 1 salvo.

 

And no, you cannot be one shootted by any CV in a Montana or Yamato.

 

True, although those BB shells are much easier to avoid when staying at longer ranges (at least for me) while a BB, has "enemies" in CVs, DDs and pesky cruisers like Zao that make me want to throw my laptop through the window by all those fires and sometimes massive damages and it can be much harder to avoid planes and Zao shells for a BB.

 

And yes, Midway can kill a Montana in one run, been there, done that (on me). Bombers up to 15k and then 12 torps that somehow almost always deal max damage to it. In best case I will be left with 10-20k hp with 4 fires and flooding.

[Ast3lan]

I wish less DD's actually but since people wanted CV's out instead of a comprehensive class balance the crowds got what they wished and the few of us playing IJN CV's got hammered out.

 

This is unfortunately a discussion coming since Alpha i believe and CBT where CV's where somewhat re-balanced after release and then completely screwed with the US air superiority and the latest nerf. Also a big contributor to the fact that we dont see CV's nowadays where the people powerleveling them and seal clubbing everyone, i thank those people wholeheartedly for having ruined the game for alot of people and helped make the class completely useless with their actions.

 

Torpedo planes wheren't hard to avoid, the problem was that people either bunched up in places without a place to run to or went out and about on some lone wolf crusades and ended up eating torps from both sides, wich led to having people coming to the forums and complain.

 

The last times i played a CV my planes where being shot down like flies by Clevelands and whatever you had at hand, it was so ridiculous and even then people complained about the class.. now your wishes are granted, CV's are disapearing and the next class to feel the swing of the nerf bat in a couple patches will be the Destroyer class. 

[ShockPirat]

 

True, although those BB shells are much easier to avoid when staying at longer ranges (at least for me) while a BB, has "enemies" in CVs, DDs and pesky cruisers like Zao that make me want to throw my laptop through the window by all those fires and sometimes massive damages and it can be much harder to avoid planes and Zao shells for a BB.

 

And yes, Midway can kill a Montana in one run, been there, done that (on me). Bombers up to 15k and then 12 torps that somehow almost always deal max damage to it. In best case I will be left with 10-20k hp with 4 fires and flooding.

 

Only if the Montana doesn't bother to avoid and ctrl click the planes.

That's like a cruiser complaining he got 1shot by parking 10 km away from a BB, showing broadside.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

Only if the Montana doesn't bother to avoid and ctrl click the planes.

That's like a cruiser complaining he got 1shot by parking 10 km away from a BB, showing broadside.

 

The main difference is that a smart CA can stay away from the BB, while a BB cannot stay away from a CV, especially not with the 22 sec rudder shift time against 150 or something knot planes.

 

Even with ctrl click on Midway planes I hardly manage to kill any before they drop, even if I do, its impossible to kill even half of those 24 planes (at least) that are coming towards you, on time.

[ShockPirat]

 

The main difference is that a smart CA can stay away from the BB, while a BB cannot stay away from a CV, especially not with the 22 sec rudder shift time against 150 or something knot planes.

 

Even with ctrl click on Midway planes I hardly manage to kill any before they drop, even if I do, its impossible to kill even half of those 24 planes (at least) that are coming towards you, on time.

 

But a smart BB can stay in formation with other BBs and CAs and deny Midway any hope of attacking successfully

 

Carriers are the only class in game that can be COMPLETELY neutralized by teamplay.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

But a smart BB can stay in formation with other BBs and CAs and deny Midway any hope of attacking successfully

 

Carriers are the only class in game that can be COMPLETELY neutralized by teamplay.

 

True, but sometimes teamplay like that is quite hard, especially in randoms and when playing solo. When I'm playing a BB I just cant stand sniping from 20km+ away so whats the point of sticking to BBs like that? You do more harm than good to your team like that, and that is what, unfortunately, most of BBs do in randoms.