Invisable ships

[Hel1Cat]

For the last week I have been experincing ships, mostly destroyers disapearing and reapearing on the map and in landscape mode. Just had one incident which is runiing the game for me a destroyer in open sea less than 5km away totally indisable realesed torpeados had time to reaload and fire again at no time was it visable is it a hack or a bug?

[ColonelPete]

Inform yourself about the sighting mechanics.

[Hel1Cat]

yeah a real light read, but when a ship is less than 5km away I should see it and when it fires it should give its position away not be able to reload and do it again, that id BS to me

[DDMafiaAssociateMember]

Replay or it didn't happen.

[principat121]

How surprising. We again see the usual pattern.

 

1. we need a bad player
2. then we need a lack of understanding of the game mechanics
3. and we finally got the "this a is cheat or hack" thread

 

[Hel1Cat]

ok fine for that advice princpat I guess I go back to playing another game and leave you good players to be patronising and superior I ask for help and an understanding and I get lifes under achievers on the forum

[Elenortirion]

yeah a real light read, but when a ship is less than 5km away I should see it and when it fires it should give its position away not be able to reload and do it again, that id BS to me

 

torpedoes does not increase spotting range - and how can you be sure he was less than 5km away if you haven't seen him?

[Hel1Cat]

 

torpedoes does not increase spotting range - and how can you be sure he was less than 5km away if you haven't seen him?

 

The close formation and splay of fire

[ollonborre]

-Smoke blocks vision and works both ways unless another ship is spotting for the DD outside the smoke.

-Torpedoes don't increase spotting range.

-Islands will block vision.

-Firing your guns adds a flat 3-4 km to your spotting range, so unless he was in smoke being hidden at 5 km while firing is impossible.

 

I think that was the short version of the spotting mechanics in this scenario.

[Hel1Cat]

-Smoke blocks vision and works both ways unless another ship is spotting for the DD outside the smoke.

-Torpedoes don't increase spotting range.

-Islands will block vision.

-Firing your guns adds a flat 3-4 km to your spotting range, so unless he was in smoke being hidden at 5 km while firing is impossible.

 

I think that was the short version of the spotting mechanics in this scenario.

 

I know thats why I posted the thread to see if anyone else has experienced the same thing, I didnt state it was a hack I questioned it

[Kenliero]

Replay or it didn't happen.

This. New players often come here, being ambushed by destroyer, thinking "this can not be", he "seemed" to be much closer than 5km.. "yes. I am pretty sure about it, because I can't be surprised just like that..."... My advice is pay more attention to destroyers and their whereabouts. They can in fact be invisible closer than 5km... more eyes to minimap and you need to know the location of every destroyer. You need to be a bit paranoid, to be good player. If you are not paying attention to destroyer... "It will hunt you,... because that is all they do, and they absolutely will not stop, until you're dead"

-Kyle Connor

[ollonborre]

 

I know thats why I posted the thread to see if anyone else has experienced the same thing, I didnt state it was a hack I questioned it

 

Well there you go then. What you experience is nothing unusual, at the tiers you are playing all IJN DD's can get below 6 km spotting range and be able to stealth torp you from around 5.8-5.9 km if my memory is not completely off.

[Kenliero]

Umikaze can have 4.8km spottingrange with perks if I remember correctly. Tachibana was even better I think

[Hel1Cat]

This. New players often come here, being ambushed by destroyer, thinking "this can not be", he "seemed" to be much closer than 5km.. "yes. I am pretty sure about it, because I can't be surprised just like that..."... My advice is pay more attention to destroyers and their whereabouts. They can in fact be invisible closer than 5km... more eyes to minimap and you need to know the location of every destroyer. You need to be a bit paranoid, to be good player. If you are not paying attention to destroyer... "It will hunt you,... because that is all they do, and they absolutely will not stop, until you're dead"

-Kyle Connor

 

Thank you sound advice you seem to know your stuff

[GeneralHorstPital]

For the last week I have been experincing ships, mostly destroyers disapearing and reapearing on the map and in landscape mode. Just had one incident which is runiing the game for me a destroyer in open sea less than 5km away totally indisable realesed torpeados had time to reaload and fire again at no time was it visable is it a hack or a bug?

 

What destroyer was that ? Was there smoke involved ?

Reloading and firing again at no time is not possible, I guess he shot a salvo from his first launcher and shortly after that he shot from another launcher ...

The range at which each ship becomes visible to you can be checked in the harbour. With the tier 5 captains skill, a destroyer can lower that score by 10%, with camouflage paint another 3%. Smoke breaks line of sight completely.

[Zuxx]

Unless they are Klingon destroyers with cloaking device  

[Doughnut_Jimmy]

I get ships blinking in and out of vision sometimes but I put that down to a slice of lag my end.

Its annoying but doesn't happen all the time so that why I tend to think its a pingy laggy thing.

[Elenortirion]

I get ships blinking in and out of vision sometimes but I put that down to a slice of lag my end.

Its annoying but doesn't happen all the time so that why I tend to think its a pingy laggy thing.

 

sounds like DD on full speed deploying smoke screen

[EsaTuunanen]

I get ships blinking in and out of vision sometimes but I put that down to a slice of lag my end.

Its annoying but doesn't happen all the time so that why I tend to think its a pingy laggy thing.

Are those ships destroyers?

They're just using smoke while going at full speed. (over 1/4 speed DD overruns its smokecloud)

[Doughnut_Jimmy]

 

Hmm might be i'll have to take note.I'm sure it hasn't happened with BB's but if my dodgy old man memory serves me right I think its happened occasionally with cruisers.

I will also have to try and remember if the cruisers where near destroyers also,they might have been popping in and out of the smoke screen.

That might be my answer rather than a touch of ping n lag my end.

 

[Antony1953]

ok fine for that advice princpat I guess I go back to playing another game and leave you good players to be patronising and superior I ask for help and an understanding and I get lifes under achievers on the forum

 

I'm with you mate, some of the so called moderators on this forum are nothing but brain dead twats who think they are gods gift to WoWS, and others I have to say are great and helpful, you decide which is which. You are also correct about destroyers blinking on and off sometimes for ages, not fare at all, but the paid lackeys or volunteer lackeys will always come up with "facts" and " figures" that prove we are all liars and idiots or just bad players. Its best to go play a different game where people actually help and not ridicule your questions. Now lets see who will be the first WoWS lackey to respond to this with their pointless denials and pathetic criticisms.

[GeneralRushHour]

Antony, enable replays, upload the file and simply prove it. 

 

[Antony1953]

Antony, enable replays, upload the file and simply prove it.

 

 

I think many players on here are aware of the problem but people like you simply deny it, do you get a bonus for this kind of thing?

[GeneralRushHour]

 

I think many players on here are aware of the problem but people like you simply deny it, do you get a bonus for this kind of thing?

 

I´m not interesting in what you think, i´m more interested in you enabling replays and proving it instead. 

Nobody can argue with a replay file from WG so if you know you´re correct that this would be the ultimate discussion-ender don´t you think? 

If i was in your shoes and absolutely convinced that what i´m saying is true i´d post up a replay file showing it. 

 

But we both know why there´s no replay file... 

[Antony1953]

 

I´m not interesting in what you think, i´m more interested in you enabling replays and proving it instead.

Nobody can argue with a replay file from WG so if you know you´re correct that this would be the ultimate discussion-ender don´t you think?

If i was in your shoes and absolutely convinced that what i´m saying is true i´d post up a replay file showing it.

 

But we both know why there´s no replay file...

 

So then about this bonus you get for talking down to folks with genuine problems, what is it, a toy boat to play with in the bath? or some WoWS posters for the bedroom wall ? They must pay you something for all these denials. Any way I'm bored with you now so go away.