USA DDs GOT BETTER TORPS ..WHEN DO IJN DD get better guns?

[Saliddry]

wargaming just isnt able to balance things...

 

upgrading us destroyers and giving them  torps   of 15+ km range on high tier   16.5 on tier 10

so in general there only 2-3km shorter range than the jap dd torps now ..

 

 

but the jap dds still have this total [edited]  30 seconds 180° turrets with lousy 6-7 shoot a minut while us have 20 shoots and 7-8 seconds turn time

 

what ..... do the balance nerfs and buffs for wargaming?

 

 

dont let me start on german ships.. whe have the same dumbshit anti german bias here  we had in world of tanks...  same RUSSIAN company

 

putting an 1917 ship on tier 7 with an lousy 80mm armor what was ok 1917 ....  but here it gets put up against 1941 1942 ships

if they want to say that germany had the tech 1917 that others got 1940++ i agree with that LOL

 

but its far from balanced for an game

 

I JUST WAIT FOR THE RUSSIAN CRUISERS.. SURLY GUIDED MISSLE ......

 

i bet KIROV class heavy guided missle cruiser with nuclear powercore for tier 8 .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov-class_battlecruiser

 

 

 

 

[PhroX]

What has the German T7 got to do with 1917? The Yorck is an earlier proposal in the development that lead to the Deutschland class IIRC which WG gave the name Yorck as it is a plausible one should such a ship have actually been built, and thus dates from the 20s or 30s.

 

(and the previous Yorck dates from 1905, so that doesn't match either)

 

edit: Duh, I've just realised what you might be talking about - the Ersatz Yorck, (which was given that designation to indicate that it was to replace the Yorck, and likely would've had a different name had she been finished). But that's a 38,000t battlecruiser armed with 15" guns, which is just slightly different from the in game T7 cruiser....

[Saliddry]

sorry 1923 not 1917 just read the ingame text for the york  it states designed  1923

 

not the mention that the yorck and the other outdated ships they put inot the german line never had any active role in ww2

 

and rather than putting the german POCKET battleships in the cruiser line to fill holes..  they will surly  put them into the bb line  massively underperforming cause there no real BBs  like the bismarck or tripiz  or sharnhorst gneisenau if ya preffer the older rmodels

 

btw scharnhorst&gneisenau where clasified as BATTLECRUISERS!!!!!  they never  got classified as battleships...

 

copys out of war documentation  from the british :

 

18th-28th - Hunt for the "Bismarck", Phase 1 - On the 18th, new German 15in battleship "Bismarck" and heavy cruiser "Prinz Eugen" sailed from Gdynia in the Baltic for the Atlantic via Norway. A simultaneous sortie by the battlecruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau" from Brest was fortunately prevented by the damage inflicted by the RAF. On the 20th, they were sighted in the Kattegat by a Swedish warship. 21st - In the evening the German ships were sighted in a fiord south of Bergen, Norway. Two of the Home Fleet's capital ships, "Hood" and "Prince of Wales" (the latter not fully completed and still working up), sailed from Scapa Flow towards Iceland to support the cruisers on Northern Patrol.

 

read it ? battleship  bismarck and HEAVY CRUISER prinz eugen

 

or here...

German Heavy Ships - The arrival of battlecruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau" in Brest led to a long series of heavy RAF bomber raids. These did not end until the Channel Dash in February 1942. During this time both ships sustained varying amounts of damage. On the 6th "Gneisenau" was torpedoed and badly damaged by an RAF Beaufort of No 22 Squadron, Coastal Command.

 

BATTLECRUISERS!!!!! not Battleships

 

so why do we have all that dumb crapoutdated ships in the german cruiser line?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[praetor_jax]

 

 

dont let me start on german ships.. whe have the same dumbshit anti german bias here  we had in world of tanks...  same RUSSIAN company

 

putting an 1917 ship on tier 7 with an lousy 80mm armor what was ok 1917 ....  but here it gets put up against 1941 1942 ships

if they want to say that germany had the tech 1917 that others got 1940++ i agree with that LOL

 

 

 

 

Look up the Yorck and the Roon in the tech tree and compare them to the ships you re confusing them with on Wikipedia. They re not the same ships, they only go by the same name. Also Look up which year Nagato was launched.

 

Besides that - yes this game has some terrible issues when it comes to balancing the classes.

[Comrad_StaIin]

Scharnhorst where Battleships

[Historynerd]

btw scharnhorst&gneisenau where clasified as BATTLECRUISERS!!!!!  they never  got classified as battleships...

 

copys out of war documentation  from the british :

 

18th-28th - Hunt for the "Bismarck", Phase 1 - On the 18th, new German 15in battleship "Bismarck" and heavy cruiser "Prinz Eugen" sailed from Gdynia in the Baltic for the Atlantic via Norway. A simultaneous sortie by the battlecruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau" from Brest was fortunately prevented by the damage inflicted by the RAF. On the 20th, they were sighted in the Kattegat by a Swedish warship. 21st - In the evening the German ships were sighted in a fiord south of Bergen, Norway. Two of the Home Fleet's capital ships, "Hood" and "Prince of Wales" (the latter not fully completed and still working up), sailed from Scapa Flow towards Iceland to support the cruisers on Northern Patrol.

 

read it ? battleship  bismarck and HEAVY CRUISER prinz eugen

 

or here...

German Heavy Ships - The arrival of battlecruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau" in Brest led to a long series of heavy RAF bomber raids. These did not end until the Channel Dash in February 1942. During this time both ships sustained varying amounts of damage. On the 6th "Gneisenau" was torpedoed and badly damaged by an RAF Beaufort of No 22 Squadron, Coastal Command.

 

BATTLECRUISERS!!!!! not Battleships

 

so why do we have all that dumb crapoutdated ships in the german cruiser line?

 

Um... that is what the British used to refer to them...

 

The Kriegsmarine rated them as Schlachtschiffe (battleships).

[Saliddry]

Scharnhorst where Battleships

 

nope even the birish classified tem as battlecruisers... that thing are taken out of british war  reports and it clearly says battleCRUISERS!!!

[praetor_jax]

 

nope even the birish classified tem as battlecruisers... that thing are taken out of british war  reports and it clearly says battleCRUISERS!!!

Yea the British classified them as battlecruisers. The germans made them to be battleships.

 

Also a battleship is closer to being a battleship than it is to being a cruiser despite the actual name and WG has yet to put a single battlecruiser into a cruiser branch instead of a batleship branch.

 

Edit: this post refers to the Scharnhorst-class

[Saliddry]

 

Um... that is what the British used to refer to them...

 

The Kriegsmarine rated them as Schlachtschiffe (battleships).

 

NOPE..

 

that was classified by british as POCKET BATTLESHIPS

 

was called in german WESTENTASCHEN -KREUZER

 

i made the - before kreuzer to make it easyer for you to translate

 

german never said there battleships..

 

as they started the bismarck and the tirpitz they said that are the first german battleships to put into service since ww 1

[Historynerd]

 

NOPE..

 

that was classified by british as POCKET BATTLESHIPS

 

was called in german WESTENTASCHEN -KREUZER

 

i made the - before kreuzer to make it easyer for you to translate

 

german never said there battleships..

 

as they started the bismarck and the tirpitz they said that are the first german battleships to put into service since ww 1

 

....Are you for real?

 

Do you live in a world where everything you say is right, and factual proof doesn't matter? Because if you don't, it doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't change the facts.

[praetor_jax]

 

NOPE..

 

that was classified by british as POCKET BATTLESHIPS

 

was called in german WESTENTASCHEN -KREUZER

 

i made the - before kreuzer to make it easyer for you to translate

 

german never said there battleships..

 

as they started the bismarck and the tirpitz they said that are the first german battleships to put into service since ww 1

 

The Britsh invented the term pocket-battleship due to their armament which fitted a battlecruiser more than a cruiser. The germans called them armored ships at first as a yap at the treaty of versailles and later classified them as heavy cruisers.

 

Edit: this post refers to the Deutschland-class.

[Saliddry]

just read here ... as an start

 

http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsGermanWarships.htm

[Saliddry]

 

The Britsh invented the term pocket-battleship due to their armament which fitted a battlecruiser more than a cruiser. The germans called them armored ships at first as a yap at the treaty of versailles and later classified them as heavy cruisers.

 

so like i said ...NO BATTLESHIPS!! just look at there tonnage... and compare it to british or us battleships...

[Historynerd]

so like i said ...NO BATTLESHIPS!! just look at there tonnage... and compare it to british or us battleships...

 

"Pocket battleships" referred only to the Deutschland-class...

[praetor_jax]

so like i said ...NO BATTLESHIPS!! just look at there tonnage... and compare it to british or us battleships...

 

That is because you keep mixing up Scharnhorst-class and Deutschland-class in your posts ffs!

 

Scharnhorst-class = battleship

Deutschland-class = heavy cruiser

[Historynerd]

just read here ... as an start

 

http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsGermanWarships.htm

 

Here's a better start:

 

 

They were the first class of German ships to be officially classified by the Kriegsmarine as Schlachtschiff (battleship).^[8]Previous German battleships were classified as Linienschiffe (ships of the line),^[a] and Panzerschiffe (armoured ship).

Their adversary, the Royal Navy, rated them as battlecruisers^[9][10] though after the war classified them as battleships.^[11]Jane's Fighting Ships 1940 lists both the Scharnhorst and Bismarck classes as "Battleships (Schlachtschiffe)"^[12] Another adversary, the United States Navy, rated them as battleships.^[13] In English language reference works they are sometimes referred to as battleships and sometimes as battlecruisers.^[c]

 

 

[ShockPirat]

There are more things to a gun than just rate of fire and traverse speed, you know?

Tier 7 and up IJN DD guns are better than USN at every stat except those two, and are very capable of doing loads of damage. A competent IJN player CAN outshoot an USN DD at those tiers.

Also, if you take gun traverse speed captain skill on IJN DDs guns will turn fast enough to keep up with the turning of your ship.

 

Yeah, tier 6 and below IJN DD guns suck. But so do USN torps. It all changes at tier 7, and in my opinion at high tiers USN and IJN are well balanced to each other.

[Saliddry]

thats an dumb quote @nerd... it starts"They were the first class of German ships to be officially classified by the Kriegsmarine as Schlachtschiff (battleship"

 

maybe quote the full thing so we know WHAT they called battleships..?

[Tyrendian89]

besides, what strange world do you live in to consider USN Torpedoes better than IJN? I'm not saying post-0.5.1 USN Torpedoes are bad, or that one or two of the IJN ships couldn't use a buff (hello Hatsu), but their Torpedoes are nowhere close to their IJN counterparts, especially in terms of damage.

[Takeda92]

If you get the captain skill "aiming expert" for your IJN DDs, you can get a 13 seconds turn time for your turrets. 

[praetor_jax]

thats an dumb quote @nerd... it starts"They were the first class of German ships to be officially classified by the Kriegsmarine as Schlachtschiff (battleship"

 

maybe quote the full thing so we know WHAT they called battleships..?

 

Historynerds quote is from wikipedia on Scharnhorst-class:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst-class_battleship#General_characteristics

[Historynerd]

thats an dumb quote @nerd... it starts"They were the first class of German ships to be officially classified by the Kriegsmarine as Schlachtschiff (battleship"

 

maybe quote the full thing so we know WHAT they called battleships..?

 

The Scharnhorst-class and the Bismarck-class.

 

Also, you using the word "dumb" sounds like the pot calling the kettle black...

[byronicasian]

wargaming just isnt able to balance things...

 

upgrading us destroyers and giving them  torps   of 15+ km range on high tier   16.5 on tier 10

so in general there only 2-3km shorter range than the jap dd torps now ..

 

 

but the jap dds still have this total [edited]  30 seconds 180° turrets with lousy 6-7 shoot a minut while us have 20 shoots and 7-8 seconds turn time

 

what ..... do the balance nerfs and buffs for wargaming?

 

 

dont let me start on german ships.. whe have the same dumbshit anti german bias here  we had in world of tanks...  same RUSSIAN company

 

putting an 1917 ship on tier 7 with an lousy 80mm armor what was ok 1917 ....  but here it gets put up against 1941 1942 ships

if they want to say that germany had the tech 1917 that others got 1940++ i agree with that LOL

 

but its far from balanced for an game

 

I JUST WAIT FOR THE RUSSIAN CRUISERS.. SURLY GUIDED MISSLE ......

 

i bet KIROV class heavy guided missle cruiser with nuclear powercore for tier 8 .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov-class_battlecruiser

 

 

 

 

Protip, T7 Yorck is not the WW1 Battlecruiser Erstaz Yorck....

 

 

 

The ingame specs of 8 x 21cm guns match the ones listed for the Entwurf I/10.

 

In game screen shots of the T7 Yorck  

 

 matches closely to the Entwurf I/10 schematics.

 

 

 

RU dev confirming the design as our T7 Yorck.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/50785-have-we-identified-which-designs-go-with-which-paper-ship-in-the-german-line-yet/page__st__20__pid__1259167#entry1259167

 

The Ent I/10 itself is a preliminary design for what eventually became the Deutschland class of ships. Yorck is just the name the devs gave to the design. 

 

[Vogel]

FFS, take it over PMs. This has nothing to do with the subject at hand and just serve to bloat the thread with useless garbage.

 

On-topic: IJN DD does not need a gun buff per se, but rather not a torpedo nerf (or just less) as you tier up. As it is now, you basically get torpedoes that goes further and faster on average, but ironically are easier to dodge. And the flotilla of planes doesn't help either.

[MarcusFuriusCamillus]

Please go away with your cruiser talk.

 

You actually seriously compare IJN DDs to USN DDs?

IJN DDs can take 0 risk whatsoever inorder to do damage, Just ninjatorp people out of invis, While US DDs have to count on either our lackluster torpedo(Even at goddamn T10 it gets spotted wayy before the Jap one) Let alone the fact we have 5 less torpedoes at T10, Or at lower tiers torpedoes are way slower and again get spotted earlier.

 

Allegedly US DDs are gunships right?

How come Japanese DDs have better turret health and fire chance on their guns then?

I had instances when I hit people more than 240 times and got maybe 1 fire, Yes a single fire with a gearing, Allegedly a T10 DD - Which only half of its HE shells actually deal out damage - Since that is also bugged.

Besides most USN DDs actually have to aim where most IJN DDs(Especially Shima) Just carpet bomb a whole area with torpedoes which requires oh so much skill. (it doesn't )

 

And when was the last time your torpedo tubes have been destroyed?

Oh it doesn't happen right?

 

Well my guns get rekt in 1 hit on my Gearing(Happens in about 50% of games and I'm not exaggerating), I actually got hit by a single salvo and lost all three and a torpedo tube, So yes enlighten me how amazingly OP USN DDs are in comparison to poor poor IJN DDs which seem to be doing better in every single tier than their USN counterparts.

 

How my amazing "Tier 10" Gearing looks like in about 50% of matches, Notice both destroyed forward guns