DD matchmaking in higher tiers

[Hentai__Senpai]

Hello forum dwellers! I've got a question to all of you, do you often encounter this kind of MM i higher tiers? Recently i'm getting this type of MM all over again, and i can say that it isn't fun for anyone. Seems to me that the meta has changed and DDs are the main choice of many players now. I could post more screenshots, but i think these three sum it all up.  

[ColonelPete]

I do not see a problem.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Also seeing this at tier 7-8ish post 5.1.3.

 

4-5 dds/team seems to be the norm. 

[Tyrendian89]

well the last one is a bit extreme with four Shimas on one team, but other than that those are perfectly normal battles to my eyes... if anything I'm glad to see less World of Battleships at high tiers these days; just had a Ranked where my Amagi (yes not strictly high tier game but still) was the only battleship and there were a total of seven destroyers (good mix of IJN torpers and USN and SN gunboats too) - which made for one hell of a fun game!

[devorrio]

I a "not so happy" Izumo player. All I see in my battles is wave & wave & wave & wave of torps. 4-5 T9-T10 DD's - good luck with that buddy, 90% of the time trying to move from A -> B and dodging torps.

 

You don't see a problem Pete ? Well think again cose I don't see any carriers. Carriers used to zone those DDs and made them to think twice before torping from 15km under stealth conditions. That broken balance with carriers I think it was better then what we have in this patch. But it's just my opinion, like someone cares. I know what kind of matches I play and the "fun" I have.

[AgarwaenME]

"We told you so"

 

CVs got nerfed until they aren't a counter to BBs anymore, removing the actual reason to play USN CAs.

BBs got buffed and CA/CL HE got nerfed until it wasn't a matter of BBs just being heavily favoured, but where they could dominate no matter skill differences.

 

Thus you get a meta were you either play BBs, or you play the class that can damage them properly, and stay out of sight of their click-roll dice-sink you- guns.

[tobdyls]

I agree with that. No one wants to plays CVs anymore so DDs can remain unspotted. If you don't like playing BBs destroyers are your best choice.  

[Hentai__Senpai]

"We told you so"

 

CVs got nerfed until they aren't a counter to BBs anymore, removing the actual reason to play USN CAs.

BBs got buffed and CA/CL HE got nerfed until it wasn't a matter of BBs just being heavily favoured, but where they could dominate no matter skill differences.

 

Thus you get a meta were you either play BBs, or you play the class that can damage them properly, and stay out of sight of their click-roll dice-sink you- guns.

I miss CVs quite a lot, never had a real big problem with them and at the moment all US cruisers are just worthless without any real threat to counter, besides hordes of DDs.

[ColonelPete]

I a "not so happy" Izumo player. All I see in my battles is wave & wave & wave & wave of torps. 4-5 T9-T10 DD's - good luck with that buddy, 90% of the time trying to move from A -> B and dodging torps.

 

You don't see a problem Pete ? Well think again cose I don't see any carriers. Carriers used to zone those DDs and made them to think twice before torping from 15km under stealth conditions. That broken balance with carriers I think it was better then what we have in this patch. But it's just my opinion, like someone cares. I know what kind of matches I play and the "fun" I have.

 

That is what your DDs do, detecting other DDs.

And all these "waves" of torpedos seem to be nothing more than a nuisance when the average Kagero does 70% of the damage of the average Izumo. That is roughly one half of a BB per game.

[ghostbuster_]

Hello forum dwellers! I've got a question to all of you, do you often encounter this kind of MM i higher tiers? Recently i'm getting this type of MM all over again, and i can say that it isn't fun for anyone. Seems to me that the meta has changed and DDs are the main choice of many players now. I could post more screenshots, but i think these three sum it all up.  

 

I completely agree with this and to your question: yes. I have even seen worse. Enemy team had 3 shimas, 1 gearing and 2 kageros. And it was not fun at all even for ca players.

[Vulgarny]

Dead of CV always meant rise of DDs. It was since alpha that way.

[canuckster]

Wow, can you imagine what would happen if the Japenese DDs got the increased torpedo stealth buff people have been asking for in the DD forum? Poor BB players, you should be allowed to sail in a straight line right? Or do that thing where you sit still and move back and forth only so slightly.

[ghostbuster_]

Wow, can you imagine what would happen if the Japenese DDs got the increased torpedo stealth buff people have been asking for in the DD forum? Poor BB players, you should be allowed to sail in a straight line right? Or do that thing where you sit still and move back and forth only so slightly.

 

dear poor dd player,

It is fine they can get stealth buff. We wouldnt complain about that if there are cvs again. The only thing that we complain about is the number of dds in a team. Next time read more carefully before you make a comment.

[anonym_chQ82JL8bq48]

Dont expect more high tier players to come. Server population is decreasing since October. 

[RayTru]

Its especially bad in Ranked battles, last 10 or so battles its about 5 DDs in every team, leaving me in a BB  mostly dodging torps (cant shoot what I cant see), making the gameplay more annoying then fun. I tried to enter with DD and was met with waiting times over 7 mins... Something is badly wrong, soon the game will be called - World of Destroyers, cause it will be the only class left, in Ranked at least....

[mtm78]

Also seeing this at tier 7-8ish post 5.1.3.

 

4-5 dds/team seems to be the norm. 

 

Good norm, sounds like a quite realistic team composition. As long as both teams have comparable compositions it's fine imo. 

 

Dead of CV always meant rise of DDs. It was since alpha that way.

 

Idk about Alpha, wasn't here, but that this is the direct result of CV nerf alone isn't true. The increased rewards for capping are also pushing people to DD's as it's a lot easier to get a lot of XP on them.

[ghostbuster_]

I do not see a problem.

 

you will see the problem when you play it yourself.

[ColonelPete]

 

you will see the problem when you play it yourself.

 

Since I know quite well how torpedos work and what must happen that they hit, I doubt that very much.

[Vulgarny]

 

Good norm, sounds like a quite realistic team composition. As long as both teams have comparable compositions it's fine imo. 

 

 

Idk about Alpha, wasn't here, but that this is the direct result of CV nerf alone isn't true. The increased rewards for capping are also pushing people to DD's as it's a lot easier to get a lot of XP on them.

 

Nope.......lack of CV is most important factor......

[mtm78]

I agree it's probably the most important factor, just said it's not the only factor. I know players who are now playing DD's because of the xp increase for capping ( but you're right, with CV's lacking currently DD's do have it a lot easier so it's hard to say what the effect of the change to the reward system would be without CV nerf ).

[Gunship14]

Whenever that happens I just stay back and let the cruisers/my team's DDs go first (if I'm playing BB). What happens if they don't? Well, I'm assuming that, since 6 DDs per side is normal, so is BBs sniping 20 kms away. "Good norm, sounds like a quite realistic battleship behavior."

[mtm78]

Whenever that happens I just stay back and let the cruisers/my team's DDs go first (if I'm playing BB). What happens if they don't? Well, I'm assuming that, since 6 DDs per side is normal, so is BBs sniping 20 kms away. "Good norm, sounds like a quite realistic battleship behavior."

 

But again, you're blaming the shortcomings of your team members on the overall game mechanics and that doesn't fly. Instead of complaining about 6 dd's per side, complain that your friendly DD's and CA's are doing it wrong. 

[Gunship14]

 

But again, you're blaming the shortcomings of your team members on the overall game mechanics and that doesn't fly. Instead of complaining about 6 dd's per side, complain that your friendly DD's and CA's are doing it wrong. 

Well I imagine even a baltimore is big enough, but not powerful enough, to be sunk in a devastating strike by 2 shimas without even sinking 1. Fewer cruisers is another consequence of the overabundance of DDs. And what about the messed up balance that happens way too often? Gearings Shimas Khabarovsks on 1 side vs a Kagero and a Fletcher?

 

If this is normal, then so should 7-8 BBs per side be. After all, people should be blaming their DDs (usually 1 or 2 in these cases) for not doing their job correctly.

[mtm78]

Well I imagine even a baltimore is big enough, but not powerful enough, to be sunk in a devastating strike by 2 shimas without even sinking 1. Fewer cruisers is another consequence of the overabundance of DDs. And what about the messed up balance that happens way too often? Gearings Shimas Khabarovsks on 1 side vs a Kagero and a Fletcher?

 

If this is normal, then so should 7-8 BBs per side be. After all, people should be blaming their DDs (usually 1 or 2 in these cases) for not doing their job correctly.

 

Omg I already said many times 'it's ok as long as it's balanced' and you loose an argument and come back with: But what about if the team's aren't balanced.

 

[Gunship14]

 

Omg I already said many times 'it's ok as long as it's balanced' and you loose an argument and come back with: But what about if the team's aren't balanced.

 

The point is, the game isn't balanced around teams that consist of big numbers of DDs. They are meant to have a lot of cruisers. Calling this a "norm" is a lie at best, without bringing up the realism argument.

 

I also like that "you lose an argument", you realise we are not in the game right now? It's a freaking discussion, saying "game's over you lose I win please stop" has no place in it.