German Battleships?

[Victor_RO]

Hello , well as the title says , does anybody know anything about german battleships and when they will appear? I've  been trying to find any info on the forum/internet but couldn't find a thing. So did I missed anything ? Where they officialy announced or do they have a release date? I really want to play the Bismarck instead of those german CL we currently have.

[Deamon93]

WG will complete the Russian and German tree before adding new nations so they should come in the following months in theory.

[IamTroublemaker]

Last time I read, German BBs and Russian CAs are planned for Q1 2016. I cannot wait for them as well, plus I'm slowly running out of BBs to play with. Patience is a virtue

 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

Last time I read, German BBs and Russian CAs are planned for Q1 2016. I cannot wait for them as well, plus I'm slowly running out of BBs to play with. Patience is a virtue

 

Yes it is. A virtue well known to fans of Italian, French & British ships. 

[IamTroublemaker]

 

Yes it is. A virtue well known to fans of Italian, French & British ships. 

 

Well, I'm no big fan of any navy, but I myself would like to see the likes of Richelieu, Rodney, KGV and some other ships, but it's not like I think of them every time I play.

 

I think the pace the new ships are arriving is fine because adding all the stuff at once would just make some people (like me) lose interest fast, as knowing its all we'd ever get would just make me think its not sufficient. This way you keep your players "on their toes" PATIENTLY awaiting for the new ships to arrive, and yeah, some had to be released before for economic reasons, although that doesn't make them more "valuable" and important.

[Meneleus]

Odd, I thought they were going to give the Royal Navy priority before finishing the german and russian trees.

 

Ah well, both are slated for 2016 if I am not mistaken, the more the merrier. I rather like the Hochseeflotte tbh, wonder what they will do with the german battleship tree.

 

Cheers, M

[Carnivore81]

Odd, I thought they were going to give the Royal Navy priority before finishing the german and russian trees.

 

Ah well, both are slated for 2016 if I am not mistaken, the more the merrier. I rather like the Hochseeflotte tbh, wonder what they will do with the german battleship tree.

 

Cheers, M

 

Last Info. German BB and RU CA 1Q in 2016. British will come 4Q 2016. But We Talk about WG .Maybe they will bring  a RN Tree before Finish them Both.

[soko_sivi]

he or ap?

 

[LeeQuid]

I want to be excited about this but given the massive let down of the german cruisers i dont wanna build my hopes up too much

[IamTroublemaker]

I want to be excited about this but given the massive let down of the german cruisers i dont wanna build my hopes up too much

 

I think we can expect stuff similar to Tirpitz, so no, they won't be a disappointment

[triumphgt6]

I am not sure I will last till Q4 2016. Shame, as I would love some British ships in addition to the Warspite. Maybe a sabbatical will be best so I am still interested! I would support a premium French and Italian ship first though so that the other nations can at least play one of their own ships.

[art_of_War_warrior]

 

[Getzamatic]

 

I think we can expect stuff similar to Tirpitz, so no, they won't be a disappointment

 

I think the smaller, relatively fast firing guns with superior penetration philosophy will probably work better with battleship scale guns.  Tirpitz has "only" 15" guns at tier 8 but I'm not hearing anyone complain about them because they turn rather quickly and tend to hit and hurt what you point them at.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

I think the smaller, relatively fast firing guns with superior penetration philosophy will probably work better with battleship scale guns.  Tirpitz has "only" 15" guns at tier 8 but I'm not hearing anyone complain about them because they turn rather quickly and tend to hit and hurt what you point them at.

 

They seem to preform quite good at T8 and against all the ships Tirpitz meets, but I believe German battleships will get bigger guns at T9 (H39 - 16") and T10 (H41 -17") if they get those ships at those tiers

[Chiyeko]

 

I think we can expect stuff similar to Tirpitz, so no, they won't be a disappointment

 

One can hope indeed, the Tirpitz is amazing and she breaks the rules of play a bit by rewarding aggression and getting in close and personal instead of hanging back at range. Those 15 inc guns also have this lovely ability to just do reliable damage even if you don't get a lot of citadels you still get a lot of pens and it just racks up pretty nicely. Best of all she has the speed to get in close, 32kts with the speed flag she can serious chase down people.

[Getzamatic]

 

 

These are really nice pictures, but I've noticed they seem to get the some ship's speeds wrong.

 

The Nassaus were only capable of 19 knots maximum, whereas the Konigs were as as fast or faster than the Kaisers.

 

The thing is, because the war had started German capital ships from the Konigs onwards ran their trials at full load in safer but shallower water.  This cost them a couple of knots of theoretical speed, but in service they could always out run the Kaisers which did do 23.5 knots on trials.  The Derfflingers were similarly affected, recording a 26 knot speed on trials, but out pacing the older German battlecruisers which had recorded 28 knot trials speeds in service.

 

Oddly, they have assigned a speculative speed to the Bayerns - which is probably in the right ball park - in spite of their only doing 21 knots on trials.

 

Of course, WG being WG, I expect them to ignore this well documented phenomenon and assign the Konigs, Bayerns and Derfflingers their "low" trials speeds rather than their actual service speeds.

[506_Mephisto]

Well the Nassaus were actually able to run 20-20,5 knots, although they were designed at 19 knots. The speed difference between Nassaus, which used traditional steam engines instead of steam turbines was not that large compared to the HMS Dreadnought. 

 

But yeah, I don't know, they they use the speed, those ships achieved for some classes, while for others just the designed speed. Especially the Hindenburg, the last Derfflinger cruiser had a much stronger engine compared to her sisters and should have been able to even outrun Seydlitz, marking her topspeed at around 29 knots.

It should be noted, that for example the german wikipedia page mentioned König's topspeed at around 23 knots. I hope dearly, they will stick to those top speeds instead of the designed one.  

 

PS: It is really nice to see all the german Battleship classes. They simply look amazing. So much better than their US counterparts. Especially the Nassau looks really cute compared to the USA's ugly SC.

 

[Tyrendian89]

 

 

PS: It is really nice to see all the german Battleship classes. They simply look amazing. So much better than her US counterparts. Especially the Nassau looks really cute compared to the USA's ugly SC.

 

I know right? almost a bit chubby the little bugger

[VonPletz]

My fear is they do to the German Battleships what WOWS did to the German Cruisers......Again, if they make the German Battleships like the Tirpitz...I will be happy...if they make them CRAP like the German Cruiser line....it will be a insult to all that play this game.  I am optimistic but cautious.

 

[Zjorz]

I expect something like a battleship tree and a seperate battlecruiser tree. If we look at the gun calibers its kinda logical how the tree will be build. I'm not sure if the Bayern class can become T6 or it might be too OP. Scharnhorst class seems to fit a line of battlecruisers better with her lighter armour and lower caliber guns.

 

Battleships

T3 Nassau class 12x280mm with placement similar to the kawachi class

T4 Helgoland class 12x305mm with placement similar to the kawachi class

T5 Kaiser class 10x305mm in mixed placement with the front turrets superfiring. Has a 10 gun broadside so an improvement in firepower over the Helgoland

T6 König class 10x305mm with placement similar to the new york class

T7 Bayern class 8x380cm similar to the placement of Colorado/Nagato

T8 Bissmarck Class 8x380cm

T9/T10 Its WG so we will have to wait and see what will happen

 

 

[Deamon93]

My fear is they do to the German Battleships what WOWS did to the German Cruisers......Again, if they make the German Battleships like the Tirpitz...I will be happy...if they make them CRAP like the German Cruiser line....it will be a insult to all that play this game.  I am optimistic but cautious.

 

 

Germany wasn't exactly known for their cruisers and the Kaiserliche Marine hadn't enough designs to cover the line and save the day. On the other hand the BB line will be made primarily of ships from the glorious WWI days and, perhaps, WG will add the BCs which can have a line entirely made of WWI designs without the sillyness of the O-class(which indeed is pretty much an oversized German cruiser but a bit faster)

 

 

I expect something like a battleship tree and a seperate battlecruiser tree. If we look at the gun calibers its kinda logical how the tree will be build. I'm not sure if the Bayern class can become T6 or it might be too OP. Scharnhorst class seems to fit a line of battlecruisers better with her lighter armour and lower caliber guns.

 

Battleships

T3 Nassau class 12x280mm with placement similar to the kawachi class

T4 Helgoland class 12x305mm with placement similar to the kawachi class

T5 Kaiser class 10x305mm in mixed placement with the front turrets superfiring. Has a 10 gun broadside so an improvement in firepower over the Helgoland

T6 König class 10x305mm with placement similar to the new york class

T7 Bayern class 8x380cm similar to the placement of Colorado/Nagato

T8 Bissmarck Class 8x380cm

T9/T10 Its WG so we will have to wait and see what will happen

 

 

 

Bayern should be pitted against QE so she's a tier VI, with the others bumped down by a tier and with Helgoland axed(since WG decided not to have tier II dreads a whole generation of early designs had to be axed). Above Bayern you can go for late WWI projects(there are some) and from VIII to X you can Bismarck, Bismarck XL(aka H-39) and Bismarck XXL(aka H-41). In case H-41 doesn't fit well against the current tier Xs WG can go for the XXXL(aka H-42) but we shall see.

 

 

 

 

[leggasiini]

So, will some of them have torpedoes like Tirpitz? Atleast according to Wikipedia, H-classes were supposed to have torps, but we will see. 

[Getzamatic]

The Bismarck and Scharnhorst classes should have torpedoes, but the earlier designs would not.

 

My current best guess/wish list for the tree is this;

 

Tier 3:  Helgoland

Tier 4:  Kaiser

Tier 5:  Mackensen

Tier 6:  Bayern

Tier 7:  Scharnhorst

Tier 8:  Bismarck

Tier 9: H39

Tier 10: H41

 

This is by no means my "ideal" battleship tech tree, but seems consistent with the German gun stats that have supposedly been data mined from the latest game code.  For example, apparently WG have put in stats for the 13.8" gun and the only class of ships designed to be fitted with that gun were the Mackensens, so they must be in there somewhere and they're Tier 5 material.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I have a strong feeling that eiher Nassau or Helgoland won't make an appearance in the tree. They are simply too similar, and too outdated for anything beyond T3 (maybe Helgoland as a T4 premium... maybe). This would also be great for other reasons. Kaiser at T4 would not only be reasonable, it would be awesome for a different playstyle (echelon turrets). König at T5 also makes sense as she is usually compared to New York. Bayern at T6 is obviously also good due to the QE class.

 

What I'm most interested in is the top hull. Obviously all the ships but the Nassau/Helgoland (depending on which one gets to be T3) will need a modernised top hull. Thus something has to be created for them. So how would a 1930s modernised König look like? It will be quite interesting to see what the designers decide to give us. To me at least.

I'm also interested in how many, if any battlecruisers, make it into the first tree. Yes, we would obviously like a separate tree, but it wouldn't surprise me if one got pushed in. If for no other reason than for WG to see how the German BCs perform in the game in general. I mean, we have Amagi when we could have had Tosa (Kii is basically just an Amagi with thicker belt). But even though I want the German battlecruisers, I don't exactly want to replace any of the old battleships either. They all have something to offer. Kaiser with her turret placement, König for her similar but different approach compared to New York, Bayern for the old grudge-match against the QEs. And a T3 BC would suck badly I fear (and not really be a good introduction to what is a battleship line).

[Foxhound128]

/give_sms_seydlitz 1

Please, WG.

 

Now, time to get seriously. If the German tree is supposed to be less caliber - higher RoF (knock, knock, Tirpitz), Then I'd see the Nassau at Tier 3.

 

But those are just speculations, hope there are gonna be some leaks