Huehue, Sweden and Denmark

[Vogel]

Continuing the (un)friendly competitiveness between the Scandinavian nations, it would seem that our navy got in tothe game before yours! Let's celebrate with some lutefisk! 

 

Now, how much must I pay to WG to get ahold of these beauties. I expect the tactical diameter and camouflage rating to be outstanding. I expect the hand-potato to be the primary armament, so it won't lack in offensive capabilities as well. It would seem to have limited armour, but the raw materials were used by the Royal Navy. And if it was good enough for them, then I expect it is good enough for us as well.

 

Source: Reddit

[blacklabpictures]

Any women on board?

[Vogel]

Right now they are inside the cabins and enjoying a £7 pint of beer, as per usual in Norway.

[blacklabpictures]

Egzpensive. Hope they are as beautiful as those boats in there ;)

[Meneleus]

Continuing the (un)friendly competitiveness between the Scandinavian nations, it would seem that our navy got in tothe game before yours! Let's celebrate with some lutefisk!

 

Well, could have been worse... You could have been celebrated with surströmming...

 

On the other hand one can argue in that case the women would have jumped overboard for an impromptu wet t-shirt contest.

 

Cheers, M

[Vogel]

But, but.. lutefisk is delicious. Really, I'm not joking.

[Meneleus]

These Scandinavian seafood dishes strike me as endless terror.

[Kurbain]

Any women on board?

 

 Sorry to disappoint you blacklab, but I've heard most Norwegian women are currently on the German vessels since we got cheaper and better beer. 

 

But, but.. lutefisk is delicious. Really, I'm not joking.

 

A true testament to the adaptability and resilience of the human species.

 

 

 

[Nechrom]

I'm content with having Swedish guns on the playable ships for now. 

The small victories.

[Tubit101]

If I was captain on one of those, I'd pop over to Sweden and stock up on øl and godis.

[Celandri]

nah the females are inside the houses making blod komle og sur sild. (blood raspballs, and sour brislings) while the men is drinking hjemmebrent (homemade spirits)

[Hauptbahnhof]

I'm content with having Swedish guns on the playable ships for now. 

The small victories.

 

Actually only the original blueprint was Swedish.

 

The guns were all made in US/UK, and the blueprint was heavily modified to be possible to mass-produce.

[Nechrom]

 

Actually only the original blueprint was Swedish.

 

The guns were all made in US/UK, and the blueprint was heavily modified to be possible to mass-produce.

 

I'm not just talking about one model of gun.

Many ships have Swedish AA guns under different designations, but the Błyskawica for example has Swedish main guns.

[Hauptbahnhof]

Interesting.That I didn't know

 

[Berrserkr]

When talking about the Scandinavian countries during WWII and their ships one has to mention the Sverige class coastal defence ships (Sverigeklassen pansarskepp").

Wikipedia: "It has been suggested that the Sverige class ships were one reason why Germany did not invade Sweden during World War II. This speculation appeared in Warship Magazine 1992 Edition, in the article 'The Sverige Class Coastal Defence Ships, by Daniel G Harris.' This could partly said to be confirmed in the post war publication of German tactical orders, and when tactical scenarios regarding attacking Sweden was published."

Wikipedia: "The Sverige-class ships differed in several ways from the classical coastal defence ship; at first by heavier armament as well as better speed and armour, but still small enough to operate and hide in the archipelagos and shallow waters . But the main difference was to be noted in their tactical doctrine and operations. Unlike other coastal defence ships the "Sverige-class" formed the core of a traditional open sea battle group (Kustflottan), operating with cruisers, destroyers, torpedo boats and air reconnaissance like traditional battleship tactics of the time. This “mini-battle group” had no intention to challenge the superpowers in blue sea battles but to operate as defensive shield to aggression challenging Swedish interests and territory. Based on the doctrine that you need a battle group, to challenge a battle groups this force intended to form a problematic obstacle in the confined and shallow Baltic and Kattegat theatre where traditional large warships would be limited to very predictable moving patterns exposing them to submarines, fast torpedo crafts and minefields."
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige-class_coastal_defence_ship

More pictures of the three ships in the Sverigeklassen at the Sweidsh Wikipedia page: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverigeklass

[Hauptbahnhof]

The most interesting part of the Sverige class is how it came to be.

 

The politicians and government were against the idea, and it was hotly debated during 1912.

So the public took matters into their own hands and raised over 15 million Swedish kronor which in today's value corresponds to around 76 million €, enough to build a single new "pansarskepp", the Sverige. The donation was accepted by the politicians and during the great war they ordered two more sister ships to be built.

[TheJezna]

Interesting.That I didn't know

 

Sweden was and still is one of the biggest suppliers of weapons and defense material in the world. Which is in itself quite ironic since Sweden haven't been at war since 1809 and currently have one of the paltriest and most underequipped armed forces in the world today. But have no fear, the illustrious politicians ruling the kingdom of Sweden recently decided to provide the armed forces with an addition 2 BN Euro from now until 2020. Sounds good on paper, at least until you realize that the swedish commander in chief estimated at least 3 BN would be needed just to basically maintain presently decided capabilities, and also when Russia is violating swedish (and other baltic nation's) territories on a weekly basis, making overt threats and are spending 500 BN Euro on their armed forces in the same time span.

 

As an example, Sweden has the longest Baltic coast line of any country, and also a significant western coastline. The country is also fully reliant on import shipping for basically everything. That should imply a strong navy is called for, rigth? Well, the Swedish navy consists of 9 Corvettes, 11 minesweepers, 13 patrol boats and 5 (very capable) submarines and a collection of auxiliary vessels. Out of the corvettes, the newest, stealth capable vessels of the Visby class are yet to receive their full armament, and none of the ships have sufficient AA, relying on autocannons and SAM systems based on 1970ties technology. They also lack ASM helicopters; they used to have a number of very capable such, but it was decided that these needed replacement. Some smart person decided that the old ones would be sold off before the new ones was in place. The old ones indeed got sold, the new ones are not delivered yet, and once they are in a couple of years, they still won't have ASM equipment like depth charges or sonar arrays.

 

Once that massive fleet is put out of action (if they ever get into action given the lack of air defense) the ground forces of Sweden basically consists of 1 artillery regiment with 12 guns, 1 AA regiment, using those same seventies SAM's, some 50 tanks (yea, they have about 150, but most of them are in disrepair and are put out of commission awaiting funds to service them), a couple of hundred IFV's and maybe 150 k soldiers lacking a lot of basic equipment, a lot of them being basically militia lacking any heavy weapons. They used to have 1,200 of the very advanced ATGM system developed by Bofors called "Bill", an excellent, top attack capable robot with a range of about 2,500 meters. Those all got sold off to Saudi Arabia a couple of years ago though and replaced with a system with a range of 700 meters. Logistically it's also a nightmare given that the artillery regiment is based in Boden in the very north and needs to be transported to wherever the fighting is happening (and god hope the fighting is only happening in one place), same thing with the AA which is on the west cost. The commander in chief stated last year that the capabilities of the armed forces was to defend one limited geographic area for one week, after that they would need outside help. Where that help is supposed to come from is pretty unclear though given Sweden isn't a NATO member.

 

At the same time, parts of Sweden like the island Gotland and Skåne in the south are extremely important strategic locations for any campaign in the north of Europe, one has to wonder if it's really that wise to leave such areas basically free for the picking for any actor who wants to gain dominance of the Baltic area?

 

Sorry, got a bit carried away there, just makes me angry thinking about it. Used to work in that very armed force up until I realized where things where heading, which is exactly what every other young officer or soldier is doing, the only ones staying are the old guys who have no real option, also leading to interesting situations like 1/3 of the employees in the armed forces being officers and that there are more Majors than Captains in the army, meaning that even with that many officers there is a lack of tactical troop leaders. Putting a 50 year old colonel in charge of an infantry platoon may not be the best idea regardless of how experienced he is. And the old joke (which isn't actually a joke) that the Swedish army is the only one in the world that has more generals than artillery pieces.

[Berrserkr]

Last war on Swedish soil was 1809 when we lost almost half the country (Finland) to Russia, last war were against Norway 1814 when we got Norway as compensation for the loss of Finland when we joined the Britts and the Russians against France (and Denmark, who then ruled over Norway as well) in the Napoleonic wars. The Norweigans were not happy about this and the newly elected crown prince lead a campaign against Norway.

The old king got kicked of the throne after the loss of Finland, a new one were elected but he was old and had now heirs. Therefore they grabbed a French marschal, had the king adopt him and that got him in line of the Swedish throne. They hoped that he would join France in a war against Russia to take back Finland, but he probably had a more realistic view of the Swedish, Russian and French strenght and choose to join the Britts instead. The Bernadotte line is still on the Swedish throne today.

And later Norway left the union peacefully in 1905 and Finland broke away from Russia 1917.

 

[SBS]

Egzpensive. Hope they are as beautiful as those boats in there ;)

 

If you are asking about the women. Ofcourse they are, haven't you seen the poles? Apparently Norway is famous for it's tall blond women. No idea why, oh well.

 

Also I am fine with my norwegian friends being repressented, as long as it is not those pesky swedes.

Still have not forgiven you for taking Norway from us! 

[Kurbain]

I'm content with having Swedish guns on the playable ships for now. 

The small victories.

 

Which have the smallest primary caliber of any ship from T5 to T10. I was hoping the Swedish would be packing a bit more if you know what I'm saying. 

 

 

 

Source: Reddit

 

Just put a single Yamato turret on one of those beauties, classify it as T8 and watch it wreck the high-tiers. With excellent maneuverability and a low-profile, I'm sure it can rake in excellent results!

 

[SBS]

Also, I bet that ship would have an easy time to evade torps. Is it possible that some would even pass under the ship? I have no idea about such small vessels.

[Kartoffelmos]

 

 

[xCaptainObviousx]

 

 

 

Pretty much.

[SBS]

 

Pretty much.

 

That entire series pretty much sums it up 

[Mindfulcrane07]

we need Danish ships NAU!!!