The Admiral Graf Spee

[Procrastes]

I'm hoping Wargaming adds the German heavy cruiser the Admiral Graf Spee as a Premium ship (preferably as a permanent item in the shop). What do you think?

I'd say she (he?) would probably be a tier VI or VII heavy cruiser, considering when the ship was laid down.

[Shaka_D]

The downside to it being a premium vessel is it will most definitely be part of a massively inflated bundled deal.

[Procrastes]

I can live with that - but I would prefer it as a permanent addition to the shop.

Actually, I feel the same way about the Tirpitz.

[Azalgor]

Just like the Bismarck/Tirpitz hype that was going on a while back, i doubt that a well known Doichland class will be available as a single ship to buy, there will be a bundle. Most likely same will happen with Sharnhost/Gneisenau as one of the famous raiders. 

 

[IamTroublemaker]

I think we can expect WG to abuse this bundle thing for some more time, but I got a feeling they will offer a certain ship/tank without the other crap included every now and then and say "WE LISTENED" and people will buy those like crazy and it won't look like they are selling us crap.

[Mr_Mistery]

Graf spee in Deutschland class pocket BB and devs say he in BB line so i dont think they add graf spee,and maybe not add in cruiser line.

but who know......

[DarwinAwards1859]

Keep asing things for them to add in Premium shop...

[wongman66]

For the US, what about the Yorktown class carriers and especially USS Enterprise? Their most decorated ship of WW2.

 

 

[Shaka_D]

Graf spee in Deutschland class pocket BB and devs say he in BB line so i dont think they add graf spee,and maybe not add in cruiser line.

but who know......

 

No sarcasm intended here but given your nick, i.e. Mr_Mystery, I find it applicable when trying to decipher what you just wrote.

[spitfireace3]

So long as the Deutschland class is in the main tree i don't really mind. Although they cannot just make all their premium ships well known versions of a class already in the tree. 

[OVanBruce]

I'd love Graf Spee too. As a tier VIII cruiser with 18 or so secs reload, superior penetration and alpha damage, enough to pen reliably and hardtier VI BBs or below at max distance, medium distance for BBs tier VII and VIII.Good HE as well as AP. Flimsy armor, subpar health, slow turrets. Zao tier railguns. Your usual 6 km crappy torps. Good manouverability, subpar AA. Usual long range german guns, lower detectability than usual on german cruisers.

 

I think this characteristics could make her an interesting and hopefully balanced ship.

[Spellfire40]

I'd love Graf Spee too. As a tier VIII cruiser with 18 or so secs reload, superior penetration and alpha damage, enough to pen reliably and hardtier VI BBs or below at max distance, medium distance for BBs tier VII and VIII.Good HE as well as AP. Flimsy armor, subpar health, slow turrets. Zao tier railguns. Your usual 6 km crappy torps. Good manouverability, subpar AA. Usual long range german guns, lower detectability than usual on german cruisers.

 

I think this characteristics could make her an interesting and hopefully balanced ship.

 

Tirpitz has subpar HE, any german CA has subpar HE what makes you thing 28cm german guns magically be any better? 6 28cam rather slow speed would make a really crapy CA (and despite what everyone says the Deutschland Klasse were CA). With 3 units preduced it would be a waste to keep the class as Prem and not line CA variant. Problem is the placement. T6 might be a bit OP but posible since irs slower has worse Torps than the Aoba and less Guns than the Clevland. With around 28kn it would have a hard time outruning Faster BBs. Level 7 its just geting outguned unless its gun are pinpoint wich Tirpitz dosent seems to sugest on her 38cm she has a hard time there.

 

Either way Deutschland would make the better Prem. she at lest seen some AA upgrades so teh Anti Air cooldown isnt totally wasted.

[OVanBruce]

There is no stone set rule that german HE has to allways be crappy. In fact Yorck HE is decent. To comment on Graf Spee's characteristics, having Zao tier shell arc and speed, good HE and increased pen and alpha damage are enough to compensate.

[thepasty]

Wasnt the Graf Spee designed as a raider? good armement but lacking in armour for speed. a good CV hunter maybe?

[OVanBruce]

a good CV hunter maybe?

 

I dunno from where to start. Let's just say no since she had REALLY crappy AA irl.

[Thorkell_TheTall]

well if they add Deutschland class cruiser in the game, i don't really care if they will add or not Graf Spee, to many premium ships is not good,

[Tubit101]

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of anything "premium".

 

There's a constant pressure to make premium ships better than regular ships, because "I paid a lot of money for this" - which ultimately pushes the game towards P2W. No sir, I don't like it.

[Spellfire40]

Well the only way not make Graf Spee worse than a regular Deutschland class as a Prem is to not add the later to the game wich would be a huge loss because its one of the more numberous capital ship class wich actuall existed and isnt a WG Blueprint found by a drunken sailor on a beach somewere. Graf Spee being sunk 1939 didt get any upgrades the ships that  survived most of the war did.

[thepasty]

 

I dunno from where to start. Let's just say no since she had REALLY crappy AA irl.

 

I meant CA!

[Myrmix]

No. I want it to be in the german tech tree.

[t0ffik1]

I'd love Graf Spee too. As a tier VIII cruiser with 18 or so secs reload, superior penetration and alpha damage, enough to pen reliably and hardtier VI BBs or below at max distance, medium distance for BBs tier VII and VIII.Good HE as well as AP. Flimsy armor, subpar health, slow turrets. Zao tier railguns. Your usual 6 km crappy torps. Good manouverability, subpar AA. Usual long range german guns, lower detectability than usual on german cruisers.

 

I think this characteristics could make her an interesting and hopefully balanced ship.

 

Yeah its not like a tier 7-8 german cruisers can reliably citadel North Carolina with AP from +-13km already huh? 

[Procrastes]

Either way Deutschland would make the better Prem. she at lest seen some AA upgrades so teh Anti Air cooldown isnt totally wasted.

 

Well, I do prefer a cruiser to have good AA. But maybe that is one reason to put the Deutschland in the regular German tech tree and lay down the Graf Spee as a premium? A comparable and fully upgraded ship in the regular tree should be a bit better than a same-tier premium, after all.

 

well if they add Deutschland class cruiser in the game, i don't really care if they will add or not Graf Spee, to many premium ships is not good,

 

Maybe not, but every tech tree should have at least a few premiums in the standard shop. Right now the Germans have none. And those ships who for some reason have acquired special fame or notoriety are good choices for premium ships. Put in the Tirpitz and the Graf Spee, I say! And for the same reason, the WW1 light cruiser Emden would be a good candidate for a tier 2 premium!

[RamirezKurita]

We will never see Graf Spee as a regular ship in the game, as regular ships in the game are representative of entire classes rather than single ships. Similar to how the Bismarck-class is already in the game code as a T8 battleship, while Tirpitz is a T8 premium. However it would be nice to see the Deutschland-class in the game as regular ships at T7 or so (as I think WG are planning to have the German cruiser tree split into cruisers and panzerschiffe around that point), with Graf Spee being a special premium as an alternative at the same tier.

[Admiral_noodle]

The downside to it being a premium vessel is it will most definitely be part of a massively inflated bundled deal.

 

Extremely famous ship. High demand. 

 

Of course it would be in a bundle. 

 

And i would have to think hard about whether to get it. 

[Tugnut]

the thing is..... WGing have a funny habbit of adding real life problems to ships... so would this ship have a scuttle button (j/k) or it will be too easy to citadel and 1 shot!