Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
You need to play a total of 50 battles to post in this section.
Elegant1337_

5-6 dd´s in each team.. gj wg

182 comments in this topic

Recommended Posts

[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

 

Did i said that a dd can not be popular? Everyone can play dds and they can make 50% of tier X ships doesnt matter. Problem is that f*cking MM which places 6-7 dds in a team.

 but the figures point to my last comment

I said

These figures seem to point to the 6DD per team in a battle is the Exception Rather than the Rule! so what was you issue again?

 

 Though i have a lot of games I am only Tier 8 max and thats the Tirpitz as I love ships so i am playing All ship lines apart from Jap CV. and have all lines to Tier 6 or 7. I do not often see very heavy DD battles But when i do the other ships on you team MUST support the DD's. The team that wins teh DD fight probably will win the game if they have a few DD's left after all enemy DD's are dead.But the losing team normally lost because there BB/CA/CV ignored the DD battle while the winning team ships supported there DD's...

 

 

And if i have done it correct using the site Kirasa linked Higher tier games (so i assume 6+) have 38% DD..

 

so 50% DD in a  team is probably very rare!!! also you have to look at the other side!! when there is 1 or 2 DD in a a team facing a large number of Cruisers they will struggle to do well

Edited by T0byJug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 but the figures point to my last comment

I said

These figures seem to point to the 6DD per team in a battle is the Exception Rather than the Rule! so what was you issue again?

 

 Though i have a lot of games I am only Tier 8 max and thats the Tirpitz as I love ships so i am playing All ship lines apart from Jap CV. and have all lines to Tier 6 or 7. I do not often see very heavy DD battles But when i do the other ships on you team MUST support the DD's. The team that wins teh DD fight probably will win the game if they have a few DD's left after all enemy DD's are dead.But the losing team normally lost because there BB/CA/CV ignored the DD battle while the winning team ships supported there DD's...

 

 

And if i have done it correct using the site Kirasa linked Higher tier games (so i assume 6+) have 38% DD..

 

so 50% DD in a  team is probably very rare!!! also you have to look at the other side!! when there is 1 or 2 DD in a a team facing a large number of Cruisers they will struggle to do well

My suggestion is to limit the number of dds per team so there can be no other exeptions! (well its more than an exeption). Would be a problem to get 4 CVs per game as an exeption? sure. what did wg do? They limited it. So is there any exeption now about CVs? no. any problems about cvs? the only problem is the lack of cvs not the high number of them per team.  Again im not saying that the dds are op or they must be nerfed. I am saying that the amount of dds per team must be limited like cvs. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

My suggestion is to limit the number of dds per team so there can be no other exeptions! (well its more than an exeption). Would be a problem to get 4 CVs per game as an exeption? sure. what did wg do? They limited it. So is there any exeption now about CVs? no. any problems about cvs? the only problem is the lack of cvs not the high number of them per team.  Again im not saying that the dds are op or they must be nerfed. I am saying that the amount of dds per team must be limited like cvs. 

 

so we limit the number of CV then the number of DD. What next? you start getting the same number of each ship in each game! this increases waiting time to start as match maker struggles to find matches and makes the game borring...

 

I like Gun DD's.. and they are most fun when there is a heavy DD presence.  do you play tansk? in tanks light tanks have it very difficult in Town maps should light never be placed in town maps NOI

 

On the Odd accusation DD's have a heavy presence and this causers problems for BB  or CA so what.. Other games when a Gun DD is in a battle mainly made up of BB/CA and 2 carriers will find it very hard to acheave any thing... they have to live with it.

 

 

Look at the numbers i have posted above.. In the last week DD have made up 27% (got my maths wrong) for total Tier 10 ships in game. BB 33% CA 35% and CV the rest. If the number of tier 10 DD was in the 40 or 50% then yes there would be a problem and it would need to be balanced But its not so there is no issue

Edited by T0byJug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Alpha Tester
17,384 posts
5,400 battles

My suggestion is to limit the number of dds per team so there can be no other exeptions! (well its more than an exeption). Would be a problem to get 4 CVs per game as an exeption? sure. what did wg do? They limited it. So is there any exeption now about CVs? no. any problems about cvs? the only problem is the lack of cvs not the high number of them per team.  Again im not saying that the dds are op or they must be nerfed. I am saying that the amount of dds per team must be limited like cvs. 

 

Good, if we also limit the amount of BB's to 4 max ( same as your DD 'limit' right ). 

 

edit: 

 

Actually no, why would I do that... BB loves feasting on so many CA's, let's remove some CA's and add some DD's. Sorry BB lover, not going to fly :D

Edited by mtm78

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 

Good, if we also limit the amount of BB's to 4 max ( same as your DD 'limit' right ). 

 

edit: 

 

Actually no, why would I do that... BB loves feasting on so many CA's, let's remove some CA's and add some DD's. Sorry BB lover, not going to fly :D

 

You can limit what ever you want im ok with 4 bb limition. And if you see a problem about mm go ahead and open a topic. Maybe WG pays attention.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 

so we limit the number of CV then the number of DD. What next? you start getting the same number of each ship in each game! this increases waiting time to start as match maker struggles to find matches and makes the game borring...

 

I like Gun DD's.. and they are most fun when there is a heavy DD presence.  do you play tansk? in tanks light tanks have it very difficult in Town maps should light never be placed in town maps NOI

 

On the Odd accusation DD's have a heavy presence and this causers problems for BB  or CA so what.. Other games when a Gun DD is in a battle mainly made up of BB/CA and 2 carriers will find it very hard to acheave any thing... they have to live with it.

 

 

Look at the numbers i have posted above.. In the last week DD have made up 27% (got my maths wrong) for total Tier 10 ships in game. BB 33% CA 35% and CV the rest. If the number of tier 10 DD was in the 40 or 50% then yes there would be a problem and it would need to be balanced But its not so there is no issue

 

I say what i saw in battles like the guys who opened that topic. Everyday we have an exeption then. not even just one many. 

And i like the gunboats too and having really fun with my kiev. so what? Look mate i dont know if you have tier 9 or tier 10 ship and i dont now how often you are playing them but i suggest you to play that ships. We can built a division if you want. so you can see that there are "exeptions"  and how often they are.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Players
1,438 posts

Lol you are really funny. I hope i see you in my enemy team, than i can educate you. well it looks like its gonna take time you to get in battles, which you allready make comment about. I have been explaining it for pages. You can read the other topic i dont want to explain all of it again.

 

I would love to meet in a battle; from what you've been saying I wouldn't have much to worry about (neither would the other 6 DDs) :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

 

You can limit what ever you want im ok with 4 bb limition. And if you see a problem about mm go ahead and open a topic. Maybe WG pays attention.

 

on the hole there is no problem with match making! There was an issue wargaming noticed that Battles were getting CV heavy and Carriers were outperforming other classes so they limited the Number of CV's. This went a long way to rebalance the classes. The subsequent changes to high tier CV i wont comment on as i dont really know if they were needed

 

DD's just dont seem to be outperforming the other Classes of ships (to the stats that i can find) so again i see no issue

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Players
1,438 posts

 I do not often see very heavy DD battles But when i do the other ships on you team MUST support the DD's. The team that wins teh DD fight probably will win the game if they have a few DD's left after all enemy DD's are dead.But the losing team normally lost because there BB/CA/CV ignored the DD battle while the winning team ships supported there DD's...

 

Holy crap! where is the Wayne's World Smiley that bows down in admiration? You are a wise man my friend and I couldn't agree more!  :honoring: (and I am being serious!!!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

Can't you just wait for the good cruiser captains to catch on to the trend and start obliterating dds?

 

It would be perfect but if there are too many dds ca captains cant do too much.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

 

Holy crap! where is the Wayne's World Smiley that bows down in admiration? You are a wise man my friend and I couldn't agree more!  :honoring: (and I am being serious!!!)

 

LOL thanks!! i have been playing my DD's a Lot! games where CA supported me we won the DD fight games where it was the enemy that supported there DD's I lost! Nuff said

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 

 

The team that wins teh DD fight probably will win the game if they have a few DD's left after all enemy DD's are dead.But the losing team normally lost because there BB/CA/CV ignored the DD battle while the winning team ships supported there DD's...

 

 

 

Or they had simply more dds than the other team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

Or they had simply more dds than the other team.

 

This thread is about 5-6 DD on each team! not 1 team having an unbalanced number of DD compared to the other team!!!
  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Alpha Tester
17,384 posts
5,400 battles

 

This thread is about 5-6 DD on each team! not 1 team having an unbalanced number of DD compared to the other team!!!

 

Look out, he'll twist and turn till your eyes look like diner plates :popcorn:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 

This thread is about 5-6 DD on each team! not 1 team having an unbalanced number of DD compared to the other team!!!

 

Yeah it was about 5-6 DDs even 7. Most of times one team has more dds thou. You are still comparing the high tier battles with mid tier battles. I am also palying cas at mid tier to make some profit. and there you are right. if you help to dds to kill the enemy ones. you win. But it doesnt work for high tiers. CAs are not that much capable to hunt dds like they do in mid tiers. 

Edited by ghostbuster_

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

 

Yeah it was about 5-6 DDs even 7. Most of times one team has more dds thou. You are still comparing the high tier battles with mid tier battles. I am also palying cas at mid tier to make some profit. and there you are right. if you help to dds to kill the enemy ones. you win. But it doesnt work for high tiers. CAs are not that much capable to hunt dds like they do in mid tiers. 

 

but the games where there are 5-6 or even 7 DD per team are not happening often! in the Figures i have posted (even with my mistake DD's do not make up on average 1/3 of the team let alone half! infact CA and BB percentages are significantly higher than DD. Over complicate the Match maker when it is not nessesery will increase Waiting times and damage the game. On a rare occasion  you will get a DD heavy game that means the DD's will have a field day!!! Thats the nature of random battles Some games that match making is not in you ship (or tanks ) favour. Man (or woman) up next game there will probably be a lown Gun DD on the Ocean  map facing 5 or 6 CA and that DD will know he will not be doing much that match.

 

and going by the figures it is statistically  more likely for DD's to be out numberd by CA in high tier games by almost 10%

Edited by T0byJug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

 

but the games where there are 5-6 or even 7 DD per team are not happening often! in the Figures i have posted (even with my mistake DD's do not make up on average 1/3 of the team let alone half! infact CA and BB percentages are significantly higher than DD. Over complicate the Match maker when it is not nessesery will increase Waiting times and damage the game. On a rare occasion  you will get a DD heavy game that means the DD's will have a field day!!! Thats the nature of random battles Some games that match making is not in you ship (or tanks ) favour. Man (or woman) up next game there will probably be a lown Gun DD on the Ocean  map facing 5 or 6 CA and that DD will know he will not be doing much that match.

 

and going by the figures it is statistically  more likely for DD's to be out numberd by CA in high tier games by almost 10%

here is the problem. They do happen often. Its the problem. I have seen lots of battles where were only 1 or 2 CA but 5-6 DDs. Thats why i have been writing stuff for pages. If that wouldnt happen that often, i wouldnt even read that topic. Its not 1 or 2 battles per day. And i am playing every night, and every night the same MM.

Edited by ghostbuster_

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

View PostT0byJug, on 07 December 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

but the games where there are 5-6 or even 7 DD per team are not happening often! in the Figures i have posted (even with my mistake DD's do not make up on average 1/3 of the team let alone half! infact CA and BB percentages are significantly higher than DD. Over complicate the Match maker when it is not nessesery will increase Waiting times and damage the game. On a rare occasion  you will get a DD heavy game that means the DD's will have a field day!!! Thats the nature of random battles Some games that match making is not in you ship (or tanks ) favour. Man (or woman) up next game there will probably be a lown Gun DD on the Ocean  map facing 5 or 6 CA and that DD will know he will not be doing much that match.

 

and going by the figures it is statistically  more likely for DD's to be out numberd by CA in high tier games by almost 10%

here is the problem. They do happen often. Its the problem. I have seen lots of battles where were only 1 or 2 CA but 5-6 DDs. Thats why i have been writing stuff for pages. If that wouldnt happen that often, i wouldnt even read that topic. Its not 1 or 2 battles per day. And i am playing every night, and every night the same MM.

Well it must be the time of day you play then! As if it was happaning to you often the stats would support your statement But they dont! Look at the numbers from the stats pages Tier 8-10 there are in the region of 5-10% more CA than DD being brought to the game

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[FIFO]
Beta Tester
431 posts
1,473 battles

Well it must be the time of day you play then! As if it was happaning to you often the stats would support your statement But they dont! Look at the numbers from the stats pages Tier 8-10 there are in the region of 5-10% more CA than DD being brought to the game

 

what stats page are you looking at, how recent/old or specified are these stats?

its a bit odd if the whole thread acknowledges the high number of top tier DD's since some recent patch and a stats page states the opposite.

 

I can also get the CA drop in high tiers, almost every balance related thread of the forums basically calls the high tier CA a exp piniata (or at least easy to kill)...doesn't actually promote getting them. (and this too makes it somewhat unlikely that they are played more often then the destroyer or battleship) 

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[BAD-A]
[BAD-A]
Beta Tester
1,707 posts
15,885 battles

Problem is that cruiser play is quite boring, too slow to nip around, too weak to slug it out, so you are left with long to medium range spamming while trying g to get someone else to tank the damage for you... BB got big guns, big HP, big armour and big range... DD got camo, good guns, and good toros, and nimble as hell and fast.... So why would anyone really play anything other than DD or BB?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[SCRUB]
Quality Poster
4,506 posts
15,434 battles

Well it must be the time of day you play then! As if it was happaning to you often the stats would support your statement But they dont! Look at the numbers from the stats pages Tier 8-10 there are in the region of 5-10% more CA than DD being brought to the game

 

what stats page are you looking at, how recent/old or specified are these stats?

its a bit odd if the whole thread acknowledges the high number of top tier DD's since some recent patch and a stats page states the opposite.

 

I can also get the CA drop in high tiers, almost every balance related thread of the forums basically calls the high tier CA a exp piniata (or at least easy to kill)...doesn't actually promote getting them. (and this too makes it somewhat unlikely that they are played more often then the destroyer or battleship) 

This was posted by Kirasa

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151121/eu_week/average_class.html numbers from 2 weeks ago

 

I was using http://warshipstats.com/ for my figures. this one is for all time.

 

if you look back through thread there is only a few people stating they are seeing 5 or 6 DD per team ALL the time.

 

Has there been an increase in DD in game. Yes most defiantly. The increase in points for capping has ment games  often have 3 or 4 DD per team sometimes more. From before when in tier 6+ would often have 1 or  2 DD.

Edited by T0byJug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[BLOBS]
Beta Tester
5,088 posts
10,152 battles

 

what stats page are you looking at, how recent/old or specified are these stats?

its a bit odd if the whole thread acknowledges the high number of top tier DD's since some recent patch and a stats page states the opposite.

 

I can also get the CA drop in high tiers, almost every balance related thread of the forums basically calls the high tier CA a exp piniata (or at least easy to kill)...doesn't actually promote getting them. (and this too makes it somewhat unlikely that they are played more often then the destroyer or battleship)

 

Its a question of survivability. A DD that can keep firing Torps unspoted (and BTW not only IJN but US can do that also at T7 plus. A Gearing has exactly the same Stealth rating than a Shima BTW) is more likely to survive than and 12 pls km spoing range CA that will do down in 2 to 3 good BB salvos (and you cant dodge all while still trying to screen your team unless you want to hide behind your BBs) . Also with the loss of CV Players especally US CA lose an predictable income from Planekills as well as now having ships who have semi useless Captain skills and Modules installed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[FIFO]
Beta Tester
431 posts
1,473 battles

 

Its a question of survivability. A DD that can keep firing Torps unspoted (and BTW not only IJN but US can do that also at T7 plus. A Gearing has exactly the same Stealth rating than a Shima BTW) is more likely to survive than and 12 pls km spoing range CA that will do down in 2 to 3 good BB salvos (and you cant dodge all while still trying to screen your team unless you want to hide behind your BBs) . Also with the loss of CV Players especally US CA lose an predictable income from Planekills as well as now having ships who have semi useless Captain skills and Modules installed.

 

this in one form or another is being stated all the time, CA's die very easily to their very popular counter on the top 2 tiers (well basically anything, but being obliterated by opposing BB fire is the most common statement) and have to tiptoe around to get anything done. 

 

AA effect has always been questionable, it generally didn't pay off a lot. while it is often stated that AA on cruisers is great against the CV, many threads concerning cruisers would much rather sacrifice the AA for anything else (deu to being less usefull if no CV was present, or the lack of reward)..as it didn't pay off in XP or credits. and didn't seem to matter in the greater scene of things as the CV's had the far superior AA options in their fighters and BB's themselves often had superior AA ratings making the only useful aspect the defensive barrage skill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
[CR33D]
Players
3,028 posts
15,529 battles

The average battles of dds is more than any other ships at high tier according to that link you posted. So that means for example: a shimikaze did more battles than a yamato.

Any way the statistics doesnt have to support what i said. I get that kind of battles everyday and im sure im not alone. Because im generally play with friends so they have the same problem as i have.

Edited by ghostbuster_

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×