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So I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m fed up with DDs having an advantage over BBs so I have done some research and to my surprise I found that DDs in reality do not have such an advantage over BBs, now you’re thinking what the hell is he on about well I’m referring to torpedoes would it surprise you to know that the New Mexico, Colorado and Warspite to name but a few all had torpedoes tubs of 21in, ok they had a range of about between 6 and 8 thousand yards.

So I believe if our BBs  had torps we would have a better chance at keeping the little bastards at bay for a bit longer so I say to WG COME ON PLAY FAIR GIVE US OUR FULL COMPLIMENT OF WEAPONS, THEN I WILL PURCHASE THE WARSPITE or is there a reason why they have not been given torpedoes, bias against British and US ships, also what about some M T Bs

So what do you guys think       :hmm:     :hiding:

 

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Those were fixed torpedo tubes.. the only way to aim them was to turn your own ship. It's not just US and RN ships that had them so cut that bias crap please. 

 

 

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Some BBs had underwater torpedo tubes (that could not be directly aimed), but most of those were removed in later refits.

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Someone should post those statistics with average damage comparisons between DDs and BBs tier for tier to show how huge this unfair advantage for DDs against BBs is :B

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It's not a BBs job to take care of DDs.


DDs are meant to counter BBs.

Considering the much higher average damage of battleships compared to destroyers I see no reason to give them more weaponry to fight destroyers with.

The high amount of DDs in matches these days is certainly bothersome, but that alone is no reason to indirectly nerf them in any way.

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So I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m fed up with DDs having an advantage over BBs so I have done some research and to my surprise I found that DDs in reality do not have such an advantage over BBs, now you’re thinking what the hell is he on about well I’m referring to torpedoes would it surprise you to know that the New Mexico, Colorado and Warspite to name but a few all had torpedoes tubs of 21in, ok they had a range of about between 6 and 8 thousand yards.

So I believe if our BBs  had torps we would have a better chance at keeping the little bastards at bay for a bit longer so I say to WG COME ON PLAY FAIR GIVE US OUR FULL COMPLIMENT OF WEAPONS, THEN I WILL PURCHASE THE WARSPITE or is there a reason why they have not been given torpedoes, bias against British and US ships, also what about some M T Bs

So what do you guys think       :hmm:     :hiding:

 

Maybe you should do some research on game mechanics instead.

Here is a good place to start, read the Stickies:

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/forum/174-newcomers-section/

 

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So I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m fed up with DDs having an advantage over BBs 

 

What advantage ?

 

If a lonely DD kills a BB it is most of the time the mistake of the BB. A BB can kill a DD in one salvo.  Most kills of BB's by a DD is due to distraction of the BB player by other players or multible DD's who attack one BB.

 

Please don't come up with reality, because in reality we would all just be an escort to the CV's. This is not a simulator it is a game with ships that looks like the historical ones. Nothing more.

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"Dear Sirs, please buff rocks immediately! Paper is the worst thing to happen to this game, please remove it.

 

P.S. Scissors are fine.

 

 

Sincerely, Rock"

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So I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m fed up with DDs having an advantage over BBs so I have done some research and to my surprise I found that DDs in reality do not have such an advantage over BBs, now you’re thinking what the hell is he on about well I’m referring to torpedoes would it surprise you to know that the New Mexico, Colorado and Warspite to name but a few all had torpedoes tubs of 21in, ok they had a range of about between 6 and 8 thousand yards.

So I believe if our BBs  had torps we would have a better chance at keeping the little bastards at bay for a bit longer so I say to WG COME ON PLAY FAIR GIVE US OUR FULL COMPLIMENT OF WEAPONS, THEN I WILL PURCHASE THE WARSPITE or is there a reason why they have not been given torpedoes, bias against British and US ships, also what about some M T Bs

So what do you guys think       :hmm:     :hiding:

 

 Torpedo tubes were still seen as required armament on capital ships in 1915. As such, Warspite was given four torpedo launch tubes - two mounted forward and two mounted aft - in fixed launchers below the water line. The bow mounts - one port and one starboard - were about 80 feet back from the bow and the two aft tubes were situated as one port and one starboard under the most-aft 15-inch "D" turret emplacement. Each station held five torpedoes of 21-inches (533mm) in diameter and the length of bore of each was 45 calibers (270in). Each torpedo tube weighed 6 tons and the torpedoes themselves were 22 feet, 7.5 in long (6.896 m). The warhead weighed 280 pounds and the complete torpedo weighed 3,206 pounds (1,454 kg). Maximum range of these weapons was 18,500 yards with a cruise-to-target speed of 19 knots. The tubes were removed during the 1941 refit when destroyers took on the "torpedo boat" role in the British Royal Navy.

 

 

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So I believe if our BBs  had torps we would have a better chance at keeping the little bastards at bay for a bit longer so I say to WG COME ON PLAY FAIR GIVE US OUR FULL COMPLIMENT OF WEAPONS, THEN I WILL PURCHASE THE WARSPITE or is there a reason why they have not been given torpedoes, bias against British and US ships, also what about some M T Bs

So what do you guys think       :hmm:     :hiding:

The Warspite in Game is Post 1937 Refit!!! All Torpedo Tubes were removed in that refit so you would not get them anyway.

 

Also as stated the Tubes were non directional and u aimed with the hole ship.

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The torpedo tubes on these ships were never really proven in combat, it was more of a deterrence or a "what else could we do?" type armament.  The only known case of  Battleship to Battleship torpedoes being launched for example was when the HMS Rodney closed in on the wounded Bismark and fired torpedoes. She fired 12 in total and only hit 1.

 

BB's don't need torpedoes to deal with DD's. You just need to have situational awareness and when a DD is spotted and closing range, switch to HE and give him your full attention.

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TBH, I'd be satisfied if we could use our secondaries more better. Full manual aiming with them is sadly off the list, I know, but still...

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Someone should post those statistics with average damage comparisons between DDs and BBs tier for tier to show how huge this unfair advantage for DDs against BBs is :B

 

please enough bb hate as anyone who plays bb know full well the bb has the highest health pool with a heal ability but that's because everyone and his grandmother is shooting the hell out of them and setting them on fire so when a bb gets high damage its nearly all done to other bb and cruisers but they have to take a right beating to get that damage especially if they sail at the front to "tank" the damage like I do in mine when I get support from other team members

 

as for bb getting torps is bloody stupid and will just make it harder for dd to kill the bb which the dd is ment to do

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please enough bb hate as anyone who plays bb know full well the bb has the highest health pool with a heal ability but that's because everyone and his grandmother is shooting the hell out of them and setting them on fire so when a bb gets high damage its nearly all done to other bb and cruisers but they have to take a right beating to get that damage especially if they sail at the front to "tank" the damage like I do in mine when I get support from other team members

 

as for bb getting torps is bloody stupid and will just make it harder for dd to kill the bb which the dd is ment to do

 

I have no hate against BBs. I myself play them extensively, about as much as I play CAs and more than I play DDs. What does grind my gears though is especially BB players whining about being victims of anything, when it's... well, I hesitate to say "easiest class to play". It's the easiest class to do ok in, but as hard to really master as the others, and what it certainly doesn't need is more ways of doing damage

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What advantage ?

 

If a lonely DD kills a BB it is most of the time the mistake of the BB. A BB can kill a DD in one salvo.  Most kills of BB's by a DD is due to distraction of the BB player by other players or multible DD's who attack one BB.

 

Please don't come up with reality, because in reality we would all just be an escort to the CV's. This is not a simulator it is a game with ships that looks like the historical ones. Nothing more.

 

Don't forget that in Reality the IJN Long Lance torp was not visible. I wonder how much BB skippers would whine if that was true in the game.

 

 

But hey, sure, reality, as long as BB skippers are happy with their torp tubes...

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Don't forget that in Reality the IJN Long Lance torp was not visible. I wonder how much BB skippers would whine if that was true in the game.

 

 

But hey, sure, reality, as long as BB skippers are happy with their torp tubes...

 

So one moron comes in with a stupid question about torps... And you wanna make it out as all BB captains will be happy?

 

 

I personally dislike anybody using the royal 'we' unless you are the queen.....  I also dislike people making assumption's on an entire class if players based on one morons post...

 

 

So cut our the BB/ CV/DD subdivisions and talk to us as human beings.... If that is possible 

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While i consider the OP´s suggestion as not viable (what´s the point of one or two fixed torpedo tubes at the front/stern or broadside of a BB?), i can still understand his wish for better defense capabilities.

As a former BB player, i completly stopped taking anything else than DDs out into PvP battles. The reasons are simple and obvious: DDs are the most independent class to be played, if you got a nad for them. All other classes depend more or less on the teamplay with other classes or ships, and since we all know what to expect from teamplay with random teammembers, taking out anything but a DD always means taking a volunteer handicap with you.

Yes, DDs are meant to counter BBs, ander there are statistics around which show, that BBs are a good class in terms of damage.

However, since i don´t know these statistics en detail, i would love to know how they are made up. Do they just sho the raw numbers, or do they show the relation beween ship HP and damage done?

Call me old fashioned, but i still tend to refer to the old WoT scale: you do less damage than your tank´s HP: you sucked. You do equal or more damage: you were worth your HP pool, or even better.

If this would be/ is applied to WoWs, i am not that sure DDs come out as the inferior class. I consider it by far more easy to dish out damage worth 2x-5x or more the HP of my DD, but dishing out 2x the ammount of HP in a BB is rare and can be considered a great game, although it should be just as easy, considering the high potential damage output of the guns. A potential you pay for with a lot of drawbacks.

In addition, let´s be honest: a DD in practiced hands is just incredibly deadly, more than a BB ever can dream of to be. Especially in games up to tier 7, where these slow USN BBs are a quiet often seen target, DDs can wreak havoc. These ships are just so slow and lack that much accuracy and secondary firepower, that any halfway skilled DD captain can easily yolo them and torp them out of the water from 1-2 km.

If i spott one of these BBs with my Gremy, and it is without escort, it is practically dead steel. There are only very, very few mid tier USN BB captains who are able to handle such a situation uccessfully, and even they depend dramatically on RNG. I won´t complain, it´s fun to do when you are the DD, but i can understand the rage and frustration of the BB players...

 

 

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So I don’t know how everyone else feels but I’m fed up with DDs having an advantage over BBs

 

DD's are supposed to have an advantage over BB's. The only question is, why is that advantage so small when other counter classes are much better at their job?

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These ships are just so slow and lack that much accuracy and secondary firepower, that any halfway skilled DD captain can easily yolo them and torp them out of the water from 1-2 km.

If i spott one of these BBs with my Gremy, and it is without escort, it is practically dead steel. There are only very, very few mid tier USN BB captains who are able to handle such a situation uccessfully, and even they depend dramatically on RNG. I won´t complain, it´s fun to do when you are the DD, but i can understand the rage and frustration of the BB players...

 

That's more a testament of the skill level of many BB players IMO, and maybe also that most DD players that get anywhere farther than the first couple of tiers likely has some talent for it since DD's are so much more unforgiving to making mistakes than other classes. To the point, even those slow low-mid tier USN BB's have a not insignificant chance of dodging a large portion of a torpedo spread even if they straightline up until the torp warning goes off. When playing at those kinds of tiers, very often I see BB players who, even as 4 torps are heading straight for them and they are well within detection range continue to ignore the threat, get hit by every torp and die, then goes to whine about DD's/torps being OP in chat.

 

VS a good BB player on the other hand, the only way to reliably sink that BB is yoloing into suicide range to make every torp connect, hoping they do and that the BB sinks and then limp away with whatever health is left. At any kind of range a decent BB player will dodge several of those torps, meaning they survive if not already low on health. It generally comes down to launching spread after spread from concealment and occasionally hitting some unlucky sod who happens to sail into your torps. As the games move onto high tiers it gets almost ridiculous, since only a moron or someone who is AFK is going to take the number of torp hits needed to bring down a BB.4.

 

Also, that logic of "anything that deals more than it's own hitpoints is good" is pretty flawed IMO. First of all, the game isn't won by damage alone. But more importantly, extrapolate to see the implications of what you are saying: Your logic implies that a ship with 50 HP that does 500 HP damage a shot is immensely more powerful than one with 500k HP that does 250k damage a hit. Not sure I'd prefer a team of all 50 HP ships in that scenario.

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The people like you are the reason every player who even touches BB gets called "BB mafia", which really annoys me. Thx for that :)

 

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