Too many dds!

[ghostbuster_]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WG should do something about it, shouldn't they?

[Vogel]

^lol, calling nerfs to the weakest class in the game ATM.

 

The reason why you see so many DDs at high-tiers is that BBs at that tier utterly demolish CAs. Since nobody then wants to play hightier CAs (disregarding T10s of both DD and the class in question), then you are left with either playing BBs or DDs. And since there are limited number of things that can spot and kill DDs quickly at high-tiers now, the number of DD players per battle will grow. Although I think you exaggerate tremendously. Nerfing high-tier BBS would actually reintroduce CAs in the long run.

 

[Reyte]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WM should do something about it, shouldn't they?

Wasnt I with u in the same battle? (The yamato who rammed you)

 

 

[OldGrandad]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WM should do something about it, shouldn't they?

 

Previous to the patch that brought us XP rewards for capturing caps, DD's were pretty much the lower class due to limited damage potential (except for the most able DD captains). Yes, they could capture those same old caps but for no reward, so many a time in order to gain decent XP, they would go off on a CV or BB hunt. Now, they are now a more important class when it comes to capping as the rewards are there to ensure they do so first before off on a big ship hunt.

 

Yes, I have seen many battles where there were similar amounts of DD's but they cancel themselves out most of the time trying to dominate said caps. On the other hand, I have been in a division of 3 DD's and we have faced only 1 enemy DD so it is more of a lottery as to how many DD's may appear in any one battle.

 

Would be interested to know at what tier you were playing when you noticed that as at tiers 7/8/9 I have not seen that many. Of course, they (WG) could limit DD's to a max of 5 per team for a start and see what effect it has from there?

[ColonelPete]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WM should do something about it, shouldn't they?

Shoot the enemy DD?

[ParEx]

Shoot the enemy DD?

Good luck when the enemy has half a braincell, and almost impossible when 2 skilled IJN DDs work together.

Had a game yesterday in my Mahan where I faced 2 Colorados and a NewMexico. Our team won, while the NM eat 4 Torps and the Colorados were burning wrecks. 80k of easy damage.

 

 

[Kenliero]

Are you saying USN DD can not shoot IJN DD? Ok...

[Adwaenyth]

Are you saying USN DD can not shoot IJN DD? Ok...

 

No, he said he was to afraid to hunt the enemy DDs so that they torped his BBs - yet still they won the battle... or did I get that wrong?

[bushwacker001]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WM should do something about it, shouldn't they?

 

When i see more than 3 or 4 DD's in the same team, you can usually rely on some of them torping each other 

[Mayv]

A Battleship captain complaining again?

What could it be this time, CVs, HE and Fire, or DDs?

 

Well CVs are a rare site these days especially at high tiers, so unless its the Essex or Midway, he us compiling about.

BBs eat CAs and CLs for breakfast if the BB captain is any good.

And DDs are the weakest class, their only saviours being idiots and the introduction of capping experience.

 

Really though if I could reliably hit even the biggest of BBs with torpedoes I might be able to see your problem but, in my opinion BBs turn and accelerate/decelerate too fast. If a BB captain hits the A or D key as soon as the torpedo warning alarm goes off they can easily evoid mist if not all torpedoes.

[Azalgor]

 Vogel what is it you smoke? DD's weakest class? Nerf high tier BB's? Right now the problems are that CV's have issues ( so they say, i dont play them ) and HE shels are half broken.

 Now to high tiers BB's, what is wrong with 1 shoting a CA? When a DD or CA detonates a full health BB with a single torp its fine? Single torp at those tier does 15 to 20+k dmg, as to score that much dmg from a single hit a BB must pray to RNGesus. DD's just spawn torp from 10 to 20 km, there are no CV's to spot them and if a cruiser wants to try and spot they get in range of BB's and get sunk, even if they manage to find one the HE do no dmg, DD's absorb them to crits and AA mounts being destroyed for 0 dmg. Thats why now DD's either cancel each other out or they dominate the BB's from the shadows.

If you sugest nerfing BB's, i as a BB player would ask to cut the torp range and dmg, as well as dmg caused by flooding...

[Mayv]

 Single torp at those tier does 15 to 20+k dmg

 

Yeah... that doesn't happen. What you listed there is the maximum torpedo damage, the same as an AP shells max damage is achieved with a citadel hit, max torpedo damage is achieved when you hit the centre of a ship that has no torpedo defenses.(that's none of the high tier BBs). Most of the time you do half damage at most. 

Also DDs can only launch torpedoes once every 90s at best on high tiers and require an enemy ship to stay on course for the next 40s to 1min at least.

[Blue_Bug]

Come on guys,

Am i the only one who annoyed with the number of dds in each battle? I saw 13 dds in a battle today! We killed the other ships (cas and bbs) and then there were nothing to shoot at. we just waited to die. WM should do something about it, shouldn't they?

 

I assume this would be a high tier batle. Hight tier batles in a CA isn't fun. As an average CA player you need the support of the BB's at high tier. Almost all BB's are camping at high tier. So as a CA you are forced to camp too. With a DD you can at least go solo hunting. 

[Dropman12]

 Vogel what is it you smoke? DD's weakest class? Nerf high tier BB's? Right now the problems are that CV's have issues ( so they say, i dont play them ) and HE shels are half broken.

 Now to high tiers BB's, what is wrong with 1 shoting a CA? When a DD or CA detonates a full health BB with a single torp its fine? Single torp at those tier does 15 to 20+k dmg, as to score that much dmg from a single hit a BB must pray to RNGesus. DD's just spawn torp from 10 to 20 km, there are no CV's to spot them and if a cruiser wants to try and spot they get in range of BB's and get sunk, even if they manage to find one the HE do no dmg, DD's absorb them to crits and AA mounts being destroyed for 0 dmg. Thats why now DD's either cancel each other out or they dominate the BB's from the shadows.

If you sugest nerfing BB's, i as a BB player would ask to cut the torp range and dmg, as well as dmg caused by flooding...

 

I like BB captains..they are always so objective.

DD are easily countered by CA and many more things, brain included). But as you said, it is hard for them because they get in range of BB and get sunk. Thats the problem. Torpedoes can be countered by so many ways, but being hit by BB? I can only hope they miss...but sure, lets nerf them. And nerf fires. And flooding. And make guns more accurate.

 

 

To OP: since when is it "wrong"? We have 3 equal clases. Why is wrong having lot of DD instead of BB (balance aside)? For me its more fun than having 10 BB per side... And I'm pretty sure every fleet had much more DD and CA and only a few BB...

[Niibler]

 i as a BB player would ask to cut the torp range and dmg, as well as dmg caused by flooding...

 

Aren't you forgetting to ask for a force field and ICBM's?

I'm not sure if you are just presenting a biased opinion to reinforce your rationale or not but there are a lot of false facts in your statement:

there are no CV's to spot them

Almost every ship has a spotting plane that even works after said ship is dead and spots torps. Also if you want more CV's don't forget the enemy team will have them too and CV torps are a LOT more hard to avoid than those from a DD so careful with what you wish or you will end up stating CVs are OP in no time for the looks of it.

 

 even if they manage to find one the HE do no dmg, DD's absorb them to crits and AA mounts being destroyed for 0 dmg.

You are saying that DD's only take damage from AP. Not even going to comment.

 

They dominate the BB's from the shadows.

If the BB is not very good sure they will, if the BB is alone likely DDs can 1vs1 but it's not a free frag if the BB has even a small idea how to BB (spotting plane, change course, change speed, secondaries, dead friendly spotting planes, DD last seen position, A + D + W + S)

Single torp at those tier does 15 to 20+k dmg, as to score that much dmg from a single hit a BB must pray to RNGesus.

While the BB can pray to RNG to do that kind of damage a DD can never do that damage in any BB with a single torp, fyi there's a thing called damage reduction that takes in account torpedo belts and armor that effectively reduces the damage taken by a BB from a single torp close to 40-50% in most cases. 

[ColonelPete]

Good luck when the enemy has half a braincell, and almost impossible when 2 skilled IJN DDs work together.

Had a game yesterday in my Mahan where I faced 2 Colorados and a NewMexico. Our team won, while the NM eat 4 Torps and the Colorados were burning wrecks. 80k of easy damage.

 

 

You missed the point I was making.

I answered to the theory that DD had nothing more to do when all enemy CV, BB and Cruiser are sunk.

[OldGrandad]

 Vogel what is it you smoke? DD's weakest class? Nerf high tier BB's? Right now the problems are that CV's have issues ( so they say, i dont play them ) and HE shels are half broken.

 Now to high tiers BB's, what is wrong with 1 shoting a CA? When a DD or CA detonates a full health BB with a single torp its fine? Single torp at those tier does 15 to 20+k dmg, as to score that much dmg from a single hit a BB must pray to RNGesus. DD's just spawn torp from 10 to 20 km, there are no CV's to spot them and if a cruiser wants to try and spot they get in range of BB's and get sunk, even if they manage to find one the HE do no dmg, DD's absorb them to crits and AA mounts being destroyed for 0 dmg. Thats why now DD's either cancel each other out or they dominate the BB's from the shadows.

If you sugest nerfing BB's, i as a BB player would ask to cut the torp range and dmg, as well as dmg caused by flooding...

 

You quote maximum damage when it should 'possible' maximum damage. Reality dictates that all ammunition whether it be shell or torpedo (or seagull eggs for that!) never do maximum damage and what you describe as 'one torp hit detonation of a BB' is just that, a detonation, it can happen equally with a shell. If you think DD's can dominate BB's you are playing them wrong, trust me I know. As soon as a BB starts to sail away from me in a DD the chase is off, a good BB captain knows when to get out of trouble.

I note the only DD experience you have is with the Gremmy which is known to be more than a capable DD. I challenge you to try the RUS DD's and 'dominate' a BB with 3-4km ranged torps! I just am at the Udaloy now, and I can tell you unless a BB hands itself on a plate to me I will steer clear of those bad boys!

 

[Vanhal]

But, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, DD are UPPPPPP ;_;

So this means either tons of players don't know that DD are UP or it's less true than some would want to believe.

Or we have serious masochist population (which would actually also explain bundle buyers).

[ghostbuster_]

Wasnt I with u in the same battle? (The yamato who rammed you)

 

 

 

Yeah you were with me. There were also too many dds but i didnt mean that battle. 

[ghostbuster_]

 

Would be interested to know at what tier you were playing when you noticed that as at tiers 7/8/9 I have not seen that many. Of course, they (WG) could limit DD's to a max of 5 per team for a start and see what effect it has from there?

I was palying tier 10s. There were 3 shimas 1 gearing and 3 other dds in enemy team. 

[Surmaaja]

After reaching tier VI with Battleships I'm too afraid to play cruisers anymore (I like Myoko and Königsberg though). I feel sorry for those poor bastards. If I want to hunt DDs I'd jump into Omaha or Russian/US DDs. If  I want to sink battleships or cruisers, I play battleship.

 

Edit: Pic related

 

 

[ghostbuster_]

A Battleship captain complaining again?

What could it be this time, CVs, HE and Fire, or DDs?

 

Well CVs are a rare site these days especially at high tiers, so unless its the Essex or Midway, he us compiling about.

BBs eat CAs and CLs for breakfast if the BB captain is any good.

And DDs are the weakest class, their only saviours being idiots and the introduction of capping experience.

 

Really though if I could reliably hit even the biggest of BBs with torpedoes I might be able to see your problem but, in my opinion BBs turn and accelerate/decelerate too fast. If a BB captain hits the A or D key as soon as the torpedo warning alarm goes off they can easily evoid mist if not all torpedoes.

 

yeah you can avoid torps from one or maybe 2 dds at the same time. but could you pls tell me how to avoid the torps from 2 shimas and 2 kageros at the same time from different direction? If someone is able to do that with big fat yamato, ok i will admit that im a noob. 

And about the weakest class, i dont agree with your opinion. Shima, gearing, and that russian tier 10 are realy powerfull to rape two bbs with full health. and cruisers are not that dramatically weak.  All of the tier 10 cas are really good in right hands. i know guys who can easly kill a yamato in 1 vs 1 combat with cas. Only problems that i see about the balance of game is the lack of cvs and that high number of dds in high tiers. 

[Lefthandjurk]

You  guys do  understand  the  reason    why  most play play  BB  and  DD   ----   right  ? 

it  called  AIM BOT 

a CA  will only last  a  few mins  with a BB and aim assit  , if  that long 

people  play DD's   because    you  can not  shot  what  you do not  see ,  making the  AIM BOT    useless   if the DD driver knows  what he  doing 

[bushwacker001]

You  guys do  understand  the  reason    why  most play play  BB  and  DD   ----   right  ? 

it  called  AIM BOT 

a CA  will only last  a  few mins  with a BB and aim assit  , if  that long 

people  play DD's   because    you  can not  shot  what  you do not  see ,  making the  AIM BOT    useless   if the DD driver knows  what he  doing 

 

Is this dumb post day or something?

[Dropman12]

 

yeah you can avoid torps from one or maybe 2 dds at the same time. but could you pls tell me how to avoid the torps from 2 shimas and 2 kageros at the same time from different direction? If someone is able to do that with big fat yamato, ok i will admit that im a noob.

And about the weakest class, i dont agree with your opinion. Shima, gearing, and that russian tier 10 are realy powerfull to rape two bbs with full health. and cruisers are not that dramatically weak.  All of the tier 10 cas are really good in right hands. i know guys who can easly kill a yamato in 1 vs 1 combat with cas. Only problems that i see about the balance of game is the lack of cvs and that high number of dds in high tiers.

 

Use brain. Please...if you face torpedoes from 4 DD, you are dead. Whats wrong on being killed by 4 (!!!) enemies? Which ship will survive this fight with 4 enemies? If this happen, you should die, doesn't matter what you have. If you can handle 4 ship in same time, something is wrong. So stop crying please. Try that owerpowered sneaky ninjas, maybe you will see how owerpowered they are in reality...