aboch Beta Tester 452 posts 8,129 battles Report post #1 Posted November 16, 2015 Not that anybody really cares, but today is a day i totally lost fun playing .... I mean it is ok to lose, no way anyway not to lose about half the games. But after a series of 6 or 7 total fu**ed up MM battles i really think it makes no sense with such pre alpha Matchmaking system that fails even to make at least evenly fair teams. I even had some good portion of understanding when their are not a lot of players online, ok, even have some understanding when 1 carrier was against 2 carriers even it did not make much sense. I even had some understand that troll divisions are still not restriced in anyway. BUT this matchmaking today hits the bottom, seriously. I'am absolutly NOT willing to invest time & money into battles that are 100% decided even bevor they begun, no way!!!! I had about 6 or 7 similar battles like that bevor, not that exteme but this battle just gave me the rest, honesly. Half the team even wanted to quiet, to watch porn or whatever the next 20 minutes as even for the biggest noob and newbie it was visible that there was no need to play. So what is the deal? I mean is it that hard to give each team a tier 10 division? Shouldn*t that be priority #1 in the matchmaking rules beside the carrier MM balance? What with the next rule that divisions should be more or less equal per team? Why the fu**ing hell is a tier 9 allowed to bring 2x tier 3 or lower ships in a tier 10 battle? (Yes, happend too to me!!!). Damn, i loved WOT and had nearly 39k games in it, now 2.500 but i asked myself right now why to play IF there is NO equal fun factor garantee. And with fun factor garantee i mean battles you have at least by the ships a good chance to win. A battle like that was and is NO fun. How about these brainheads that setup the MM play some 10 rounds in tier 8 and 9 ships against a team of tier 10 so they see themself how much fun such battles are. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4orky Players 24 posts 4,168 battles Report post #2 Posted November 16, 2015 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aboch Beta Tester 452 posts 8,129 battles Report post #3 Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) sucks too, but more balanced than the crap i had to play, lol Edited November 16, 2015 by aboch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Crysantos WG Staff 3,754 posts 17,659 battles Report post #4 Posted November 16, 2015 Not that anybody really cares, but today is a day i totally lost fun playing .... I mean it is ok to lose, no way anyway not to lose about half the games. But after a series of 6 or 7 total fu**ed up MM battles i really think it makes no sense with such pre alpha Matchmaking system that fails even to make at least evenly fair teams. I even had some good portion of understanding when their are not a lot of players online, ok, even have some understanding when 1 carrier was against 2 carriers even it did not make much sense. I even had some understand that troll divisions are still not restriced in anyway. BUT this matchmaking today hits the bottom, seriously. I'am absolutly NOT willing to invest time & money into battles that are 100% decided even bevor they begun, no way!!!! I had about 6 or 7 similar battles like that bevor, not that exteme but this battle just gave me the rest, honesly. Half the team even wanted to quiet, to watch porn or whatever the next 20 minutes as even for the biggest noob and newbie it was visible that there was no need to play. So what is the deal? I mean is it that hard to give each team a tier 10 division? Shouldn*t that be priority #1 in the matchmaking rules beside the carrier MM balance? What with the next rule that divisions should be more or less equal per team? Why the fu**ing hell is a tier 9 allowed to bring 2x tier 3 or lower ships in a tier 10 battle? (Yes, happend too to me!!!). Damn, i loved WOT and had nearly 39k games in it, now 2.500 but i asked myself right now why to play IF there is NO equal fun factor garantee. And with fun factor garantee i mean battles you have at least by the ships a good chance to win. A battle like that was and is NO fun. How about these brainheads that setup the MM play some 10 rounds in tier 8 and 9 ships against a team of tier 10 so they see themself how much fun such battles are. I can understand your anger and I've had quite a few games like this myself, where you ask yourself... what the f*ck? I mean I get divisions tend to be meh for the MM, but why not divide the two TX divisions up? What about the spare Yamato? I don't get it. I'm playing mostly mid-Tiers right now, the TX area is just too much of Yamato/Shimas right now for my taste. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aboch Beta Tester 452 posts 8,129 battles Report post #5 Posted November 16, 2015 I can understand your anger and I've had quite a few games like this myself, where you ask yourself... what the f*ck? I mean I get divisions tend to be meh for the MM, but why not divide the two TX divisions up? What about the spare Yamato? I don't get it. I'm playing mostly mid-Tiers right now, the TX area is just too much of Yamato/Shimas right now for my taste. Thats what i'am saying, what is that hard just to split the tier X divisions??? Hence the reason why i'am total upset after the 7th such/similar game in a row ..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEARS] gorgutzer Beta Tester 129 posts 8,349 battles Report post #6 Posted November 16, 2015 Its funny cuz u can get matched so ez in a premade of 3 yamatos or montanas against lower tiers but u cant get a game as a Tier X CV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #7 Posted November 16, 2015 Even in wot at this hour on eu you can get weird MM. With wows it's even worse because much less people play it than wot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Reyte Players 513 posts 12,839 battles Report post #8 Posted November 16, 2015 Its funny cuz u can get matched so ez in a premade of 3 yamatos or montanas against lower tiers but u cant get a game as a Tier X CV Getting matched against t10 in t9 is one thi gs, but it doesent even come close to the unfairness of getting matched in a t9 cv in a t10 cv. So dont complain when u cant get a match, very late only some t10 cv are playing so its to be exspected to wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonmd Players 801 posts 1,673 battles Report post #9 Posted November 16, 2015 Yes, does look like totally missmatched game but the question I have to ask is this, What the hell is up with that weird screen resolution, you don't PLAY with it like that do you???!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,294 battles Report post #10 Posted November 16, 2015 I'am absolutly NOT willing to invest time & money into battles that are 100% decided even bevor they begun, no way!!!! Ive seen a share of mm-fuckups, but this truly beats it all. This shouldnt happen at any time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dai2 Beta Tester 347 posts 686 battles Report post #11 Posted November 16, 2015 WG's stronk answer to issue: Be careful with the Imperial japanese flag, OP... Looks at VUK.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl Players 464 posts Report post #12 Posted November 16, 2015 Even in wot at this hour on eu you can get weird MM. With wows it's even worse because much less people play it than wot. ? this happens constantly during "peak times" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #13 Posted November 16, 2015 While it is slightly annoying if this happens, i don't think that this is a reason to stop playing. I had a game yesterday where most of my team was Tier VI (BBs and CLs) with two exceptions ( DDs) which were Tier VII, while the other team had mostly Tier VII and 4 Tier VIII BBs. And we won, by the skin of our teeth but we won. See it as a challenge when it happens. If it where to happen time and time again, then WG should adjust the MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aboch Beta Tester 452 posts 8,129 battles Report post #14 Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) While it is slightly annoying if this happens See it as a challenge when it happens. Slightly annoying? If you play 2+ hours in a row unfair MM battles where the outcome is predicted bevor the battle starts? And the challenge is what exactly? To see if we can kill all together 1 yamoto or with some luck 2 until we vanish? Seriously, bevor that i was in 2 divisions and both turned out smarter than me and quieted after all these MM fails over the whole night and went to bed, should have done the same better as it still keeps me totally disappointed. Jethro_Grey, on 16 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said: I had a game yesterday where most of my team was Tier VI (BBs and CLs) with two exceptions ( DDs) which were Tier VII, while the other team had mostly Tier VII and 4 Tier VIII BBs. And we won, by the skin of our teeth but we won. Your example is far from even being close. First of all we had 0 ships that are being higher tier in their class. Second in lower tier you survice longer while fighting against a 1 tier higher ship. In tier X battles you get vanished by a gearing torp or yamato salvo. IT would mostly take whole the game to kill all these yamatos with salvos and as you can see we even had not better destroyers but again 1x DD against 3x higher DDs. I will open a trainingroom and we can play with the exact setup again and again and i give you a 200% garantee you NEVER will win that battle, and that is the reason for my post. A MM that makes a battle and team setup that can not be won under any circumstances. Jethro_Grey, on 16 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said: i don't think that this is a reason to stop playing. If it where to happen time and time again, then WG should adjust the MM. and i do not think i have any reason to play something where i have 0 chance to win. And it happens again and again. Not that extreme, but it happens. They do not want to adjust the MM for some reason. What can be the fu**ing reason a troll division of 3 is allowed to go with 1x tier IX and 2x tier III into a tier 10 battle? Tell me? What is the reason 2x tier X division get into 1 team placed against none tier X ships? And no, it is not the time late night that is responsible for that as all needed ships to make nearly balanced teams are allready in the teams. But for some reason the MM has a rule that, someone can only guess which, overrules principally the most important ones. None of the normal excuses for MM fail applies here. - It is late night, not enough players. NOT true in that case because all needed ships are in the teams, just total unfair split. - Someone was very long in the waiting queue. Again NOT true due the same reason, all ships are there. - divisions get a slightly harder matchmaking. Again NOT true, even totally reverse in that case. So what does that mean? We all now that Matchmaking is not a human but an automated mechansim following rules. Now tell me what can be the rule to overrule the most important rules we are aware about? Edited November 16, 2015 by aboch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OVanBruce Alpha Tester 2,543 posts 16,031 battles Report post #15 Posted November 16, 2015 Ah, the usual vodka MM with all Yamontys in one team and the other only has Tirpitz. Yeah, have gotten a fair dose of that kind of matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acetessigester Beta Tester 237 posts 19,475 battles Report post #16 Posted November 16, 2015 Thats why I have been staying away from PVP since long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #17 Posted November 16, 2015 I had a game yesterday where most of my team was Tier VI (BBs and CLs) with two exceptions ( DDs) which were Tier VII, while the other team had mostly Tier VII and 4 Tier VIII BBs. And we won, by the skin of our teeth but we won. That happens also around T5 where player base should be at about its biggest. Only chance to win those is if every player in your team is good while enemy team has potatoes. Would be really better if WG disabled divisions until they manage to hammer some sense into MM. They sure they keep adjusting ships and game mechanics with their fine adjusting tool: But MM seems to be completely immune for having any kind sanity check installed. Well, actually MM was nearly 100% time completely fair for couple months after the summer until it got fixed some month ago. What the hell is up with that weird screen resolution, you don't PLAY with it like that do you???!! Ever heard of 100+ years old method of cropping the image? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonmd Players 801 posts 1,673 battles Report post #18 Posted November 16, 2015 Thank goodness for that, I thought you had some weird vertical monitor setup and wondered why you lost! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #19 Posted November 16, 2015 It is weird and unbalanced indeed. The only slight excuse I could find is the fact that you got more BBs. But then again, it doesn't justify such a weirdly set up battle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #20 Posted November 16, 2015 The only slight excuse I could find is the fact that you got more BBs. And enemy team simply insane DD superiority... If OP's team would have had at least three more ships than enemy then it would have been at least little distance away from totally insane MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #21 Posted November 16, 2015 And enemy team simply insane DD superiority... If OP's team would have had at least three more ships than enemy then it would have been at least little distance away from totally insane MM. I agree. I just took BBs as example as afaik they have the biggest "weight" when MM is setting up the teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] beercrazy [KLUNJ] Beta Tester 1,509 posts 11,905 battles Report post #22 Posted November 16, 2015 I agree. I just took BBs as example as afaik they have the biggest "weight" when MM is setting up the teams to what I last saw the mm takes no notice of what tier each class is except for carriers it will class a tier 10 dd the same as a tier 10 bb and that's why you get such a large mix of 2v5 dd for example Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aboch Beta Tester 452 posts 8,129 battles Report post #23 Posted November 16, 2015 it will class a tier 10 dd the same as a tier 10 bb and that's why you get such a large mix of 2v5 dd for example can you see any tier 10 mix in the MM i posted because i can't... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OVanBruce Alpha Tester 2,543 posts 16,031 battles Report post #24 Posted November 16, 2015 Imo, any enemy team that's got 2 or more Shimakaze and maybe a Kagero without your DDs being up to the task of hunting then is pure insanity. It can literally paralize a whole team. And when it's 2 Shimas Vs nothing, ay lmao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEARS] gorgutzer Beta Tester 129 posts 8,349 battles Report post #25 Posted November 16, 2015 Imo, any enemy team that's got 2 or more Shimakaze and maybe a Kagero without your DDs being up to the task of hunting then is pure insanity. It can literally paralize a whole team. And when it's 2 Shimas Vs nothing, ay lmao. The only class rigged its the [edited]cv NICE RACISM HERE!. If someone has graphs of the number of cv games since 5.1 i would appreciate if he mind to share it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites