This game is no longer fun but boring, see why.

[Antony1953]

 

I've been playing for over a month now and once I had worked out how things ran, with the help of some of you kind people, I really enjoyed the first couple of weeks playing. Dying here and winning there, you know what I mean. Great fun.

But the past 10 days or so has been boring as hell, not because the game is easy or tough but because the game is just downright unfair.

Enemy ships that appear almost out of nowhere, within range and guns aimed at you and usually in pairs at least. You're dead.

Or the great smoke screen fiasco where ships just keep disappearing and reappearing further along still firing at you and by the time you've turned you guns or your ship to the new position its too late. You're dead.

Or where your ship keeps drifting away from the line you have set ( with collision avoidance switched off) until you find yourself pointing in the wrong direction unable to maintain firing accuracy especially during the heat of battle. You're dead.

Or the one that annoys me the most is when you're tracking along side a ship firing like hell directly into its hull with no effect, that's zero, nada. Only to get a few shells back that are always so damned accurate and deliver bad damage to you. You're dead.

My ships are the Mermansk and Aurora ,plus the freebies, which I suppose are both basic in their class, but for me they were both fun to play with. The important word there is FUN.

Now its just death and destruction almost every game. No fun at all.

I'm sure there are many of you that will say I'm just crap at the game, you maybe right but before all this I was winning more often than not and having FUN.

Some may say I've got the wrong ships, you may be right there as well but that doesn't change the inherent unfairness that the game is delivering at the moment.

So I'm thinking now of leaving WoW ( I'm sure I'll be missed so much ) and going back to Battlestations Pacific and Midway which are older games but are great fun and with graphics similar to WoW. Any advice or help with this would be appreciated, perhaps suggestions around better ships that kind of thing. But please no more insults about my age or how doddery I must be or maybe I should stick to board games instead. I've heard them all and right now I need help from the community not sarcasm so I can decide what I should do next.

Sorry about the length of this tirade.

[Vogel]

Since nothing have changed regarding the above scenarios, then you must have done something right the first couple of weeks?

 

1. Look up ship concealment stats ingame, and you'll never be surprised again. DDs have around 7, CAs 10 and BB 18 km detection range

2. DDs that activate smoke will bellow out clouds periodically, thus concealing them for a short time until they sail out of the blob. And DDs can hardly kill you that fast with guns alone, unless you are playing a DD as well.

3. Remember at short ranges that your front guns and rear guns will have different trajectory/distance to target if you and your enemy is not directly parallel to each other. WIll cause some shells to hit differently than the rest.

 

But the main point is still that nothing regarding those mechanics you have described have been changed in the last two months or so, so you should in theory have as much fun now as when you started playing. 

[Damanta]

I'm amazed that you managed over 1200 battles against bots (yes, I looked up your profile, to see how you are doing with your ships).

 

You seem to have a pretty decent score in the Aurora with 26k average in co-op, so my suggestion would be to try and find some people to team up with, and be the wolfpack that seems to get you riled up. Also, play in the random mode instead of co-op.

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Would suggest looking at YouTube videos and tutorials.

 

If you know how the detection mechanic actually works the ships suddenly appearing does become less annoying. If you play dds as well you'll understand how they play and thus can outwit them

 

For maximising your damage and taking the minimum I suggest learning about angling and the correct ammo selection - and where to fire.

 

It is much mor *fun* when you are the one dealing the damage and not taking as much in return.

 

Recommended channels on YouTube:

Notser

Ichasegaming

[PuchForLife]

The only thing that has changed the past few weeks is the aperance of the german cruisers and if ur in a murmansk u may have encounterd a koningsberg. I one shot or two shot those things fairly regularly in my koningsberg.

 

Only sugestions i can make is keep your distance from te tV and up german cruisers. And learn how to dance around enemy shots

[AgarwaenME]

I wonder if the OP knows he's only playing against computer controlled opponents? Because the reason for him "winning more often than not" is that 90%+ WR in coop is hard to go under.

 

Possibly you changed from coop to random? Because that's going to be a harsh awakening after 1200 coop battles. Because contrary to what some wannabe elitist trolls would say, bots are still no match at all for an actual player behind the helm.

 

And while I guess he's more suited to pve, and it's nice if he realises that, the things he's noticing is rather most likely to be due to his ignorance about specific mechanics.

 

As people have noted, check youtube, though I'd avoid those more aimed toward err.. lets say, the tier above your current skill level, and more the videos about the pure basics. Like jingles "how not to suck" videos.

[Nagine]

I'm amazed that you managed over 1200 battles against bots (yes, I looked up your profile, to see how you are doing with your ships).

 

 

Indeed, 1200 co-op battles vs 7 random games. I would say you are missing quite a lot of this game. Of course, you are fully entitled to avoid random games, since environment in co-op much is more relaxed. However, random games can be very good for learning (even at tier 2). Most importantly, don't exit a battle as soon as you die, but observe your team mates (especially the ones with most kills). For example, observing destroyers will give you a hint how to fight against them. So at the beginning don't be afraid to die - it's part of the learning process

And I suspect the main reason of your frustration is Murmansk. Previously you played tier 1-3 battles and suddenly you got into tier 5 with much more powerful and punishing ships. Don't rush tiers.

 

Believe me, the game is fun, you just have to give some time for learning the mechanics.

[33rdAngel]

Antony stick with Co-Op games, contrary to what others may think & say bots can be a challenge especially for new players. I suspect the problem may be due to the quality of your team mates as I have noticed recently a glut of players with high tier premium ships playing with little thought for the other members of their team hence loss. Try to avoid being isolated against superior numbers of the enemy even if their ships are lesser tiers than yours, volume of fire can be devastating. Also try avoid being drawn too far away from your base at the start that doesn't mean camp in your base just be in a position to get back to cover an enemy DD trying to cap bots do that as they do not have the "KILL ALL" mentality some of the human players you will meet have.

Random games can be soul destroying to a player whose ships & captains lack experience so build both up in Co-Op yes I know its a long grind but I have found it to be the best way forward.

The advice re "find a team mate to Division with" is sound advice, try not to be disheartened this game can be frustrating but it is also great fun if you can persevere.

Good Luck

Regards Angel

P.S Murmansk & Aurora are good ships against bots :-)

[Earl_of_Northesk]

600 Aurora battles. 600. In Co-op. Amazing.

 

Help this guy, he sure loves the game.

Isn't playing like that a bit...repetitive??

[Kenliero]

Playing co-op becomes boring after a while. It happens in most games. Easymode sounds nice, but nice is boring. You need challenges, and don't be afraid if losing, because losing will make you better player and force you to learn. Like Schwarzenegger said "don't be afraid to fail", because that is the key to success

[GODclickerTHEskyEMPEROR]

Playing co-op becomes boring after a while. It happens in most games. Easymode sounds nice, but nice is boring. You need challenges, and don't be afraid if losing, because losing will make you better player and force you to learn. Like Schwarzenegger said "don't be afraid to fail", because that is the key to success

 

Losing makes you better only if you are capable of understanding the mechanics of the game, recognizing the core principles that guide them and lead you to a victory. And then being deprived of ego-filter to such extent that you can actually admit and see where you have failed to live up to the standards that a victorious state requires.

 

Most people will never acquire this ability. Not to the point they'd be conscious of it. They will go through a lot trials and errors, many of which will be of the same nature. It might take 100 games to get hold of something through only playing the game, it might take 1 game to get hold of the same thing, through playing the game, then analyzing it and giving it some thought.

 

Only adding this as I don't like misleading nature of half-assed advices. I believe the full understanding of interconnectedness of all things ought to be provided.

[Bulrim]

Antony1953 why haven't you gone any further than tier 2 ships in the tech tree?

[Bulrim]

Antony1953 if you're getting bored try something different, you've played over 1200 co-op battles in cruisers, 1100 in tier 3 or lower. You've not played a single game in a battleship or a destroyer be it co-op or random.

 

It looks like you enjoy the more relaxed co-op battles to random, nothing wrong with that, but try some different classes or use that mountain of xp you've got and unlock some higher tiers. I'd try JPN destroyers first as their stealthy torpedo style is very different to what you're probably used to. 

[Samurai__]

 

 

 

 

Or the one that annoys me the most is when you're tracking along side a ship firing like hell directly into its hull with no effect, that's zero, nada. Only to get a few shells back that are always so damned accurate and deliver bad damage to you. You're dead.

 

If you get very close to the enemy (1-2 km) and you are still fully zoomed in, you will find that, due to the position of the guns with respect to the camera, your shells will not go where you aim.  Try un-zooming a few steps as you get closer and you shells will suddenly become more accurate again.  Bots don't have this zoom issue so they are always relatively accurate...

[__Katniss__]

Just 1 advice. Switch that shiny button in game menu from Co-op to Random and enjoy human bots 

 

[Antony1953]

Vogel, on 01 November 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

Since nothing have changed regarding the above scenarios, then you must have done something right the first couple of weeks?

 

1. Look up ship concealment stats ingame, and you'll never be surprised again. DDs have around 7, CAs 10 and BB 18 km detection range

2. DDs that activate smoke will bellow out clouds periodically, thus concealing them for a short time until they sail out of the blob. And DDs can hardly kill you that fast with guns alone, unless you are playing a DD as well.

3. Remember at short ranges that your front guns and rear guns will have different trajectory/distance to target if you and your enemy is not directly parallel to each other. WIll cause some shells to hit differently than the rest.

 

But the main point is still that nothing regarding those mechanics you have described have been changed in the last two months or so, so you should in theory have as much fun now as when you started playing.

 

Thanks for the advice Vogel, I'll put it to good use.
 

Damanta, on 01 November 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

I'm amazed that you managed over 1200 battles against bots (yes, I looked up your profile, to see how you are doing with your ships).

 

You seem to have a pretty decent score in the Aurora with 26k average in co-op, so my suggestion would be to try and find some people to team up with, and be the wolfpack that seems to get you riled up. Also, play in the random mode instead of co-op.

 

 

 

I can't believe I've done 1200 battles either, do I get a medal or something?
 

Admiral_noodle, on 01 November 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

Would suggest looking at YouTube videos and tutorials.

If you know how the detection mechanic actually works the ships suddenly appearing does become less annoying. If you play dds as well you'll understand how they play and thus can outwit them

For maximising your damage and taking the minimum I suggest learning about angling and the correct ammo selection - and where to fire.

It is much mor *fun* when you are the one dealing the damage and not taking as much in return.

Recommended channels on YouTube:
Notser
Ichasegaming

 

Thanks Admiral Noodle, I don't normally bother with you tube but now is a good time to start I guess.
 

PuchForLife, on 01 November 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

The only thing that has changed the past few weeks is the aperance of the german cruisers and if ur in a murmansk u may have encounterd a koningsberg. I one shot or two shot those things fairly regularly in my koningsberg.

Only sugestions i can make is keep your distance from te tV and up german cruisers. And learn how to dance around enemy shots

 

Thanks PuchForLife.
 

AgarwaenME, on 02 November 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

I wonder if the OP knows he's only playing against computer controlled opponents? Because the reason for him "winning more often than not" is that 90%+ WR in coop is hard to go under.

 

Possibly you changed from coop to random? Because that's going to be a harsh awakening after 1200 coop battles. Because contrary to what some wannabe elitist trolls would say, bots are still no match at all for an actual player behind the helm.

 

And while I guess he's more suited to pve, and it's nice if he realises that, the things he's noticing is rather most likely to be due to his ignorance about specific mechanics.

 

As people have noted, check youtube, though I'd avoid those more aimed toward err.. lets say, the tier above your current skill level, and more the videos about the pure basics. Like jingles "how not to suck" videos.

 

Thank you for the info AgarwaenME.
 
 

Nagine, on 02 November 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

 

Indeed, 1200 co-op battles vs 7 random games. I would say you are missing quite a lot of this game. Of course, you are fully entitled to avoid random games, since environment in co-op much is more relaxed. However, random games can be very good for learning (even at tier 2). Most importantly, don't exit a battle as soon as you die, but observe your team mates (especially the ones with most kills). For example, observing destroyers will give you a hint how to fight against them. So at the beginning don't be afraid to die - it's part of the learning process

And I suspect the main reason of your frustration is Murmansk. Previously you played tier 1-3 battles and suddenly you got into tier 5 with much more powerful and punishing ships. Don't rush tiers.

 

Believe me, the game is fun, you just have to give some time for learning the mechanics.

 

Thank you for the reply Nagine, you offer wise words of advice.
 

33rdAngel, on 02 November 2015 - 01:16 AM, said:

Antony stick with Co-Op games, contrary to what others may think & say bots can be a challenge especially for new players. I suspect the problem may be due to the quality of your team mates as I have noticed recently a glut of players with high tier premium ships playing with little thought for the other members of their team hence loss. Try to avoid being isolated against superior numbers of the enemy even if their ships are lesser tiers than yours, volume of fire can be devastating. Also try avoid being drawn too far away from your base at the start that doesn't mean camp in your base just be in a position to get back to cover an enemy DD trying to cap bots do that as they do not have the "KILL ALL" mentality some of the human players you will meet have.

Random games can be soul destroying to a player whose ships & captains lack experience so build both up in Co-Op yes I know its a long grind but I have found it to be the best way forward.

The advice re "find a team mate to Division with" is sound advice, try not to be disheartened this game can be frustrating but it is also great fun if you can persevere.

Good Luck

Regards Angel

P.S Murmansk & Aurora are good ships against bots :-)

 

Thanks Angel, its good to know my ships aren't to blame for my troubles.
 

Earl_of_Northesk, on 02 November 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

600 Aurora battles. 600. In Co-op. Amazing.

 

Help this guy, he sure loves the game.

Isn't playing like that a bit...repetitive??

 

Yes, to an extent it gets repetitive which I suppose could lead to my getting bored of the game, but most of the time I just wanna kick some [edited]and blow stuff out of the water and yes I do love the game which makes me even more frustrated that I've now lost the fun factor.
 

GODclickerTHEskyEMPEROR, on 02 November 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

At least try to learn to play before you spout non-sense.

 

Its not nonsense to me.
 
 

Kenliero, on 02 November 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Playing co-op becomes boring after a while. It happens in most games. Easymode sounds nice, but nice is boring. You need challenges, and don't be afraid if losing, because losing will make you better player and force you to learn. Like Schwarzenegger said "don't be afraid to fail", because that is the key to success

 

Thanks Kenliero, if Arnold says it then it must be true.
 

GODclickerTHEskyEMPEROR, on 02 November 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

 

Losing makes you better only if you are capable of understanding the mechanics of the game, recognizing the core principles that guide them and lead you to a victory. And then being deprived of ego-filter to such extent that you can actually admit and see where you have failed to live up to the standards that a victorious state requires.

 

Most people will never acquire this ability. Not to the point they'd be conscious of it. They will go through a lot trials and errors, many of which will be of the same nature. It might take 100 games to get hold of something through only playing the game, it might take 1 game to get hold of the same thing, through playing the game, then analyzing it and giving it some thought.

 

Only adding this as I don't like misleading nature of half-assed advices. I believe the full understanding of interconnectedness of all things ought to be provided.

 

Thanks for the advice, I think.
 

Bulrim, on 02 November 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Antony1953 why haven't you gone any further than tier 2 ships in the tech tree?

 

The honest answer is that I don't really know what I'm doing most of the time, I just like blowing things up. I assumed I got promoted automatically to the next level and better ships became available. I don't even know what rank I am at the moment or what options are open to me. I just keep aiming and shooting and having fun.
 

Bulrim, on 02 November 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Antony1953 if you're getting bored try something different, you've played over 1200 co-op battles in cruisers, 1100 in tier 3 or lower. You've not played a single game in a battleship or a destroyer be it co-op or random.

 

It looks like you enjoy the more relaxed co-op battles to random, nothing wrong with that, but try some different classes or use that mountain of xp you've got and unlock some higher tiers. I'd try JPN destroyers first as their stealthy torpedo style is very different to what you're probably used to.

 

Thanks for the advice Bulrim, I'll put it to good use.
 
 

Samurai__, on 02 November 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

 

 

 

 

If you get very close to the enemy (1-2 km) and you are still fully zoomed in, you will find that, due to the position of the guns with respect to the camera, your shells will not go where you aim.  Try un-zooming a few steps as you get closer and you shells will suddenly become more accurate again.  Bots don't have this zoom issue so they are always relatively accurate...

 

Now that's good advice I can understand and work with, thanks Samurai.
 

skvido, on 02 November 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

Just 1 advice. Switch that shiny button in game menu from Co-op to Random and enjoy human bots 

 

Thanks Skvido, I admit I'm worried about playing against humans, you don't feel so stupid when you loose against a bot and its not going to gloat over your demise.
 

[TheJezna]

 

The honest answer is that I don't really know what I'm doing most of the time, I just like blowing things up. I assumed I got promoted automatically to the next level and better ships became available. I don't even know what rank I am at the moment or what options are open to me. I just keep aiming and shooting and having fun.

 

Antony, you should really look into some youtube videos, or try to find some guides on how the basics of the game, that is, experience points, ship tiers, different modes etc work. To me, and most other players, progression is a key factor in enjoying this game, you know, knowing you are working towards getting a better and more advanced ship. I would be bored as well if I had played the same ship that many times, especially against bots since, even though WG did very good in creating them, still are much less varied and more predictable than human beings, with the number of games you have, even against bots with the decrease in XP gains you could have been pretty far along the tech tree.

 

About the things you are upset about, I think, like always, you should try and experience the other side of that coin. Try playing destroyers for a couple of games, that will make you see what makes them tick, and that even though they sure can be pretty difficult to spot from time to time, they are absolutely not invincible. And who knows, you might even enjoy playing them, it is quite different from the Cruiser playstyle you're used to. Yes, ships popping in and out of visibility in a modal way is unrealistic, but it's also likely the only way to make destroyers viable to play, since when  they are spotted they tend to die pretty fast.

 

Also, go ahead and try some random battles. It's a bit of a steel bath at first when you go from 90% + wins to likely sub 50% but you will learn new things and get even better at dominating the AI should you chose to go back. Very few people actually gloat in beating you, there are unfortunately sour losers of course, like in any game, but that's just part of online gaming and nothing to pay attention to.

[Antony1953]

 

Antony, you should really look into some youtube videos, or try to find some guides on how the basics of the game, that is, experience points, ship tiers, different modes etc work. To me, and most other players, progression is a key factor in enjoying this game, you know, knowing you are working towards getting a better and more advanced ship. I would be bored as well if I had played the same ship that many times, especially against bots since, even though WG did very good in creating them, still are much less varied and more predictable than human beings, with the number of games you have, even against bots with the decrease in XP gains you could have been pretty far along the tech tree.

 

About the things you are upset about, I think, like always, you should try and experience the other side of that coin. Try playing destroyers for a couple of games, that will make you see what makes them tick, and that even though they sure can be pretty difficult to spot from time to time, they are absolutely not invincible. And who knows, you might even enjoy playing them, it is quite different from the Cruiser playstyle you're used to. Yes, ships popping in and out of visibility in a modal way is unrealistic, but it's also likely the only way to make destroyers viable to play, since when  they are spotted they tend to die pretty fast.

 

Also, go ahead and try some random battles. It's a bit of a steel bath at first when you go from 90% + wins to likely sub 50% but you will learn new things and get even better at dominating the AI should you chose to go back. Very few people actually gloat in beating you, there are unfortunately sour losers of course, like in any game, but that's just part of online gaming and nothing to pay attention to.

 

Yes you're right of course, I should stop farting about and more get adventurous with the game, thanks TheJezna.

[Bulrim]

Antony, do you know how to advance up the tiers with your ships?

[RogDodgeUK]

In future, please do not make a procession of posts one after the other. Make sure everything is in one post.

many thanks

RogDodgeUK

[Antony1953]

Antony, do you know how to advance up the tiers with your ships?

 

Antony, do you know how to advance up the tiers with your ships?

 

Hello Bulrim, the short answer is no ( and so is the long answer ).

From the very beginning a few weeks ago I struggled to understand how WoW works and got advice from other members. But perhaps down to my age and the fact that I am totally self learned when it comes to using a pc, plus this is the very first online game that I've played, I find everything a little daunting. I've played loads of games over the years ( since the 1990's ) and currently have over 340 games with Steam and another 50 or so on disc, so I know how to play games, just not this one. So if you are about to give me an idiots guide to WoW then I will happily take any advice and practical help you give, I could sure do with it.

[Nagine]

Antony, try Newcomers' section in the forums. There are loads of useful guides pinned at the top, as well as other valuable information for starting in randoms.

[Kurosawa]

Hello Antony

 

+1 for answering all those posts, most never do.

 

Anyway...

 

In your hangar you have 5 tabs in the top, Port, Modules, Exterioir, Tech tree and last Profile. This provide access the the various functions in wows.

 

Port:

This is the main tab, it's the one you see when the game starts. I show you currently selected ship and some rudimentary data about said ship.

From her you can select other ships and so on

 

Modules

Clicking modules takes you to a section where you can upgrade your individual ships with xp and silver you earned doing you matches.

 

Upgrading is a fairly simple progression tree, how ever WG, at times show wrong info and there English can be weird (my English is perfect any errors are due to WG forum faults). You can also buy / switch out consumable but beware off some if it is costly and some might require gold.

 

Once you have completed the module progression three you can unlock the next ship. You do not have to unlock all modules, you can go straight for the next ship if you want.

 

Exterioir

Here you can set camo and flags on your ships, this is a money/silver. but you will gain free flags over time.

hover over each camo/flag to see there effects

 

Tech tree

Over view of all ships and how you progress up the tree, some premium ship are not shown unless you have that ship

 

Profile

stats and such about you.... hmm... i was going to say it was a bit simply but they have upgraded that part

 

 

so get ingame, look under modules and upgrade your ships so you can get the next one. i wound NOT buy upgrades or consumables at this moment if i was you

 

[Devilizer]

If you click the button called "modules", you can see various upgrades available to the currently selected ship, with the last upgrade being the next "level" ship of that type. Using your gained experience points to unlock these upgrades and ships will let you progress. If you click the button called "Tech Tree" you can see the ships available to the different nations and which branches unlock the different ships.

[Antony1953]

Kurosawa, on 02 November 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Hello Antony

 

+1 for answering all those posts, most never do.

 

Anyway...

 

In your hangar you have 5 tabs in the top, Port, Modules, Exterioir, Tech tree and last Profile. This provide access the the various functions in wows.

 

Port:

This is the main tab, it's the one you see when the game starts. I show you currently selected ship and some rudimentary data about said ship.

From her you can select other ships and so on

 

Modules

Clicking modules takes you to a section where you can upgrade your individual ships with xp and silver you earned doing you matches.

 

Upgrading is a fairly simple progression tree, how ever WG, at times show wrong info and there English can be weird (my English is perfect any errors are due to WG forum faults). You can also buy / switch out consumable but beware off some if it is costly and some might require gold.

 

Once you have completed the module progression three you can unlock the next ship. You do not have to unlock all modules, you can go straight for the next ship if you want.

 

Exterioir

Here you can set camo and flags on your ships, this is a money/silver. but you will gain free flags over time.

hover over each camo/flag to see there effects

 

Tech tree

Over view of all ships and how you progress up the tree, some premium ship are not shown unless you have that ship

 

Profile

stats and such about you.... hmm... i was going to say it was a bit simply but they have upgraded that part

 

 

so get ingame, look under modules and upgrade your ships so you can get the next one. i wound NOT buy upgrades or consumables at this moment if i was you

 

 

Thanks for all the help Kurosawa, its most appreciated and will point me in the right direction. My thanks to everyone else who has given advice, I've been told off for doing individual reply's as it fills up too much space.