Statistics galore - State of WoWS (episode #4 - ze Germans / Russians)

[Crysantos]

Hey there!

 

Welcome to another episode of statistics galore - this week we'll take a look at the recently added German CAs (KM) and Russian DDs (SN). A few words to put these stats into perspective though first. These ships are new, a lot of players play them right now and only a handful advanced to the high-Tier zone - so be careful when taking a look at these statistics, due to the very limited playerbase the Tier VIII+ stats are not very reliable. Another few things to keep in mind - with a new line of cruisers and destroyers added you'll see a heavy influx of these ships in the low-mid Tiers, which means usually less damage for all classes due to MM (compared to other terms) - aaaand we'll have to see how things develop once these ships start to wear off their "brandnew" lure. And of course the XP numbers are off due to WG's tweaking of XP calculations on the personal stats pages. Source is as usual http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/index.html

 

But before we get started with these new ships I want to talk about something that (in my opinion, I'll always try to stay as objective as I can be but it's still just an opinion) needs to get more attention. The past weeks / months many players complained about a very BB heavy high Tier meta - which results in a difficult situation for cruisers that usually prey on each other and destroyers, while serving rather "supportive" character when fighting BBs. After the CV rebalance we've witnessed an increasing DD player base, but mostly IJN DDs. This results in the Yamato - Shimakaze - Meta (extended by Zao + Midway). I think we need to deal with this and look for ways to make a) cruiser gameplay more competitive without breaking it and b) take a look at the current IJN > USN trend. There's a reason why Yamatos are much preferred over Montanas (especially with low CA numbers) and why Shimakazes are so much popular than Gearings. Let's take a look at a few things here:

 

changes of playerbase since the last statistics galore thread:

 

playerbase gains / losses compared to the last term in percent:

 

My personal conclusion:

Yamatos, Shimakazes, Zaos and Midways are currently the better ships (check damage, winrate, etc.) and players usually go for the better ships. While we had almost equal numbers of each nation's BBs during the last term we've observed, we can see a clear Yamato bias right now. The Shimakaze is now at almost 4x the playerbase than the Gearing, the Midway managed to gain quite more players while Hakuryu's player numbers even dropped compared to the last term. Zaos are pretty popular and show the same pattern as the BBs did, while being on par the last term the Zao is more popular than the Des Moines now.

 

Feel free to discuss, but keep it nice and calm.

 

Now to the new lines, many players wondered how they'd perform compared to the other ships, so here are the raw numbers:

 

KM CAs vs. IJN / USN CAs:

 

Let's do it ship by ship with these new thingies because the performance of these lines are very inconsistent and not linear.

 

Tier I - Hermelin:

The Hermelin is pretty balanced right now when it comes to stats - it's right in between the Erie and Hashidate when it comes to damage and XP.

 

Tier II - Dresden

The Dresden is a very decent ship that most players are able to perform well in - it outperforms the other CAs by far all aspects.

 

Tier III - Kolberg

This is where the German troubles begin, in contrast to the Dresden the Kolberg fails to be competitive with the strong St. Louis and manages at least to achieve comparable results against the Tenryu.

 

Tier IV - Karlsruhe

Germans quickly renamed this...let's call it shiplike creature...to Karlshure. This ship manages to get outperformed by its Tier II and Tier III predecessors and stands absolutely no chance against its IJN / USN rivals.

 

Tier V - Königsberg

This ship is actually worth the grind through Tier IV - the amazing guns on this ship enable it to be the currently best CA on Tier V. Awesome damage and XP rates and on a personal note - an incredible fun ship to fight in.

 

Tier VI - Nürnberg

This feeble but capable ship has its perks and downsides - the very low armor profile is compensated by extreme long range and a decent accuracy, but the low damage done per shell results in average damage, somewhere in between Cleveland and Aoba. The higher XP gain is traded for less survivability and winrate though.

 

Tier VII - Yorck

The Yorck is pretty much the Pensacola of the KM - and that can be observed in the current stats, too. Myoko is still king of the hill and wrecks any of its sister ships on that Tier.

 

Tier VIII - Admiral Hipper

The Tier VIII cruiser is performing on par with the New Orleans, but like on Tier VII the IJN vessel manages to outperform both of them.

 

Tier IX - Roon

warning - low player numbers. Tier IX, the bane of any CA captain. This Tier is usually a hard grind for most CA players and the Roon won't make it much more enjoyable compared to the other nations. It's at least performing comparable to the Ibuki, leaving the Baltimore behind.

 

Tier X - Hindenburg

warning- very low player numbers! Currently somewhere in between Des Moines and Zao, but due to a playerbase of whooping 34 players not really comparable. It seems to do okay but nothing extraordinary.

 

Conclusion:

German cruisers are feeble, usually dealing with the least survivability and low per shell damage, but enjoy decent shell arcs and high rates of fire. Tier II and V do outstandingly well, Tier IV is a nightmare and the higher Tiers seem to be good allrounders. Nothing to be hyped about but we'll see how the planned buffs for certain Tiers are going to affect this picture.

 

SN CA vs. KM / IJN / USN CA:

 

Tier I - Orlan:

The Orlan is an amazing Tier I cruiser, especially with it's superior range compared to its German rival. The majority of players seem to be able to make use of it, resulting in top damage, winrate and even XP. We'll have to see how the SN CA line is going to be in general, but the Orlan is definetely a great ship on its Tier.

 

SN DDs vs. IJN / USN DDs:

 

Tier II - Storozhevoi

This ship is pretty much in between the amazing Umikaze and the meh-ish Sampson, the guns seem to be good enough to make up for the exteme low torpedo range.

 

Tier III - Derzki

One of the most interesting ships out there in my opinion - 5x torpedo launchers with limited 3km range - is damage-wise pretty balanced (slightly inferior to the Wakatake) with its rivals, but fails to get similar XP.

 

Tier IV - Izyaslav

The Izyaslav deals the same amount of damage as the Clemson while having the exact opposite XP phenomenon compared to Tier III, now it's doing better than the USN DD despite equal damage. The Isokaze is still the current ship to fo gor on Tier IV.

 

Tier V - Gnevny

Tier V DDs - usually dominated by the IJN Minekaze. But the Gnevny manages to actually threaten the playerbase's most favorite DD when it comes to performance - the damage is almost the same and the XP gained is even better, a high winrate seem to make it a capable opponent for the popular Minekaze.

 

Tier VI - Ognevoi

The russian DD dominates this Tier - top damage and XP, good winrate!

 

Tier VII - Kiev

The Kiev seems to be a beast - amazing damage, winrate, XP - clearly outclassing the other destroyers.

 

Tier VIII - Tashkent

Now it we witness the same problem we had with the KM CAs on high Tiers, low player numbers. The Tashkent is dealing slightly more damage than the Fubuki, has an equal XP income and the best winrate, but not by much. Benson s*cks.

 

Tier IX - Udaloi

warning - very low player numbers. It's dealing most damage, earns slightly less XP than the Kagero and has a decent winrate - seems to be balanced but these stats are relying on too few players to be reliable imho.

 

Tier X - Khabarovsk

warning - very low player numbers. This DD seems to be hurting from the low torpedo range and invisi-fire nerf to its guns, dealing least damage, gaining least XP and winning least games.

 

Conclusion:

Russian bias by WG? I don't think so. Low - mid-Tiers are pretty balanced, only Tier VI and VII are dominated by the SN DDs but it's not like they're outperforming strong ships on that Tier. The high Tier DDs can't be judged properly right now due to a very low player base but let's take a quick look at them - at Tier VIII and IX seem to be doing fine, on X the Russian DD seem to be inferior on paper after the detectability-nerf of the guns. They're actually performing better than I thought for mostly gun-focused DDs (compared to USN DDs). It'll be interesting to see how the upcoming buff of USN DDs is going to affect this shipclass. I'll keep you posted and take another look at these ships on high Tiers when we have a more reliable playerbase.

 

As usual, keep this thread clean from any "xx OP" toxic posts - try to stay polite and focus on ways to help make ships balanced while keeping their individual style. Thx for taking the time to read this, I hope you enjoy it! If you want to see any other statistics let me know, I'll try to make it happen. I'll include the top10% / top 10 player stats the next days, too (at least for certain Tiers).

 

UPDATE - top 10 % players stats

Sorry, RL got the better of me the past days - here's the promised top 10% playerbase stats analysis:

 

KM CAs vs. IJN / USN CAs:

 

 

Tier I - Hermelin:

We can see the same pattern like we did for the average player, damage / xp in between both other factions but a very decent winrate.

 

Tier II - Dresden

The best Tier II CA for average players is also the best Tier II CA for the better players, highest score in damage, XP and winrate.

 

Tier III - Kolberg

Average Tenryu players weren't able to surpass the Kolberg in damage, but the better players do more damage. The USN and even IJN ships seem to be able to offer more damage and XP potential than their german rival - we'll see if the recent buff is going to change that.

 

Tier IV - Karlsruhe

The worst cruiser on Tier IV for the average Joe, are the top10% able to squeeze more out of it? Nope, the gap even widens - the Karlsruhe is even outperformed by any Tier III CA. Sad ship, we'll have to see what the buff could improve.

 

Tier V - Königsberg

One of the most popular ships right now and we can see why - average players had no problem making use of the Königsberg's amazing guns and agility - and we can see the same picture for the top 10%:

 

Tier VI - Nürnberg

Now this is a very interesting ship - the very low armor profile and high vulnerability for engine/rudder damage make this ship very feeble and squishy, but the guns can make up for it. Average players managed to be on par with the other nations, but the better players are able to make this ship shine - best damage and XP, but lower winrate.

 

Tier VII - Yorck

The Yorck doesn't have a good reputation on the EU server right now and performed like the also unloved Pensacola for the common player. But here we can see the same improvement for skilled players - the Yorck is able to outperform the Pensacola but of course, it's not able to compete with the Myoko

 

Tier VIII - Admiral Hipper / Tier IX - Roon / Tier X - Hindenburg

Sorry, but too few players to make any reliable statement here, but I've included the data for you anyway

 

Conclusion:

Authentic or not, the German CAs have a pretty consistent set of attributes and set it apart from the other nations - squishy but accurate, high rof guns. They're not the best allrounders but they have a certain lure for players who like to bombard their enemies with a sh*tload of shells while avoiding enemy shells.

 

SN DDs vs. IJN / USN DDs:

 

Tier II - Storozhevoi

The Umikaze is still by far the best DD on this Tier - the SN DD is able to outperform the weak Sampson but has problems to gain more XP than the USN ship.

 

Tier III - Derzki

The Derpski is an amazing ship, in my opinion - just wanted to drop that here again, love it. But are the top 10% players able to make use of its strong side? Not really, we see the same picture we observed for the average players, the Derzki is slightly better / on par with the Wickes but has huge problems gaining XP (WG wtf?) - the Wakatake is doing better than both.

 

Tier IV - Izyaslav

Tier IV is pretty much consistent with Tier III, the Izyaslav is able to beat the Clemson with a narrow margin - but stands no chance against the Isokaze.

 

Tier V - Gnevny

It's happening! We saw that the average Joe is apparently able to do comparable damage to the Minekaze and now we can see - the top 10% are able to beat their Minekaze buddies - highest damage, XP, winrate and even survival rate.

 

Tier VI - Ognevoi

The Ognevoi is the current king of Tier VI DDs - doing substantially more damage, XP!

 

Tier VII - Kiev

The Kiev - what a beast. Doing almost twice the damage than its competitors on the top 10% players - amazing ship apparently, this Tier definetely needs a rebalance.

 

Tier VIII - Tashkent / Tier IX - Udaloi / Tier X - Khabarovsk

Sorry, but too few players to make any reliable statement here, but I've included the data for you anyway

 

Conclusion:

Low-Tier SN DDs are pretty balanced but can't compete with the Japanese Navy, but they're able to dominate the Tier V - VII DDs. Russian bias? I don't see it but WG needs to monitor Tier VI / VII, especially the Kiev looks incredibly strong on paper (dealing twice the damage than other DDs and outperforming Myokos).

[YesYesYall]

Annother enjoyable read, tx very much.

It will be interesting to see what influence more people playing the more uncommon ships has - it's early days.

[Takeda92]

Nice analysis. 

 

Btw, why the new German and Russian tier 1,2 3 and showing 5 times more players than USN and IJN, even double the number of players compared to IJN and USN combined? It doesn't make sense to me.

[elladaris]

thanks for this crysantos......i hope some time to play together....im wating to see you in battles.

[von_Boeg]

Nice analysis. 

 

Btw, why the new German and Russian tier 1,2 3 and showing 5 times more players than USN and IJN, even double the number of players compared to IJN and USN combined? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Nice analysis. 

 

Btw, why the new German and Russian tier 1,2 3 and showing 5 times more players than USN and IJN, even double the number of players compared to IJN and USN combined? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

It is new players since the 24/10 to the 31/10.

 

 

[Lightbaron]

Nice analysis. 

 

Btw, why the new German and Russian tier 1,2 3 and showing 5 times more players than USN and IJN, even double the number of players compared to IJN and USN combined? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

If it's also playerbase since the last term it is obvious that most players are already done with the low tiers of the longer existing lines and they are only played by people who like and kept them or beginners (of that line).

Contrary many people who are already done with the other lines started to play those new lines and are with that included in the "active player number".

 

As it happens that the Russian t1 is also a Cruiser it is missing out in both charts.

It would be nice to know how it performs compared to the other three t1 ships.

Looking at the link it appears to be on top above the other t1 ships with roughly 9.8k average damage and a 53-ish% WR.

However given that this values include a high number of experienced players to a probably more inexperienced playerbase of the other ships in this term that might even out in the next future when the experienced people are higher up in that line.

Edit: Same could also happen to the Hermelin as she lures inexperienced people into closing in with her low range and making them regret it afterwards.

[Takeda92]

I see, I don't know how I missed that one, brain fart. Thanks von_Boeg and Lightbaron.

[Babykim]

Great summary! Thx. So basically Tier IV - Karlsruhe is the only ship worth skipping using free exp. Agree?

[Fi_8_8_8_8]

Thanks for this great sum up.

Confirms my suspicion about IJN cruisers at T7-T8. US and KM cruisers need a serious buff on those tiers. Torps for US cruisers would be more than welcome 

[allufewig]

Extremely poor blancing on the higher tiers.

 

The meta always indicated the strongest ships pretty precisely. People are going for Shima instead of Gearing, Zao instead of DM and Midway instead of Hakuryu, simply because these are the stronger ships for the very most of players/playstyles.

[Tr1umph]

 

wow im on rank 35 in BB higher tier :O

[Crysantos]

 

If it's also playerbase since the last term it is obvious that most players are already done with the low tiers of the longer existing lines and they are only played by people who like and kept them or beginners (of that line).

Contrary many people who are already done with the other lines started to play those new lines and are with that included in the "active player number".

 

As it happens that the Russian t1 is also a Cruiser it is missing out in both charts.

It would be nice to know how it performs compared to the other three t1 ships.

Looking at the link it appears to be on top above the other t1 ships with roughly 9.8k average damage and a 53-ish% WR.

However given that this values include a high number of experienced players to a probably more inexperienced playerbase of the other ships in this term that might even out in the next future when the experienced people are higher up in that line.

Edit: Same could also happen to the Hermelin as she lures inexperienced people into closing in with her low range and making them regret it afterwards.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, I've included it now (in between German CAs and Soviet DDs analysis).

 

In general, yes we need to take into account that a new line draws audience from inexperienced to veterans, while "older" Tier I-III ships mostly attract new players with no experience. We'll have to see how things are going to develop the next weeks but I'm pretty sure we won't see any major changes in general.

 

Great summary! Thx. So basically Tier IV - Karlsruhe is the only ship worth skipping using free exp. Agree?

 

Judging from the stats...the Yorck isn't a great grind, either. But check it out for yourself, maybe it fits your personal style - I always tell people to try things out on their own, what might not work for the majority might be your personal favorite or the opposite.

[xeransa]

I'd like to know how many Karlsruhe players are spamming HE as the ship has the worst HE damage at tier 4 for CAs but the best AP at that tier. When I started playing the Karl I used HE a fair bit till I noticed that it had much better AP and when I almost exclusively used AP (even on BBs and DDs) my average damage went up and now sits at 31k+. Is it a coincidence that the CA with the best HE damage (Kuma) also does the best damage?

[t0ffik1]

Niceand i agree with most of what OP said but i have a single note... more players =/= automaticly best/superior ships.

For example Gearing even if has low player pool (lower then IJN) currently holds better stats yet you say shimekaze is better and stronger... I would say that the player base number is not only connected to how powerfull a ship is but also to how easy it is to use the ships potential. Ofc its easier to spam 15 torps from 10-15k range and wait for dmg then for example balance on visibility range and shoot ships while dodging shots.

For that reason i would say it is why the longer ranged torp dd's are more popular - its relative easy to be effective with it.

Its exacly like in cleaveland... the stats are very similar, yet it has 2-3x the player pool of aoba why? because an idiot can abuse the stupid fire mechanics by spamming, where if you know where cleavelands citadel is, you can hit it as easy as other cruisers.

Stats yes show that Yamato is probably stronger then Montana (well he has superior armor, higher cal by desing ect) and Midway is way OP over Hakiryu and Zao with his invisibility shooting and way shorter shell flying time is stronger then Des Moins, but i wouldnt dare to say for now that Gearing (specially with the incomming buffs if he actually needs them is the question) is inferior to Shimekaze.

 

For cruisers... i would like to see more smarter cruisers players, as from what i see currently noticed, you can see many smarter dd players, many smarter bb players, but the smart cruiser player pool is almost non existant (it was actually existant in open beta, damn in 130 ranked games i've seen like 5-10 smart cruiser player and the rest was afk yachters or idiots) dont know why cruisers currently purposly ignore dd and just chase after bb's but i wouldnt say its the class fault but its the players who dont know what they are doing.

 

There should be more information about what cruiser should do (first focus DD's and not get in 12k under broadsiding to a BB!!!!!!!!!), and maybe make the fire mechanics weaker for more HE dmg and maybe little heals on medium tiers also (so cruisers are not base alone on 2-3 fires from 1 salvo luck or 75 hits in 1 match with HE and not a single fire like i had on Aoba). 

Another way of this would be to allow tier 6+ cruisers to have both hydro-acustic and the AA active in the same time, as pre tier 6 cruisers are mostly dedicated to hunt DD's are carriers are balanced to that tier, but with later tiers carrier start to become OP (even match making is forced around them) and thus cruisers have to sacrifice the hydroacustic for AA consumable, making their DD fighting power considerably lower (and again we are stuck as bb's with equall or superior AA not having the same effective AA - forcing increased spread on enemy planes / late game carriers out of balance).

Currently adds to all these also that cruisers are fairly nimble but they lack the concealment of dd's so they are harder to play if your not vigilant (and most players in low/med tiers are afk yachters = bane of cruisers and lower player pool in higher tiers).

 

It seems that cruisers on later tiers seem to suffer of WG not able to balance carriers and that they are forced to pick 1 side role from 2 they got on tier 6+. This means isntead of allowing them to do what they did on early tiers, the long range spam dd's have free line to do it as they know cruisers will have AA consumable for 99% chances.

[Crysantos]

Nice but a note to OP... more players =/= automaticly best/superior ships.

For example Gearing even if has low player pool (lower then IJN) currently holds better stats yet you say shimekaze is better and stronger... I would say that the player base number is not only connected to how powerfull a ship is but also to how easy it is to use the ships potential. Ofc its easier to spam 15 torps from 10-15k range and wait for dmg then for example balance on visibility range and shoot ships while dodging shots.

For that reason i would say it is why the longer ranged torp dd's are more popular - its relative easy to be effective with it.

Its exacly like in cleaveland... the stats are very similar, yet it has 2-3x the player pool of aoba why? because an idiot can abuse the stupid fire mechanics by spamming, where if you know where cleavelands citadel is, you can hit it as easy as other cruisers.

Stats yes show that Yamato is probably stronger then Montana (well he has superior armor, higher cal by desing ect) and Midway is way OP over Hakiryu and Zao with his invisibility shooting and way shorter shell flying time is stronger then Des Moins, but i wouldnt dare to say for now that Gearing (specially with the incomming buffs if he actually needs them is the question) is inferior to Shimekaze.

 

For cruisers... i would like to see more smarter cruisers players, as from what i see currently noticed, you can see many smarter dd players, many smarter bb players, but the smart cruiser player pool is almost non existant (it was actually existant in open beta, damn in 130 ranked games i've seen like 5-10 smart cruiser player and the rest was afk yachters or idiots) dont know why cruisers currently purposly ignore dd and just chase after bb's but i wouldnt say its the class fault but its the players who dont know what they are doing.

There should be more information about what cruiser should do (first focus DD's and not get in 12k under broadsiding to a BB!!!!!!!!!), and maybe make the fire mechanics weaker for more HE dmg and maybe little heals on medium tiers also (so cruisers are not base alone on 2-3 fires from 1 salvo luck or 75 hits in 1 match with HE and not a single fire like i had on Aoba).

Currently its just that cruisers are fairly nimble but they lack the concealment of dd's so they are harder to play if your not vigilant (and most players in low/med tiers are afk yachters = bane of cruisers and lower player pool in higher tiers).

 

Where is the Gearing stronger? The winrate is slightly higher (below 1% difference though), the XP are actually useless on TX and the damage is higher on the Shimakaze - this issue becomes more prominent if we take a look at the top 10% players, where the Gearing loses its winrate advantage over the Shimakaze (4% difference now in favor of Shimakaze), while the IJN DD manages to outclass the USN DD by even more damage than the average player (11k more damage, almost 20% more). With the current game mechanics more damage usually translates simply into better performance and higher winrate. So is the Gearing better / worse? All I can say is that right now, with the current meta of many BBs the Shimakaze is the better suited ship for that, apparently. The Gearing has its perks but its obvious that the IJN DD is more popular and performs better.

 

To be quite frank, wtf are you talking about the non-existant smart cruiser player pool? I know quite a few very decent of them and all of them are currently exhausted playing their CAs when constantly getting dunked by BBs or taken down by a defensive torp carpet of a Shimakaze. My question would be, where do you get that kind of impression, I don't see any real high Tier games on your part besides the 15x Nagato games? Sorry but I fail to see where you'd get that impression or even opinion if not even playing on that Tier to judge about the quality of players there?

[t0ffik1]

Dmg =/= win rate as you see, so dmg isnt the only aspect to look when balancing out classes if you judge how good ship is only by dmg then your terribly wrong.

And it seems you even fail to check every stats as its 15+128 in nagato alone but well i know ppl like to look at part statistics.

Btw considering your own words... low player pool means stats can be not precise enough - yet you still claim one is much stronger then other only by jugding the notprecise stats in case of DD's... I would wait a little to see more players get them (and US dd line is harder to grind then IJN one has also affect on player pool).

 

And i dont know, maybe you know few good players in cruisers, but i know only one for now and in 128 games ranked like i said i played i saw like 5-10 good cruisers max, thats why even stopped to buy any higher tier ships, as its pointless to go further where the classes are even less balanced. Ofc in higher tiers there will be some other good players, but still i doubt by miracle i will find a gazillion of good cruiser players where i almost didnt noticed any in 700-800 games (and considering im divisioning with other iter 7's im fairly often on fuso or nagato im matched vs tier 8-9's and i still see craploads of afk yachting idiots cruisers in 10-12k range showing broadsides - hah even yesterday i managed ot 100-0 a mogami as he was afk yachting to my nagato on 12k range).

Damn i even had the "pleasure" to face Yamatos in a fuso and nagato ty to the stupid match making divisions.

And if you actually read my post better then you checked my stats (yeah i know its hard to click 2 buttons) you would actually understand what i wrote in my post and why it is that cruisers are in such heavy position currently (yes ill copy paste it to you

 

"It seems that cruisers on later tiers seem to suffer of WG not able to balance carriers and that they are forced to pick 1 side role from 2 they got on tier 6+. This means isntead of allowing them to do what they did on early tiers, the long range spam dd's have free line to do it as they know cruisers will have AA consumable for 99% chances."

 

And no for now on my NA account i didnt notice any shimekazes being op (as carriers on NA server manage to scout for them) - but i know few playes team playing is OP.

 

Edit - btw cruisers are meant to run from bb's dont you think? its enough they have better AA and DD fighitng capabalities, giving them more power would only make everyone use cruisers. I would actually see with pleasure the dmg kept (maybe less balanced around fire and more for HE dmg per shot) but have access in the same time to hydro-acustic and AA consumable and not have to choose, as making cruiser choose one side role from 2 in current state is what makes them for me feel so mediacore = no by beaing a jack of all trades like cruiser you cant be super in them all, where bb's and dd's excell in 1 type for it.

[Crysantos]

Dmg =/= win rate as you see, so dmg isnt the only aspect to look when balancing out classes if you judge how good ship is only by dmg then your terribly wrong.

And it seems you even fail to check every stats as its 15+128 in nagato alone but well i know ppl like to look at part statistics.

Btw considering your own words... low player pool means stats can be not precise enough - yet you still claim one is much stronger then other only by jugding the notprecise stats in case of DD's... I would wait a little to see more players get them (and US dd line is harder to grind then IJN one has also affect on player pool).

 

And i dont know, maybe you know few good players in cruisers, but i know only one for now and in 128 games ranked like i said i played i saw like 5-10 good cruisers max, thats why even stopped to buy any higher tier ships, as its pointless to go further where the classes are even less balanced. Ofc in higher tiers there will be some other good players, but still i doubt by miracle i will find a gazillion of good cruiser players where i almost didnt noticed any in 700-800 games (and considering im divisioning with other iter 7's im fairly often on fuso or nagato im matched vs tier 8-9's and i still see craploads of afk yachting idiots cruisers in 10-12k range showing broadsides - hah even yesterday i managed ot 100-0 a mogami as he was afk yachting to my nagato on 12k range).

And if you actually read my post better then you checked my stats (yeah i know its hard to click 2 buttons) you would actually understand what i wrote in my post and why it is that cruisers are in such heavy position currently (yes ill copy paste it to you

 

"It seems that cruisers on later tiers seem to suffer of WG not able to balance carriers and that they are forced to pick 1 side role from 2 they got on tier 6+. This means isntead of allowing them to do what they did on early tiers, the long range spam dd's have free line to do it as they know cruisers will have AA consumable for 99% chances."

 

And no for now on my NA account i didnt notice any shimekazes being op (as carriers on NA server manage to scout for them) - but i know few playes team playing is OP.

 

Dude, keep it calm and nice in here. To make this short, somebody who blames the lack of skill of every CA captain for their miserable state isn't somebody I can or want to constructively discuss with - you are entitled to your opinion as everybody else, but please post it somewhere else.

[RogDodgeUK]

May i suggest you tone down the attitude levels in here and keep things civil.

 

many thanks

RogDodgeUK

[Eternus_Damnatio]

Up to the Yorck on the German line and stopped right there. The ship is atrocious turrets are slower than a BB turns like an oil tanker and the shell arc is ridiculous. To compound this the guns only ever get minimum damage from anything over 10km. And as soon as the range closes your turrets are a serious liability and modules get taken out too easy.
Konigsberg is the only ship I enjoyed from the line but still suffers from way too much module damage. And the Omaha is way better.

As for current ships the Des Moines AA is pretty poor compared to the Balti more longer range guns with low dps that don't seem to scratch t9/10 planes. Also turrets are way too weak.

Midway well just a joke right now manual drop is ridiculous as it is across all CV's. The Midway being the biggest issue though as you just send two grouped TB sqns manual drop on anything with their tight spread and it's dead or good as. No chance for any avoidance.

Shimekaze 20km wall of torp spam is just plain stupid in the context of the game.
They can spam torps further than their supposed counter the cruisers can even fire. And because of this you can end up in situations where winning is not even possible as the Shime can just skirt round capping points while spamming torps. With no chance of being spotted. And the law of averages state you will be hit sooner or later.

The Yamato can pen the Montana at pretty much any angle while only needing a small angle itself to deflect pretty much everything bar lucky hits.

[OVanBruce]

Devs mentioned already that there won't be utter balance on tier X. Eg: they already said that IJN CA(s) will be the best, same with USN CV(s)

 

And I bet they plan to make STRONK soviet paper BBs to be the best just to enable the usual USA vs USSR cold war stuff.

[Crysantos]

To be honest, I don't have a problem with a certain imbalance within a modest scope - it's the rather big gap between ships that makes it unfair and results in a more and more one-sided meta in the long run.

[Crysantos]

btw. due to the lack of playerbase at higher Tiers I'll only add the top 10% players tomorrow, top are going to follow when we have enough data ☺

[von_Boeg]

When does the stats update?

[Crysantos]

When does the stats update?

 

Sorry, got a busy weekend - I've included the top 10% stats in the first post. Enjoy - the next episode will be... when I think we need to take a look at things - not sure with the 0.5.1 armor derp and its aftermath.

[Takru]

Armor derp possibly fixed today, moaaaar stats!