[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #1 Posted November 11, 2015 Just had to get her 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BTEK] Prollydrunk Players 31 posts Report post #2 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Greetings! You just paid 30 or 50 € for a ship that is worth only 12. At least you can convert free xp or retrain your Cpt. 5 times in a row Edited November 11, 2015 by Prollydrunk 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #3 Posted November 11, 2015 Greetings! You just paid 30 or 50 bucks for a ship that is worth only 12. At least you can convert free xp or retrain your Cpt. 5 times in a row I paid £21 for a T7 ship which is cheaper than the Atlanta at £23 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ascender Beta Tester 468 posts 5,440 battles Report post #4 Posted November 11, 2015 At least they made a package that doesn't include some useless upgrades or signal flags for people to buy. Gold and premium is a lot more acceptable than buying things that are GUARANTEED to be useless. This is actually a significant step in the right direction, it is the first package I can think of that doesn't include signal flags or some stuff like that. All they would need to ditch now is the premium days and put in the equivalent gold instead (so people can decide for themselves if they want said premium time) and it's actually fair! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fi_8_8_8_8 Beta Tester 279 posts 2,318 battles Report post #5 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Lol..enjoy playing her against ...ehm cruisers only atm Makes it obvious what minimum bundle price tag WG is aiming at.. Edited November 11, 2015 by Fi_8_8_8_8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #6 Posted November 11, 2015 Bundling doubloons is acceptable imo. Bundling premium time or, God forbid! flags is not acceptable. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BTEK] Prollydrunk Players 31 posts Report post #7 Posted November 11, 2015 I paid £21 for a T7 ship which is cheaper than the Atlanta at £23 My point is: You bought a bundle that is more then twice the ships price. The currency does not matter but I changed "bucks" to € to prevent future misunderstandings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #8 Posted November 11, 2015 My point is: You bought a bundle that is more then twice the ships price. The currency does not matter but I changed "bucks" to € to prevent future misunderstandings. Sorry I don't understand your point. The Atlanta is also T7 and costs more and is not in a bundle. And IMO this ship is a lot more fun. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psusennes Players 340 posts 4,794 battles Report post #9 Posted November 11, 2015 At least you can convert free xp or retrain your Cpt. 5 times in a row Retrain the capt 5 times? what do you mean? pls explain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchdogCZ Players 173 posts 669 battles Report post #10 Posted November 11, 2015 Retrain the capt 5 times? what do you mean? pls explain. Retraining a captain for another ship costs 500 Doubloons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #11 Posted November 11, 2015 Retraining a captain for another ship costs 500 Doubloons. So his maths isn't very good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BTEK] Prollydrunk Players 31 posts Report post #12 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Sorry I don't understand your point. The Atlanta is also T7 and costs more and is not in a bundle. And IMO this ship is a lot more fun. Bundle: 30 € 2000 dubloons: 8,50 € ( somehow I had 2500 in mind ) 7 days premium: 5,25 € 30-8,5-5= 16,5 The ship is roughly 16,5 €. The bundle is 30 €. If you buy it you pay about twice the price what the ship costs. Edited November 11, 2015 by Prollydrunk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #13 Posted November 11, 2015 Bundle: 30 € 2500 dubloons: 9,95 € ( somehow I had 12 in mind ) 7 days premium: 5,25 € 30-10-5= 15 The ship is roughly 15 €. The bundle is 30 €. If you buy it you pay about twice the price what the ship costs. Actually its 2000 dubloons. But you are missing the point. For a Tier 7 ship it's very cheap. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral_Noif Weekend Tester 873 posts 6,620 battles Report post #14 Posted November 11, 2015 I am not big fan of DD, so I will keep my wallet closed and... yes.... another bundle pack ... great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BTEK] Prollydrunk Players 31 posts Report post #15 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Actually its 2000 dubloons. But you are missing the point. For a Tier 7 ship it's very cheap. I was correcting that while you were typing but that´s on me. Should have proof red before I hit submit. But you still don´t understand... Compare the bundle price to the ships price. Not to the Atlanta which would cost about twice as much in a compareable bundle. Edited November 11, 2015 by Prollydrunk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ascender Beta Tester 468 posts 5,440 battles Report post #16 Posted November 11, 2015 Actually its 2000 dubloons. But you are missing the point. For a Tier 7 ship it's very cheap. And to add to this it is not like a destroyer would be cheaper than a battleship. This is not true in the regular tech tree and neither should it be true for premiums. Compare the bundle price to the ships price. Not to the Atlanta. Compare the contents of the bundle to their universal use. If a person goes out of his way to purchase a premium ship, what remote chance is there that he didn't at some point or doesn't want to (in the future) buy doubloons? These things are labelled "wallet warriors" for a reason, and not because they buy 1 premium ship and 0 doubloons in their life. Compared to this signal flags are oftentimes not needed or wanted and premium time can be experienced as wasteful by people who do not have the time to utilize it properly, but gold can be spend in whatever way you see fit and does not decay over time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #17 Posted November 11, 2015 This ship is like the Kiev, which is one of the best destroyers in their tier. Smaller guns but better torpedoes, but the same kind of destroyer killing gunboat, but of course it certeanly needs some captain skills to reach full potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Et_Lanatus_baro Players 465 posts 6,504 battles Report post #18 Posted November 11, 2015 Not a fan of bundles but I did buy this one but I went for the £35 option worked out I paid around £12/£13 for a T7 ship (which comes with modifications) after you take away the premium time/dubloons. the main reason I bought the bundle I needed premium time (it comes with 30 days) and I will use the gold for further premium when needed. But I will stress if I didn't need premuim time I would not of got this, They really do need to start selling ships by themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #19 Posted November 11, 2015 Not to the Atlanta which would cost about twice as much in a compareable bundle. Oh dear, I'm not making myself very clear. I was comparing to the Atlanta because that is the only other tier 7 premium ship in the shop and sets the benchmark for a non bundled T7. So my point is, that even with the extras the Blyskawica is cheaper, so essentially you are getting the dubloons and premium time 'free'. The irony here is that had WG sold the Blyskawica on its own for the same price as the cheaper bundle, people would have probably praised them and said they are listening to the community at last ! 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LO1] Tugnut Alpha Tester 1,552 posts 8,125 battles Report post #20 Posted November 11, 2015 Well i went for the cheaper package nice to see WG heading in the correct direction.... and for all you guys keeping your waller closed OMG you missing a GREAT ship. my first game in her was awesome top ship and a great game. lost stearing twice in a row but only had open water in front so was happy to sail and keep shooting tell repair came back. 21 quid for a tier 7 Ship that plays very well the 7 guns just send out sooo much hurt also nice and low shots to none of this aiming at ships out side of your binos ... not tried the Torps as all my enemys died to my guns before i even thought about the torps.... torps are 8k range but are a little on the slow side so would imagine best as a close in last resort weapon anyways. has to be my 2nd fav ship now P.S WGing go on start adding some on the new ships a single purchases and maybe a few in the tree to buy to many thanks in advance p.p.s honest guys for the cheaper bundle you getting a good ship imho at tier 7 First game in her below 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #21 Posted November 11, 2015 In my opinion the question is whether the money expenditure gives you a unique use. A ship obviously gives you something uniquely useful. It's the main part of the bundle anyway. Doubloons can be used in a variety of ways, and while none of them are unique, some are so annoying (like free XP and retraining) that I'm sure everyone can find a use for doubloons. You can go and say, Hah!, but I want to do that all myself. And that's true. Bundles are bad, but at least you can use doubloons in whatever way you want, at the time that you want. Premium time is a bad addition to the bundle because you can't decide when you want to use it. What if there's a good deal in the shop, but I have no time to play for a week? My premium will just go to waste. Purchasing a bundle with premium time implies having to play a lot immediately to get the best use out of that money, and that is not acceptable. Flags in a bundle are only useful for bad players who never get them naturally and better players shouldn't be blanketed with them. I have more flags than I can mount on my ships except perhaps some of the exotic ones like +secondaries. Personally, a world without bundles is clearly the best, but if WG insists on bundling crapwith everything, this would be my order of preference. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,225 posts 8,827 battles Report post #22 Posted November 11, 2015 I caved in and got the ship cant resist a destroyer that doesnt look like it is wrapped in carnival posters. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LO1] Tugnut Alpha Tester 1,552 posts 8,125 battles Report post #23 Posted November 11, 2015 Oh dear, I'm not making myself very clear. I was comparing to the Atlanta because that is the only other tier 7 premium ship in the shop and sets the benchmark for a non bundled T7. So my point is, that even with the extras the Blyskawica is cheaper, so essentially you are getting the dubloons and premium time 'free'. The irony here is that had WG sold the Blyskawica on its own for the same price as the cheaper bundle, people would have probably praised them and said they are listening to the community at last ! Totaly get what your saying and 100% agree as cheak using the Atlanta price tag and thought well i want this DD been looking forward to it and at £21 thought yup def buying it. lets stay positive on this WGing are hopfuly getting the message and thinking of players that dont have lots of money to burn or not wanting massive bundles for stuff they dont want and given us a option with less, and yes its not the ship on its own but hats off to WGing for at least trying some thing diffrent and who knows if it works well they might see the light and think hey we sell more by selling it for less with less on it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ORSA] P4RDUS Players 380 posts 11,672 battles Report post #24 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) hey all i can say that i am new in wargaming community, i ve been playing wows since only several months. So i do not really know how things work here. Are there any developers who are actively reading the forum and our feedbacks? As far as i can tell most players in community do not like bundles. Did wargaming ever said anything about that, any links? I used to play battlefield play4free before and developers were just ignoring us. Is wargaming kind of the same? Thn i do not want to be part of this game. It is so obvious that they are losing money by releasing bundles, there are a lot of people like me who want to buy the ship but not the bundles. I do not have that much time this week and paying for premium is just wasting money. And one more thing t7 atlanta is overpriced as well. Edited November 11, 2015 by P4RDUS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny_Phate Beta Tester 108 posts 3,300 battles Report post #25 Posted November 11, 2015 Oh dear, I'm not making myself very clear. I was comparing to the Atlanta because that is the only other tier 7 premium ship in the shop and sets the benchmark for a non bundled T7. So my point is, that even with the extras the Blyskawica is cheaper, so essentially you are getting the dubloons and premium time 'free'. The irony here is that had WG sold the Blyskawica on its own for the same price as the cheaper bundle, people would have probably praised them and said they are listening to the community at last ! But it cant be used for captain training right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
