Nurnber vs Konigsberg ( worth it ? )

[xtrm_]

For ppl who dont have alot of credit buying this ship for 3.2M credit is alot of grind, but is it a real upgrade than the konigs ?  

 - Some ppl were saying it has a  low arc at long range compared to Konigs and some are saying it's the same thing with HP and Plane.   

Can anyone who own both of these ships  tell me if the arc thing is true ? 

 

Thanks alot

[VonNorwegen]

Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash.

[xtrm_]

Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash.

 

Thanks alot, i was going to re-assign my captain to the new ship  at least i research it just have to pay for it once the whole faction gets tweaked

[VonNorwegen]

Your welcome

 

[Crysantos]

Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash.

 

Yep, that's it - and you might get matched against Tier VIII. Königsberg is awesome, keep it and have fun with it.

[Alteisen]

You can always play ranked and perform anti-dd duties. Only max t7...

[OldGrandad]

Having ground to the Nurnberg yesterday and purchasing her, I will say I am disappointed. Although my winrate in the Konigsberg was not good my average damage was very good with one battle getting over 100,000 damage. Yesterday was not a good day for me overall so clouds my general performance but in the 4 battles I had I knew straight away she is a poor second to the Konigsberg which I would never sell due to the fun times I had in her win or lose.

 

Summary.

 

Wait until they buff the German cruisers (read tier 4 as well as 6 and 7) before buying higher than the Konigsberg.

[_DarthGunny_]

only just got the nurnberg myself and to be brutaly honest im not impressed. its as fragile as hell, looses its engine and stearing if any sailor on board sneezes. it cant take any damage what so ever. best way to fight in this ship is to constantly stay as far away as you can from a target and run like hell if any ship even looks like engaging you. stay with the konigsberg its a better ship and more fun to play.

[Banelord300]

Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash.

 

Wut they use the same guns with same barrel length (albeit different rof) and Nurnbergs are worse? wow thats a bummer so you have to go through both Nurn and Yorck before getting to a good ship (again) .

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

 Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash. 

And any facts behind that? Cause I have a different impression, regarding guns mostly.

[Duka_Srb]

I like playing with Nurnberg, it has very good range, ROF and is accurate BUT, literally it don't have armor and don't do good damage. Last night i was playing for almost two hours and i couldn't destroy two ships!

[celeb2k]

Nurnberg is ship with size of Pensacola, but terrible weak engine (60k HP instead of 100/102 k HP Cleveland/Aoba), which reflects in it's foul maneuverability.   This ship is lazy like [edited], accelerate slowly, decelerate even worse, so don't use it to avoid torps - no chance.  It has only 27 k HP, which is terrible (35k Cleveland, 30k Aoba) when you realize it's size and 2,5 times weaker armor than Cleveland + size of it's citadels and poor maneuverability.  AA - in comparison with Cleveland - none.  

Main advantage of Nurnberg is it's armament,  turrets are turning quite fast, ROF is great and AP dmg brutal.  BUT almost the same has Cleveland, with it's better HE performance and it's fire chance, small citadels, excelent AA, very strong armor and better engine/maneuverability.

It is much weaker than it's USN/IJN counterparts, but if you're able to play safe and not being focused (well if you're focused, you're dead)/ shot at, you can make good games.  But this reflects much more a good player being able to use strong armament and avoid return fire, not general performance of this ship, which is in all respect poor.  

e.g.  50mm max armor on citadels ... tier IV Phoenix has 75mm, has 24k HP, much smaller profile and incredible maneuverability.  Good player can have the same results with it.

 

Konigsberg should be at the same tier than Nurnberg, slower ROF, but much better maneuverability.  Both ships has insane chance of citadels detonation, you'll earn lots of flags for your higher tier ships.  HE from far distance at your deck from above = detonation - this seems to be bug or no existing deck armor.

 

and one more think, to make this ship competitive to Cleveland/Aoba,  it may suffice to change engine to 90k one and enhance rudder/turning circle to make this big, unarmored, low ship able to dodge at least torps or some fire from BBs.   I think it still would be worst from tier 6, but at least not so behind.

[GeneralHorstPital]

I am currently thinking about selling this abomination of a ship.

I really don´t get the german cruiser line. Tiers 1-4 are almost unplayable, then with tier 5 you get a good ship, and then at tier 6 it all goes down again.

The only redeeming quality are the fast turrets. They turn fast and shoot fast.

 

But this ship is fragile beyond belief. It´s not uncommon for me to get my engine knocked out 3-4 times per match (if I live long enough for numbers 3 and 4)

This has become extremely annoying. One time I saw the enemy shell hitting my front turret and as a result my engine was knocked out !

It´s like playing the Yubari ...

The ship has no armor, is made of 50% engine, 50% citadel and has by far the lowest HP of all tier 6 cruisers. It has less HP than a stock St.Louis !

The bad HE shells more or less force you to shoot AP, which does decent damage, but it also means that if your opponent knows how to angle, there is not much you can do.

The torpedos are ok, but no improvement over the Königsberg (they are identical)

Oh, I almost forgot to mention the bad AA...

I guess you would have to play her as a support ship, never engage any ship on your own because you will most likely loose every duel.

The thing is, if you play a Nürnberg, you will drag your team down, because whatever job you want to do, an Aoba or Cleveland can do it better.

 

I would rate the Nürnberg as the worst of all tier 5 and 6 cruisers and really can´t see myself grinding the 70K XP for the Yorck (which might be even worse than the Nürnberg I have read...)

[damo74]

Nurnberg is ok, but the Konigsberg is better, as it gets a more forgiving matchmaker.

[Ginger_Merkin_RN]

I like my Nurnberg, but the Kornberg is much better to be honest.

German cruisers are weak on armor and damage, Nurnberg is ok, but the Konigsberg is way more forgiving. pretty much the same impression as others have stated

[Mucker]

The fragility of the engine will allegedly be fixed in the upcoming patch, so a key weakpoint will be adressed. On the other hand, it already has the highest winrate of all the tier 6 cruisers on the EU server, so basically Nürnberg does perform adequately at it's tier.   

 

[Meneleus]

For ppl who dont have alot of credit buying this ship for 3.2M credit is alot of grind, but is it a real upgrade than the konigs ?  

 - Some ppl were saying it has a  low arc at long range compared to Konigs and some are saying it's the same thing with HP and Plane.   

Can anyone who own both of these ships  tell me if the arc thing is true ? 

 

Thanks alot

 

Contrary to what some people have said in this thread the Nürnberg is simply the better ship of the two. It does everything the Königsberg can and often does them better.

 

The Nürnberg has the same shell velocity as the Königsberg; 960m per second, meaning it has the same arc. It also has the same dispersion.

The Nürnberg has a better rate of fire (10 shells per minute instead of 8 shells per minute) and a better turret traverse speed (24 seconds instead of 30 seconds). The firing arcs of the turrets are also slightly better.

 

The Nürnberg has more hit points (27.000 instead of 24.300) and a slightly worse concealment rating (12.6km instead of 12.4km). It is also a bit less agile being slower (32.3 knots instead of 32.9), having a larger turning circle (720m instead of 680m) and a slightly worse rudder shift time (7.6 seconds instead of 6.9 seconds).

 

All in all the Nürnberg is simply a better Königsberg facing on average stronger opponents. I think both ships perform very well in their tiers, the question you should ask yourself is if you want to progress down the German cruiser line or not. If not, the Nürnberg will not offer anything new, if so you can rest assured it is a definite upgrade over it's T5 counterpart.

 

Cheers, M

 

 

[psl_58]

These cruisers were small @ 7700 tons and are more in line with the RN Dido class without high angled guns. Comparing it to the 14,000 ton  Cleveland CL is pushing it -  since its almost double the displacement. 

 

 

 

The K class 50mm belt is backed up by10mm slopes which should bring protection up to 2.5" to 3". However Koop's books show the L class [Leipzig & Nuremburg] had 50mm belts backed up by 15-25mm slopes over the engine area, which should push resistance to 3.5" region [vs. cruiser gunfire] .

 

 

 

 

 However the game does not appear to factor internal armor - so it appears weaker than it is.

[44smok]

All the upgrades in HP and ROF don't make up for the difference in enemies met. Maneuverability is where both ships get punished most and Nurnberg is worse here. Konigsberg also feels tougher when angled and can bounce some shells while Nurnberg feels soft from each direction.

 

In general when compared with their tiers Konig is Op, equal level to Mummy while Nurnberg is only good.

[psl_58]

All the upgrades in HP and ROF don't make up for the difference in enemies met. Maneuverability is where both ships get punished most and Nurnberg is worse here. Konigsberg also feels tougher when angled and can bounce some shells while Nurnberg feels soft from each direction.

 

In general when compared with their tiers Konig is Op, equal level to Mummy while Nurnberg is only good.

 

Then there is something wrong with the game mechanics , since the Nuremburg clearly should have a stronger hull...and @ > 9000t it doesn't suffer the longitudinal strength of the 7700 ton K CLASS which had to cut endurance in 1/2 to 1800nm @ 18knots , just to keep it from capsizing & cracking in stormy seas.

 

 

 

look at the 18 month renovation to the Karlsruhe to fix it after the typhoon in the pacific ocean in 1936. they stripped off the diesels & aux motors plus 200 ton diesel fuel bunker and mounting over a 1000 tons armor quality steel, increasing the beam from 15.2 to 16.6m

 

 

BTW this increased the belt to 14mm+ 50mm+ 15mm 79mm [increased to 3.4" by spaced armor effect]. The deck increased to 16mm + 20mm or 36mm [ IE 1.4"].

[GeneralHorstPital]

Well, ok. Seems like the last patch improved the engine situation. Still fragile as hell, but at least she doesn´t get immobilised as often.

 

[gronaAnkan]

I was citadelling a Fuso with my Nürnberg today at 12km by grouping the shots close to the front turret. I didn't know it could do that but I was pleasantly surprised.

[VonPletz]

Nürnberg over Koingsberg any day....its a better ship.

 

[PzAbteilung]

im having a very bad time with this cruiser, how to use it?

[Gojuadorai]

Nurnberg has a worse arc and lower penetration then Konigsberg. Its a bigger target and get more easily hit too. Konigsberg is a much better ship, so no its not worth it if you are low on cash.

 

 

that is untrue ! the guns are the same except for ROF!

 

and the nurn is a better ship!  

the reason why some poeple think otherwise is because theres a a ship strenght  and skill "leap" from V to VI or put in other words sthe meta is diffrent.

 

i myself like the nurnberg more as a serious vessel (+ its good for the lower ranked games)

(although the königs makes a good sealclubber like murmansk and so on....)

 

i would recommend keeping the k-berg  and decide after you played the nurn for a whil if you really want to keep it arround.

i did it this way and then decided to get rid of the k-berg although i liked it.