Fixed game system?

[Semillon]

 

I have 2 identical accounts, and have done this to analyse match play.

I use only Umikaze - they are identical spec.

I'm good with it.

 

Does anyone find it strange, that in one account - I win games frequently and in the other - I lose 

frequently?

This isn't supposed to be a game of 'chance' - it's supposed to reflect your personal skill. But it doesn't!

 

I have always said that Wargaming 'fixes' individual accounts. E.g. they attach an 'handicap'.

So, in effect - the game is absolutely NOTHING to do with 'skill' - you will either win or you will lose - 

dependent on whether it has fixed your team to win or lose AT THE START of the game!

The game result is ALWAYS forecast AT THE START of the game!

When you start a game - the outcome is ALWAYS KNOWN!

 

If you're a 'good' player - you will be matched with poor players - you WILL lose regardless of how you play.

E.g. I've had 7 sinkings - and lost (which isn't surprising - they put me with 90% poor players).

I generally sink 3-4, sometimes 5 - sometimes more - but I ALWAYS lose - on one particular account.

I do the same, frequently, on the other account - but more frequently win!

We are talking a 75%-25% differential.

Why is that? How can it be - if it isn't 'fixed' by Wargaming? 

It isn't possible - it goes against science itself!

 

If it has been fixed for you to lose in a game, and you happen to get lucky and start winning - a little 

function kicks-in e.g. you miss more shots, and the enemy hits more than they normally would have.

 

For those that defend this - you'll no-doubt have an history of clans, being in the 'top' clans that also 

have games fixed for them.

The above is FACT - don't let the players that are 'IN' with the devs tell you otherwise.

The game is fixed (and IS theft by WarGaming) - nothing to do with game skill.

 

Why do this?

This is done to narrow the gap between good and poor players, so that the poor players don't give the game up because they haven't got the basic skills to ever become good at the game (and thus stop playing and more importantly PAYING).

 

Get this dishonesty fixed WarGaming; do not come back with propaganda defending your game; it is MUCH 

TOO OBVIOUS - I'd have to be an uneducated dimwit to not know what is happening.

 

I come from the West - Commy propaganda doesn't work with us - we aren't scared for our lives.

 

Fix it, stop lying to your customers, stop treating us like dimwits - it isn't difficult for me to be publicize this factual information across the whole Web (and there will be a following of people that KNOW already).

 

I want a game of skill - not bang, bang, wheeeee - for kiddies.

I've left other games (after being a 'payer') - I can leave this (to the 7 year olds that you positively 

allow to play).

p.s. I'm a software engineer - don't try technical bull with me (like you have before).

The variances have nothing to do with software; this is regarding proven scientific 'odds'.

 

ATB,

 

Sem ;-)

 

 

[Nokkeli]

Just a hint OP if you want people to take you seriously you have to present some hard facts and tone down on BS like "i come from the west stop commy propaganda". BRB gonna get my tinfoil hat. BTW you wont be missed here OP. I hope you have a better time in your "non communist games".

 

[Semillon]

Nokk,

 

Of course - I expected your kind of inane response - you will of course have some kind of 'private' connection with Wargaming.

 

Without Wargaming secret data - no customer can 'prove' anything can they? I don't have access to their code - they can code whatever rules they want. And that, is exactly how 'societies' manage people like us.

 

You of course are paid to say what you say - you got in on this post VERY quickly didn't you? With an image 'already prepared' for just this eventuality.

I find that very 'coincidental' - as will most logically thinking people.

 

Go away - it's not working.

 

Sem ;-)

[polt3rg3ist]

finally some one saying what i have suspected its the same in wot u get a team of utter garbage and if i manage to do more and above my general performance then maybe we win in wot we have the xvm that ranks the players in colour and shows us how many battles total and in particular tank.its like the arty u have gun dispersion example 0.8 that mean 80 cm at 100 meters but it desent matter cos then the rng kicks in and messes up the shot. what ive been seeing in wows is that if the ship has 4 turrets  and 2 barrels each turret the shots usually goes from first and secon turret almost as u want but 3rd turret misses and 4 shooots way above espessially battleships

[Semillon]

polt,

 

This is the discussion I WANT TO START.

Instead of Wargaming just trying to drown it in noise (by employing people like Nokkelei to provide propaganda).

 

I KNOW the above to be fact, but you watch how many people spam this thread with jeering posts.

They, are employed by or given 'special privilege' by Wargaming - obvious.

 

Sem ;-) 

[gronaAnkan]

Perhaps you should post the stats of the two accounts you used to test this, you know, for evidence and stuff.

[sirdurix]

dobar dan moj nadimak je sirdurix i ja sam iz srbije, dva pitanja imam za VAS, zasto ne mogu da potrosim novac na premium ili doublons preko visa ekectron card i drugo pitanje je zbog cega je cena istrazivanje jedna kada stignes do novog broda a kada ga platis je 30% veca

 

[Nokkeli]

Nokk,

 

Of course - I expected your kind of inane response - you will of course have some kind of 'private' connection with Wargaming.

 

Without Wargaming secret data - no customer can 'prove' anything can they? I don't have access to their code - they can code whatever rules they want. And that, is exactly how 'societies' manage people like us.

 

You of course are paid to say what you say - you got in on this post VERY quickly didn't you? With an image 'already prepared' for just this eventuality.

I find that very 'coincidental' - as will most logically thinking people.

 

Go away - it's not working.

 

Sem ;-)

 

Oh you got me. Please don't tell my WG boss or i will get fired and lose my preferential match making and all the other cool perks you get for being an undercover WG propaganda agent. 

 

Seriously do people like you think at all before you post? There is more than enough data an information around for you to look at but why do that when you can just blame others for you extremely bad performance. I don't know what you are doing but you must actively sabotage your team to get a 39% win rate, BTW the average win rate on EU is 50,11%.

[sirdurix]

hello my nickname is styrofoam and I am from Serbia, I have two questions for you, why can not I spend money on a premium or doublons over visa ekectron card and the second question is why is the price research is one when you get a new ship and when it pay is 30% higher

[Semillon]

 

Oh you got me. Please don't tell my WG boss or i will get fired and lose my preferential match making and all the other cool perks you get for being an undercover WG propaganda agent. 

 

Seriously do people like you think at all before you post? There is more than enough data an information around for you to look at but why do that when you can just blame others for you extremely bad performance. I don't know what you are doing but you must actively sabotage your team to get a 39% win rate, BTW the average win rate on EU is 50,11%.

 

Hmm, read what you posted - are you of this earth?

 

'My poor performance'?

 

What? In player 1 mode or player 2 mode? WHICH?

 

How can I possibly be ALWAYS poor in one and ALWAYS good in the other?

 

lol - too funny; your bias is too obvious.

 

Sem

[OldGrandad]

One thing missing out of the OP's argument - the human element. You throw a conspiracy firework into the bonfire and obviously there is going to be an effect. Come back with hard wired facts. By the way I have a second account and my alter-ego does very well (wish I did as well!). 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Nokkeli - you can't win this argument. We know that skill based MM hasn't been implemented. If it does get implemented then that would be great for balanced games. We also know that RNG isn't rigged from the start because such a system in a team game would be a) pointless (just balance the teams) and b) uneconomical to pursue. It would also be ridiculously obvious in game. Everyone would notice.

So there is no rigging. But to use phrases like "it goes against science itself" made me post out of sheer frustration.

 

OP:
- science has nothing to do with it you meant statistics
- and you clearly don't understand statistics

It's been explained before. Do a search on MM threads and "rigged games".

 

youve also played far too few games for statistics to kick in. 

[MrFingers]

Just to say, none of the alpha/weekend/beta testers are paid or affiliated by Wargaming, we can say whatever we want, without being sanctioned. We have these titles because we're the first players who played the game, and did capacity/stress tests.If you come here with some claims, and then start to insult other people who have a green name, you're not going to make yourself popular here.

 

but. If you're a software engineer, you would probably know that you need to post proof. Why not some printscreens of your battles battlescreens, some numbers,... First post some proofs/"proofs", then try to start a discussion.

 

(people who know me know that I'm HIGHLY critical of Wargaming, as are a lot of "green nicknames. But I can come up with numbers to back my claims. You can't)

[Semillon]

One thing missing out of the OP's argument - the human element. You throw a conspiracy firework into the bonfire and obviously there is going to be an effect. Come back with hard wired facts. By the way I have a second account and my alter-ego does very well (wish I did as well!). 

 

And there you have it! The ONLY argument is: "YOUR PERSONALITY CHANGES WHEN YOU LOG-IN TO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS"

 

Really? Is that really IT?

 

I play both accounts alternately - same day, same hour.

 

OMG!

 

Sem ;-)

 

[Gunship14]

We're all brainwashed here mate. You're right about the conspiracy theories and the propaganda.

 

Now please go find another game.

[Admiral_noodle]

 

And there you have it! The ONLY argument is: "YOUR PERSONALITY CHANGES WHEN YOU LOG-IN TO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS"

 

Really? Is that really IT?

 

I play both accounts alternately - same day, same hour.

 

OMG!

 

Sem ;-)

 

 

And you've played 90 odd games. It's ridiculous to draw comparisons between two accounts until you get to over 500 games at least. 

 

You're perception is biased. You can't see that. Explaining it to you wont work because you won't listen or won't understand or both. So this thread is redundant. 

[Semillon]

Look, for those of you that have invested your LIFE in Wargaming, that have spent tens of thousands of pounds - please don't comment - you cannot possibly accept that you have been ripped off.

 

Now honestly - can you?

 

You will defend your investment to the death (it's a psychological thing). Nothing personal, but please don't muddy the waters.

 

Thanks,

 

Sem

 

[Nokkeli]

 

Hmm, read what you posted - are you of this earth?

 

'My poor performance'?

 

What? In player 1 mode or player 2 mode? WHICH?

 

How can I possibly be ALWAYS poor in one and ALWAYS good in the other?

 

lol - too funny; your bias is too obvious.

 

Sem

Dude you have almost 400 games against bots. While against other players only 95 and your win rate is below 39 (on account: Semillon). Unfortunately you have not provided the name of your other account so now that i got fired from my WG propaganda agent job i can no longer use the hax tools to instantly know your other account. Are you sure you are not playing against bots on one account and against humans with the other. 

[Semillon]

Noodle,

 

You checked my second account for how many games?

 

Hmmm - thought not.

 

(Another 'committed' Wargamer - not thinking logically - just from the heart / amount of investment etc).

 

Sem

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Look, for those of you that have invested your LIFE in Wargaming, that have spent tens of thousands of pounds - please don't comment - you cannot possibly accept that you have been ripped off.

 

Now honestly - can you?

 

You will defend your investment to the death (it's a psychological thing). Nothing personal, but please don't muddy the waters.

 

Thanks,

 

Sem

 

 

Pounds... Oh noes you're British  

So I can keep commenting then by your criteria. Oh as can the rest I would imagine. Thousands of pounds. Hahahaha. 

 

If you want to debate, let's start with a single premiss to discuss rather than random thoughts

 

Sem - provide me with your other account and tell me what to look out for and I will. 

[Semillon]

The ONLY way for each and EVERY one of you to KNOW, is by creating a second account and getting ONE particular ship to the same standard in BOTH.

 

Then, come back and tell me that the game isn't fixed.

 

Am I wrong?

 

I want a SERIOUS discussion - not biased.

I CANNOT be biased - I win plenty with one and lose plenty with the other!

 

Sem

 

[Admiral_noodle]

The ONLY way for each and EVERY one of you to KNOW, is by creating a second account and getting ONE particular ship to the same standard in BOTH.

 

Then, come back and tell me that the game isn't fixed.

 

Am I wrong?

 

I want a SERIOUS discussion - not biased.

I CANNOT be biased - I win plenty with one and lose plenty with the other!

 

Sem

 

 

I may well have done that. But it's against the EULA so I'm not going to discuss it  

 

in in fact many players in WoT have "do over" accounts to star pad when they get good...

 

you actually said WG bias accounts to get them towards 50%. So how is their plan working if you lose with one account and win on another? How would bossing an account help anything?

 

You are wrong. Over time if you play both accounts at the same level of skill the numbers will converge. I guarantee it. You can't compare with only 90 games. Statistics are on my side. 500 games at least to see all the stats converge and only if you play the same ships the same amount on both. 

[Semillon]

Noodle,

 

And why on earth should 2 accounts be illegal in the EULA?

 

Can you think of ANY possible reason that would threaten game security or game play or advantage?

 

Nope - neither can I - except: being able to compare game play!

 

And, BTW, the EULA states an age limit - Wargaming DOES NOT ensure adherence to that in any way, shape or form (although legally - it MUST in Europe).

 

'Bossing' may be arbitrary: my 'poor' account, I probably started to perform effectively from the outset - that, may well be enough to 'flag' it (for a period, or permanently - I don't know).

All I DO know is that it DOES. 

 

You tell me - that's why I started this thread (not to be lambasted, but to think logically and establish what they are up-to).

 

Sem

 

 

 

 

[MrFingers]

For an engineer you have a shallow thinking and lack the critical insights and factual minds that a real engineer requires.

 

greetings,

a fellow (chemical) engineer.

[Admiral_noodle]

Noodle,

 

And why on earth should 2 accounts be illegal in the EULA?

 

Can you think of ANY possible reason that would threaten game security or game play or advantage?

 

Nope - neither can I - except: being able to compare game play!

 

And, BTW, the EULA states an age limit - Wargaming DOES NOT ensure adherence to that in any way, shape or form (although legally - it MUST in Europe).

 

'Bossing' may be arbitrary: my 'poor' account, I probably started to perform effectively from the outset - that, may well be enough to 'flag' it (for a period, or permanently - I don't know).

All I DO know is that it DOES. 

 

You tell me - that's why I started this thread (not to be lambasted, but to think logically and establish what they are up-to).

 

Sem

 

 

 

 

 

Ok it's one account per server. But anyway. Bossing - you "know" it does. I "know" it doesn't. Neither of us actually have proof but statistical evidence and common sense is on my side. Wait now I'm in an argument I told someone else they couldn't win!!