Will BBs ever get justice?

[Admiral__Chy]

So i am wondering, will BBs ever get justice in this game?
From my point of view the BBs are unjustly broken in terms of balance in comparison with other classes, and this becomes more obvious as u go up the tiers, il being with the begining, why are other classes significantly cheaper to repair post battle than a battleship considering the game is "balanced" betwen classes, why is the BB a luxury while a DD of the same tier for example costs nearly half compared to a BB while it can inflict significantly more dmg due to the infinite supply of torps they get?
Why do cruisers suffer 0 dispersion problems at ranges like 15+ km where BBs should be engaging considering the lower weight shells are more subjected to winds?
Why is the HE dmg so [edited] high, considering the real life example of durability given by the Bismarck while her whole superstructure was lit up like a christmas tree and yet she still fired whatever guns she still had working?
This whole cruiser mechanic allows a good cruiser captain to litteraly OWN BBs at long ranges by simply zig zaging and returning HE fire on the BB untill its lit aflame and slowly dies from the fire, cause the cruiser can return 3-4 salvos for each of the BBs salvos, the BB can only deal significant dmg if it citadels, something thats veeeery unlikely to happen if the cruiser captain knows what hes doing and dosent show his broadside, and considering the dispersions we have, compared to the size of the cruiser, the chance of a citadel at 16-17 km ranges on a zig zaging cruiser is what, close to 0.01%?
While in turn the chance for the cruiser to lit the BB on fire is what %? Per shell, considering the cruiser has 12 guns, eg Cleveland, fires 3-4 salvos for every BB salvo, thats what, lets say 36 shells with laser guided accuracy for every BB salvo, which has more chances to fall all around the cruiser and just splash the water rather than actually hit it, people say BBs are supposed to engage at long range, how can that even happen whilst a good cruiser captain can do 2 turns and a pirouette untill the shells get to him in the first place and then just splash all around him.
I could understand cruisers to be able to fire at thease current ranges, but with a significant shoot dispersion, to encourage them to engage at shorter ranges, rather than employ "hit & run" tactics which in a 1 v 1 situation almost assures them victory, range increase for cruisers going up on the tree is alot more significant due to the pinpoint accuracy they carry than range increase for BBs, which can bearly even scratch the paint on anything as big as a BB at ranges over 16km.
Why do DDs have invisibility technology they dont even have in modern times?
I mean, it requires u to get in what, 6-7 km range of a DD to spot him and be able to effectively fire on it, getting to that range of a DD in a BB is already as close to suiciding as it can be, but if the DD pops the smoke screen, hes invisible even at those [edited] close ranges, has Wargaming not herd of something called RADAR?
Isnt the smoke screen supposed to cover them at long ranges to enable them to close in?
Why dose it work even at "melee" ranges where every piece of junk radars would be able to detect them anyway?
Why are torpedoes so spamable and whitout an ammo limit whilst IRL there are very few DDs who could reload torpedoes in combat conditions?

Not counting CVs since they were the ones who put a stop to the BB supremacy thus they deserve to be heavy hitters although i find the range on AA guns very very limited.
So, DDs got alien stealth technology, cruisers got laser guided shells that defy physics, what do BBs have?

 

[bushwacker001]

Quick answer - it's a game.

[_Teob_]

hear hear!

When will BBs have justice indeed?!

When will BBs have the highest average dmg in the game and pretty much dominate the other classes?

 

Oh woe and tragedy has befallen them all obviously! What a sham and a travesty of justice!

 

I think all other classes should be nerfed and BBs buffed - it's the only solution. One might say it would be the final solution for the game.

 

[OldGrandad]

From the thread title I thought a BB was in court............ 

 

 

[Takru]

May be playing the other classes would enlighten him as to why things are as they are?

[Surmaaja]

Has there been a patch lately? Since last time I played around a week or so ago BBs were citadeling cruisers left and right as usual while cruisers randomly deal 0 damage with HE. Not to mention slow IJN DD torps which could be dodged by retarded monkeys.

[OldGrandad]

 

[unhappy BB captains text]

 

So, DDs got alien stealth technology, cruisers got laser guided shells that defy physics, what do BBs have?

 

Big a55 guns, lots of health, repair function and some even have very good captains in them............ 

[_Teob_]

Has there been a patch lately? Since last time I played around a week or so ago BBs were citadeling cruisers left and right as usual while cruisers randomly deal 0 damage with HE. Not to mention slow IJN DD torps which could be dodged by retarded monkeys.

 

Nothing has really changed.

While I would say that you do make some liberal use of hyperbole in your post describing the current situation, the situation has not changed since a week ago.

[Blue_Bug]

These are all balance factors. If you would complain about tier 3 and 4 BB's I would agree with you. 

 

The Higher you come in tiers, how more powerfull the BB's become in comparison to the other classes. You can do about half the salvo's a CA can do. But you can kill a CA in one salvo. A CA can't do that to a BB. A BB has much more HP as the other classes.

 

It is the CA who suffers the most on high Tier. Now there are litle CV's in game on high tier many CA commanders switch to DD's. The reason for this is that a lot of BB's are camping. Without the support of BB's a CA can't do nothing on high tier. With a DD you can do without the support of BB's.  A DD is very limited in her torpedoes. They have a much longer reload time as a BB. If you play your BB corectly, a lonely DD can never realy damage you. You might get one hit from a torpedo, who you can repair almost completly.

 

Please play also other classes before you complain how weak BB's are. 

 

[Takru]

These are all balance factors. If you would complain about tier 3 and 4 BB's I would agree with you. 

 

The Higher you come in tiers, how more powerfull the BB's become in comparison to the other classes. You can do about half the salvo's a CA can do. But you can kill a CA in one salvo. A CA can't do that to a BB. A BB has much more HP as the other classes.

 

 

His highest Tier ship is the Colorado.

[Aerroon]

But they don't?

 

DDs are the most expensive class to run, because one offhand volley takes off half your HP. Something like that almost never happens to BBs. Not to mention BBs also have heal as a get-out-of-fail card.

[_Teob_]

*logic*

 

 

How dare you bring logic into this?!

How very dare you take the proverbial wind out of OPs sails?

 

He came here to whine based on biassed and somewhat uninformed experience and you start giving arguments and explaining things. Shameful.

[Admiral__Chy]

Has there been a patch lately? Since last time I played around a week or so ago BBs were citadeling cruisers left and right as usual while cruisers randomly deal 0 damage with HE. Not to mention slow IJN DD torps which could be dodged by retarded monkeys.

 

At what ranges dose that happen? 

 

Big a55 guns, lots of health, repair function and some even have very good captains in them............ 

 

Are those things BBs were not supposed to have in the first place?

Lots of health, again were they not supposed to have it? Tell that to the bismarck getting trampled by a whole squadron, tell it to the scharnhorst, again, getting trampled by whole squadron, so imho they are supposed to have what they already do and then some

 

His highest Tier ship is the Colorado.

 

Its actually a NC but what ever u say sir.

But they don't?

 

DDs are the most expensive class to run, because one offhand volley takes off half your HP. Something like that almost never happens to BBs. Not to mention BBs also have heal as a get-out-of-fail card.

 

And how likely is that salvo to happen if u play the DD right i wonder?

 

[N00b32]

BB Mafia again. So awesome. Two month away, nothing has changed. Keep it up and this game will be dead in notime. 

[Aerroon]

At what ranges dose that happen? Its actually a NC but what ever u sa And how likely is that salvo to happen if u play the DD right i wonder?

 

 

Quite high? You get spotted and you can get hit. Any random plane or other DD can randomly just spot you without you knowing. There's more to this game than just BBs, mate.

 

Oh yeah and torpedoes are like the most ridiculously expensive ammunition in the game too.

 

Just go play them and you'll find out how "OP" they really are. Especially once you reach tier 6 and people you are up against upgrade from raddishes to potatoes.

[Takru]

 

Its actually a NC but what ever u say sir.

 

 

Makes it even worse when you're at Tier 8 and still not understanding basic mechanics of the game. Again, try other classes, you might eventually learn something.

[_Teob_]

 

At what ranges dose that happen? 

Anything up to around 20 km

 

Are those things BBs were not supposed to have in the first place?

They do have them - in spades

Lots of health, again were they not supposed to have it? Tell that to the bismarck getting trampled by a whole squadron, tell it to the scharnhorst, again, getting trampled by whole squadron, so imho they are supposed to have what they already do and then some

This is a game - how many hit points would you say the Bismark had? I am joking of course - you can't estimate that

 

Its actually a NC but what ever u say sir.

You have 1 match in it.

And how likely is that salvo to happen if u play the DD right i wonder?

Reasonably likely which is why DDs die all the damn time

 

 

Answers in bold. 

 

Seriously bud, your posts reek of bias and misinformation. You really need to do some more research and maybe even play the other classes and you will get a different perspective.

[ColonelPete]

@Admiral

You should take a look at server stats before spreading false rumors.

[Kartoffelmos]

BBs UP, buff pl0x!

 

I support this notion and I hope you do too! When was the last time you ever got hit by a battleship? Can't remember? That's right, battleships never hit anything! They are also slow and have a metric manure-tonne of health so they are free XP for the enemy! Do you wan't to oppose this injustice? Call 111 WG BUFF now, and receive a second improvement, absolutely free!

 

But wait, there's more! If you order within 30 seconds of this post, you will get a no-carrier button, absolutely free of charge!

Call 111 WG BUFF now and get the balanced game you deserve today!

[Ishiro32]

Justice!!! 

I must say that when I saw topic name I didn't know should I expect someone calling for nerf to BBs or buff to them. Oh well, the anwser to the OP queries was already provided.

[Admiral__Chy]

@Admiral

You should take a look at server stats before spreading false rumors.

 

How can i check the server stats?^^

 And if u call what i say "false rumours" what is false in that being my opinion so far?

If u disagree its fine by me and think what u may, but il think what i may on the other side.

 

Quite high? You get spotted and you can get hit. Any random plane or other DD can randomly just spot you without you knowing. There's more to this game than just BBs, mate.

 

Oh yeah and torpedoes are like the most ridiculously expensive ammunition in the game too.

 

Just go play them and you'll find out how "OP" they really are. Especially once you reach tier 6 and people you are up against upgrade from raddishes to potatoes.

Those are some big "IFs" mate, now please tell me, what BB turns his guns and fires on the first spotted DD?

Cause i see none, i see even cruisers too afraid to try and seek out DDs and just engage them whenever they are busy fighting something else, most cruisers i see in games focus BBs first, cruisers and DDs second, because as stated by Kartoffelmos, BBs are a floating sack of exp/credits so everyone just focuses them, easier to hit, and more gains from doing so or at least thats what it looks like.

[Admiral__Chy]

And also, searching around forums looking into NCs efficiency, a so called "tactic" is aparently used by some to increase its efficiency, that tactic being as stated by the one who suggested it, the same tactic used by Iowa/Yamatos, i cant know since i didnt get that far and im not even planing to in thease circumstances, "forget u have a rear turret, just point your bow to the targets and fire away ur frontal guns while pointing the front constantly to the enemy" Seen afew instances of people using that "tactic" in all kinds of different BBs, and the funny thing is, that it actually seems to work, now thats like saying, "get ur T crossed and keep firing away"

Now tell me, what battleships in WW2 history, employed the tactic of "getting ur T crossed by the enemy" or when in written history was that a good thing?

[Jadefalken]

Well in all fairness, This morning I had a great game in my Roon but while I was chasing down an Amagi and I took about 10k hp of him after destroying the north carolina. I had to disengaged and chase the enemy dd leaving our Iowa to finish the Amagi why disengage? Well he took my front turret out and swinging to get my rear guns on him was not worth a citadel hit. 

 

It is how the players perform in the ships that count. Hell I can even get good games in the Yorck once in a while.

 

Know your limits and that of your ship and you should perform well in them... I suck badly in cv... I stopped playing... I am rubbish in dd's so stopped playing... 

 

I went down the US cruisers.. Hated HE spamming... So I chose the German Cruisers and will shoot only AP and it works for me...

 

Just like Cruisers, Battleships, CV's and DD's they have all been lost in reality not just in wows.

 

BB does not mean you can sail straight into the enemy and pwn them single handedly or they would be called Chuck Norrises not Battleships.

 

Edited because of "Smartphone" changing my words.

[Takru]

Guys, don't feed the troll.

 

Troll: Read here: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18204-carriers-are-op-battleships-are-op-cruisers-are-op-destroyers-are-op/

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

Now tell me, what battleships in WW2 history, employed the tactic of "getting ur T crossed by the enemy" or when in written history was that a good thing?

 

Tell me what battleships in WW2 history turned up for a battle and were told "You can't take part in this one, it's for tier 7 & 8 ships only".

Its a GAME!

 

P.S. Your original post talking about engagements at 16-17km between BBs and CAs, mentioned the Cleveland and "laser guided accuracy" in the same sentence. Err...have you seen the shell arc of the Cleveland at those distances?