Nuernburg is a joke. Heck everything in the German tree suffers. Everything.

[EsaTuunanen]

Most of the people cant translate their experiance into game mechanics so the general disatification is expressed in the forums but the reason is not.

That doesnt give you the right to say they are just biased and the winrates show they are supposed to enjoy what they complain about.

instead you should look out for the reasons why they say that.

So every ship should play the same?

Or more precisely be OP without need to learn anything...

 

its seems the game code dislikes my 54 percent winrate and decided today i will loose, or get blown up by the first hit my Konigsberg gets no matter what ...with full hp.

 

And the teams, oh the horror, such one sided massacres...

Weekends have more potatoes playing and sometimes result just awfull teams with for example CV running to meet enemy DD instead of away from it.

And your average damage isn't such high that you could carry team if MM favors other team.

[Gojuadorai]

So every ship should play the same?

Or more precisely be OP without need to learn anything...

thats the complete opposite of my point did you even read my posts?

 

the essence is that a ship can have a 65% winrate which would be op by defenition and people be still disatisfied with it because  the way you loose the 35% 

the otherside  you could have a ship that looses 45% winrate and people liking it

(numbers only for explanation purpposes although there are ships with below 50% nobody complains about btw)

 

dont know how often i shall put this in new words when people obviously show lack of wanting to understand each others point......

 

[ReinhardVonUhlig]

thats the complete opposite of my point did you even read my posts?

 

the essence is that a ship can have a 65% winrate which would be op by defenition and people be still disatisfied with it because  the way you loose the 35% 

the otherside  you could have a ship that looses 45% winrate and people liking it

(numbers only for explanation purpposes although there are ships with below 50% nobody complains about btw)

 

dont know how often i shall put this in new words when people obviously show lack of wanting to understand each others point......

 

My 2 cents i am sorry if i repeat something, as i didnt follow you conversation.

 

My 4-5  most played tanks in Wot years ago had 59 to 62 % winrate, and no i didnt drive Soviets or other op stuff..... However if a sub average player fails in every except one or two tanks having unusually high win rate then its a sign something is wrong.

 

I find the combination of particular vehicle flaws much more annoying than win rates as such (exm. bad agility and horrible module damage).  

[ApesTogetherStronK]

I guess it was fun for a while, but the citadel on the Nuernberg keeps ruining games for me. don't even have to show my broadside to get citadeled multiple times (last time was three times when the shots came from my rear). Naturally while immobilized because of glass engine too. 

 

This is being a problem because every game the enemy team seems to get a group of 4 New Mexicos who always spawn on the same side of the map as me. I hate you RNGesus. 

 

-Edit- Yeah the Nuernberg can get citadeled from ANY angle. This is horrible.  

          At least it's mostly only BB's that can do this to one. 

[Nefczi]

I guess it was fun for a while, but the citadel on the Nuernberg keeps ruining games for me. don't even have to show my broadside to get citadeled multiple times (last time was three times when the shots came from my rear). Naturally while immobilized because of glass engine too. 

 

This is being a problem because every game the enemy team seems to get a group of 4 New Mexicos who always spawn on the same side of the map as me. I hate you RNGesus. 

 

-Edit- Yeah the Nuernberg can get citadeled from ANY angle. This is horrible.  

          At least it's mostly only BB's that can do this to one. 

 

Any cruiser can get citadeled by BBs from any angle really. Even fairly well armored US cruisers, like New Orleans or Baltimore, can get easly citadeled/rekt by battleships, regardless of angle/position. 

 

Also you are sitting at 63% WR, 45k damage and 1.3 kills in Nurnberg, which is much better than average. You are also doing better in your Nurnberg than in your Aoba. Maybe you just expect too much from this ship? If you gonna keep going up cruiser line/s, you will have to realize that the higher you go, the more battleships heavy the meta becomes. Most tier 7-9 cruisers struggle a lot. Thats the current situation 

[JapLance]

Since patch 5.1, I've seen how my average damage was going lower and lower. AP does 0 damage constantly, HE does nothing... Games with hundreds of hits end with 20k damage if you're lucky enough to sink a destroyer. From 40k average to current 35k and going down with every game.

 

And then, citadeled left and right, up and down. No matter how you position your ship or how much you try to dodge, every BB or CA salvo is a citadel. It was not like this when I started playing it.

[ApesTogetherStronK]

 

Any cruiser can get citadeled by BBs from any angle really. Even fairly well armored US cruisers, like New Orleans or Baltimore, can get easly citadeled/rekt by battleships, regardless of angle/position. 

 

Also you are sitting at 63% WR, 45k damage and 1.3 kills in Nurnberg, which is much better than average. You are also doing better in your Nurnberg than in your Aoba. Maybe you just expect too much from this ship? If you gonna keep going up cruiser line/s, you will have to realize that the higher you go, the more battleships heavy the meta becomes. Most tier 7-9 cruisers struggle a lot. Thats the current situation 

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing the Nuernberg a lot, and yes my stats are good in it (though my ratio is significantly better in Aoba I believe) I just think that as with most cruisers, it should not get citadeled in the bow and stern a lot, the Cleveland, Omaha, Aoba, Furutake and Myoko (i.e. all of it's contemporary opponents) are punished for showing their broadsides, which is fair enough, but behave normally when showing their bows and sterns, the Nuernberg gets punished regardless. I've also yet to citadel a New Orleans on the bow or stern.  

[mtm78]

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing the Nuernberg a lot, and yes my stats are good in it (though my ratio is significantly better in Aoba I believe) I just think that as with most cruisers, it should not get citadeled in the bow and stern a lot, the Cleveland, Omaha, Aoba, Furutake and Myoko (i.e. all of it's contemporary opponents) are punished for showing their broadsides, which is fair enough, but behave normally when showing their bows and sterns, the Nuernberg gets punished regardless. I've also yet to citadel a New Orleans on the bow or stern.  

 

So you want to remove a weakness of a ship you already have 63% wr with, and replace it with what exactly? Since there is no way your arguments will convince them to buff it by removing a weakness. Now if you sucked hard with it, and average stats would also show it sucks, then there would be a need for balancing. 

 

Atm, it doesn't sound that imbalanced to me 

[ApesTogetherStronK]

 

So you want to remove a weakness of a ship you already have 63% wr with, and replace it with what exactly? Since there is no way your arguments will convince them to buff it by removing a weakness. Now if you sucked hard with it, and average stats would also show it sucks, then there would be a need for balancing. 

 

Atm, it doesn't sound that imbalanced to me 

 

It' more me venting I suppose. The ship is inconsistent, some games will go very well for me, some games will be over in less than a minute. It's just annoying when that happens a few games in a row you know? I took a break and let off some steam since posting originally and it's all good now. 

 

However, I did just get the Yorck. Wondering how that BB turret turn rate will treat me

 

Oh! Also, My Nuernberg stats are likely somewhat inflated as I played about half of it's games during 5.1 when BB's couldn't so anything to anyone. The Aoba (as someone compared it to earlier) didn't get that advantage, so I would say that it is the better ship. Though the Nuernberg remains the best at killing vessels under 15000 tons. 

[mtm78]

I'm playing Ibuki lately, do you really think you need to tell me about frustration ( instagibbed a couple of times, Iowa and Izumo so far.... bet I'll be diner for a lot more high tier BB's 'soon'  ) 

 

[damo74]

Konigsberg gameplay revolves around not being hit  (i assume Nurnberg is the same).....

 

 

 

 

hit anywhere center mass = engine knocked out - sitting duck

 

Its kinda crazy ...gives me the bad WoT deja vu when it comes to German fantasy tank weakspot,  the notorious transmission fire.

 

Either increase the agility of this ship, or decrease the rate of this engine damage nonsense.  The ship  is a real glass cannon, its AP murders cruisers, and rof + turret rotation speed kills destroyers...but its marginally good in a real fight.....and that comes out in a really ugly way when you have a bad team and end up exposed to enemy fire.

 

There is also the issue of small maps and getting shot right from the spawn start.......

 

 

 

 

 

The Konigsberg has weaknesses, but it isn't a weak ship. Its very powerful in the right hands. I see so many players playing this ship poorly, showing thier broadside, or not staying at range. These idiots are always my priority targets. Ironically it's usually the Konigsberg I use to wreck these people.

[bug]

Its not bad, but far from as good as Königsberg for its tier. I dont lose engine as much in Nurnberg, but those sudden deaths from oneshots are very frequent.

[Flawlezz91]

I never see a german cruiser in ranked games; I wonder why that is...

 

I also see the problem here why there are so many DDs in higher tier matches/ranked matches. Because we're lacking decent cruisers!

[bug]

I never see a german cruiser in ranked games; I wonder why that is...

 

I also see the problem here why there are so many DDs in higher tier matches/ranked matches. Because we're lacking decent cruisers!

 

I tried the Nurenberg in ranked, and true, its very weak against higher tier BB. Another drawback on the Nurenberg in ranked is "weird arc" on shells. (Or I feel it is) There is a very distinctive border where your shells stop hitting and start spreading and takes a long time to fall - if you understand me. So its a bad sniper on fast targets at long distances, but very good at semi close targets. If target is more than about 6-7 secs away in shell travel time, I try to get closer or find another target.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

Actually, I've met more Nurnbergs then Clevelands. And from all those Nurnbergs, only one actually knew how to play this ship and how to deal with BB's.  Also, a lot of Konigsbergs were present.  I only played one game in Atago on tier VII - VIII rankeds, but in that one game, there was Admiral Hipper already. 

[ReinhardVonUhlig]

Honestly the more i play Konigsberg (and against it)  the more i realize this ships is actually quite bad.

 

HE is bad and AP is random at best.

 

Agility is lacking SORELY.

 

No armor and crippling module damage is the name of the game.

 

Now someone will probably start pulling my stats and whatnot.... i just dont care... this is not the case of the grass is greener on the other side as they say. I fought other Konigsbergs in my own Konigsberg and except the Furutaka ive never seen a ship suffer such crippling damage from my own Konigs shots.

 

I didnt need even to try, unlike other cruisers........ i just sprayed his hull with AP at every angle,  everything went through and did crippling damage, or massive HP damage. 

 

Its like this ship has stealth damage multipliers with glass modules made bigger than the ship itself... i cannot explain it otherwise......

 

When you get fired at by a Battleship you can expect loosing half the HP with the first 2 shots AT ANY ANGLE , thats if you dont blow up like a matchstick box soaked in nitroglycerin.......

 

Sniping is not easy...hell its hard, the shots are nowhere near as fast as people like to talk and the enemy players (unless lobotomized) will have it quite easy at dodging....and if they get lucky, even with one stray shot, there goes your engine, or steering........or both.

[Cpt_Nero_]

I will say it only once.

 

This ship is a total beast. the only bad thing that can be on this cruiser is the captain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

With premium this is perfect money-maker

 

[Gojuadorai]

I will say it only once.

 

This ship is a total beast. the only bad thing that can be on this cruiser is the captain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

With premium this is perfect money-maker

 

 

yeah you can have those games  with it and thats great.....

but then again you have those games where you get oneshoted through bow or stern wich FREELS SO BAD that all the fun you had the day with the ship is spoiled

(ive counted 3 oneshots through bow/stern from 12km+ in about 70 games, and im talking about 0-15° angles here not like normaly angled)

[cuddlesRO]

Hmm, i always get a little pissed off by the Nurnberg when i meet her in my Cleveland. Another HE spammer. That means it's not crap at all.  Just learn how to play it / use it.  Spam HE and keep at the max of your range. What the hell am I doing here , learning other how to piss me off in my Cleveland

 

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

 Hmm, i always get a little pissed off by the Nurnberg when i meet her in my Cleveland. Another HE spammer. That means it's not crap at all.  Just learn how to play it / use it.  Spam HE and keep at the max of your range. What the hell am I doing here , learning other how to piss me off in my Cleveland

Actually, that's one of the worst advices you can give to a Nurnberg captains... Just sayin'

 

[Synth_FG]

 

yeah you can have those games  with it and thats great.....

but then again you have those games where you get oneshoted through bow or stern wich FREELS SO BAD that all the fun you had the day with the ship is spoiled

(ive counted 3 oneshots through bow/stern from 12km+ in about 70 games, and im talking about 0-15° angles here not like normaly angled)

 

With the German CA's all you can do whe you get hit in the bows and the engine falls out of the stern is smile and hit R

It's just one of those things, 

However when you can use AP and the accurate guns to tear enemy CA's apart you soon learn to appreciate the German line

[Gojuadorai]

 

With the German CA's all you can do whe you get hit in the bows and the engine falls out of the stern is smile and hit R

It's just one of those things, 

However when you can use AP and the accurate guns to tear enemy CA's apart you soon learn to appreciate the German line

 

why everyone  responds to criticism with noob advice?

ofc thats why i like the ship what i dont like is beeing punnished  though i  did nothing wrong that game  by just exploding from full hp im not complaing about the ship having weak spots!

im complaining about the ship having "a rnadom detonator" you cant do crapabout which ruins some games  just for "balance" reasons.

my sugestion would be either fix the armor so you cant get oneshoted if youre angled prpperly or reduce its  turn circle and rudder shift a bit so you can dodge better.

IF the ship then is op which it  might be then nerf either its  damage or rof a bit till is balanced.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

But what are you exactly talking about? Detonations or easy to hit citadel? I've finished grinding Nurnberg while ago, before 5.1 and I didn't notice any problems with detonations on it. I think it didn't happen to me at all. It's of course a small number of games, but still. I got quite a lot citadel hits though. 

 

I understand what are you talking about. You dislike the ship vulnerability - armour, citadel and module dmg - while acknowledging it advantages. Which, all in all, sums up for you as a bad ship design. As with Konigsberg, because from time to time you feel you were punished randomly for not making any mistake at all. I didn't have such problems or observations. Sure, I've suffered from engine/steering dmg from time to time, but 99% of those situations were my mistakes - I've exposed myself too fast, too early and way too aggressive. When I was exchanging shots on 12 km range - engine dmg doesn't really matter - i just stopped shooting and drifted away. However, I agree it's not the most forgiving vessel to drive - my stats in it are actually way below my average stats for CA's (didn't statpad it during 5.1 CA MASTERRACE event). So, either it's not suited for my playstyle, or it suffers a bit too much from it's flaws.

[mtm78]

 

why everyone  responds to criticism with noob advice?

ofc thats why i like the ship what i dont like is beeing punnished  though i  did nothing wrong that game  by just exploding from full hp im not complaing about the ship having weak spots!

im complaining about the ship having "a rnadom detonator" you cant do crapabout which ruins some games  just for "balance" reasons.

my sugestion would be either fix the armor so you cant get oneshoted if youre angled prpperly or reduce its  turn circle and rudder shift a bit so you can dodge better.

IF the ship then is op which it  might be then nerf either its  damage or rof a bit till is balanced.

 

What a load of crap, seems you think German CA's are the only one's who occasionally 'melt' or 'evaporate' from BB shells

 

[Gojuadorai]

But what are you exactly talking about? Detonations or easy to hit citadel? I've finished grinding Nurnberg while ago, before 5.1 and I didn't notice any problems with detonations on it. I think it didn't happen to me at all. It's of course a small number of games, but still. I got quite a lot citadel hits though. 

 

I understand what are you talking about. You dislike the ship vulnerability - armour, citadel and module dmg - while acknowledging it advantages. Which, all in all, sums up for you as a bad ship design. As with Konigsberg, because from time to time you feel you were punished randomly for not making any mistake at all. I didn't have such problems or observations. Sure, I've suffered from engine/steering dmg from time to time, but 99% of those situations were my mistakes - I've exposed myself too fast, too early and way too aggressive. When I was exchanging shots on 12 km range - engine dmg doesn't really matter - i just stopped shooting and drifted away. However, I agree it's not the most forgiving vessel to drive - my stats in it are actually way below my average stats for CA's (didn't statpad it during 5.1 CA MASTERRACE event). So, either it's not suited for my playstyle, or it suffers a bit too much from it's flaws.

 

im gonna be more specific, it wasnt detonations. Detonations  if, happen  only marginally more often than other ships i had 2x so far in maybe 80 games  

(although here said i dislike detonations as a game mechanic, cause if i am correct they are checked  per shot whle i feel they should only appear when you get a big salvo which takes 70%+ of your health thad would lead to less frustration cause  you know you were pretty screwed anyway)

 

no i was talking about a BB shooting multiple citadels one salvo through bow or stern taking 90-100% hp (fully upgraded ship with 4% camo, angle 0-15% @ 12km+) that hasnt knowingly happend to me in any other cruiser yet.

 

i have to say rudder/enginge failure in the nurn is ok, its nt as bad as in the k-berg and with the captains skill (not a fan of the extended range) i can live with it. (it seems as if its  about as frequent as in the myoko)

 

 

What a load of crap, seems you think German CA's are the only one's who occasionally 'melt' or 'evaporate' from BB shells

 

like i aready explained not under the mentioned conditions

ive no problem with beeing oneshoted showing full broadside or maybe even a little