Ships invisible at 4KM

[Humbug_1]

Is this normal?

 

Over the past week or so i'm seeing ships that i engage with go invisible at 4KM,) its not just specific ships its all sorts of cruisers and destroyers (Tier 5 and lower)

 

I'm getting a bit sick of it to be frank, who in this development team thinks its a good idea to have ships go invisible at 6, 5, even 4KM a few seconds after they go behind an island and remain invisible until they start firing again? WTF?

 

Seriously do they think its fun, do they think it adds spice to the game to make it impossible to track your targets at a distance where you can throw a stone at it?

 

They are haemorrhaging players, in the BETA this game had nearly 3 times the amount of players it does now, why? if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[praetor_jax]

You have replays i suppose?

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

Sometimes there can be a wg server problem(like in wot once) but without replay you know...

[Humbug_1]

I'll record more in future

 

[GeneralHorstPital]

who in this development team thinks its a good idea to have ships go invisible at 6, 5, even 4KM a few seconds after they go behind an island and remain invisible until they start firing again? WTF?

 

Wait a minute ... ships go invisible after they go behind an island ?? What sorcery is this ? In real life you can of course see through islands !

 

[Kenliero]

Destroyers NORMAL Visibilityrange is around 5-6km in low tiers. Umikaze can have as low as 4.8km with captain skills.

[bushwacker001]

Is this normal?

 

Over the past week or so i'm seeing ships that i engage with go invisible at 4KM,) its not just specific ships its all sorts of cruisers and destroyers (Tier 5 and lower)

 

I'm getting a bit sick of it to be frank, who in this development team thinks its a good idea to have ships go invisible at 6, 5, even 4KM a few seconds after they go behind an island and remain invisible until they start firing again? WTF?

 

Seriously do they think its fun, do they think it adds spice to the game to make it impossible to track your targets at a distance where you can throw a stone at it?

 

They are haemorrhaging players, in the BETA this game had nearly 3 times the amount of players it does now, why? if it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

Even more annoying, ships that go invisible in a smoke screen!!!! What's that all about?     

 

 

[MarcusFuriusCamillus]

4KM is a distance you can throw a stone at I presume?

 

[Kenliero]

4KM is a distance you can throw a stone at I presume?

 

 

Yep, Oliver Stone

[LMN118]

 

Wait a minute ... ships go invisible after they go behind an island ?? What sorcery is this ? In real life you can of course see through islands !

 

 

I presume he means when they come out the other side. Often ships don't render in the client until they fire when they come out the other side. It's a server to client latency issue that causes it and the issue has been around since WoT was released. 

 

Are replays recorded server side or client side? If its server side they any issues with latency won't be recorded unless the video is recorded client side. 

[Admiral_noodle]

99.9% sure replays are client side. In fact how could they be otherwise (rhetorical)

[rafparis]

or maybe you are playing on lower graphic settings? In this setings, smoke aparently doesn't display properly, so ships can disapear behind smoke, even if you don't see the smoke.

Would be nice to have the smoke blobs apear on the minimap, it would avoid many confusions.

[Humbug_1]

I'm playing on the highest possible settings, i now have a video of this accruing, i'll edit out the unwanted crap and upload it later.

[Humbug_1]

This ship has been clicking on and off visibility all the time i was anywere near it, the other one (Shame ship didn't) rather annoying clicking on and off constantly...... its why i went after it instead of the other one, it was ###ing me off.

 

First part you will see it disappear at 10KM behind the island, now that's fine, further on it vanished at 5.4KM and didn't reappear until at 4.7KM and thats only because it came out from behind the Island.

 

Now, i have no videos to show this but i have also had destroyers invisible behind islands at 3KM.

 

[StuntMan0369]

This ship has been clicking on and off visibility all the time i was anywere near it, the other one (Shame ship didn't) rather annoying clicking on and off constantly...... its why i went after it instead of the other one, it was ###ing me off.

 

First part you will see it disappear at 10KM behind the island, now that's fine, further on it vanished at 5.4KM and didn't reappear until at 4.7KM and thats only because it came out from behind the Island.

 

Now, i have no videos to show this but i have also had destroyers invisible behind islands at 3KM.

 

 

If a ship is behind an island, how on earth do you think you are going to spot him??? It's line of sight based, so unless you have a magical 'I can see through island' device, I don't see any problems here.

[GeneralHorstPital]

Couldn´t see anything fishy there ...

OK, the Karlsruhe has 10.6 km detection range. When he shoots, he adds about 6 km to that for 20 seconds after he fired.

As long as you had line of sight, you always spotted him. Then he disappeared behind the island. You could not spot him then, but due to his 16 km detection range, your other cruisers to the southeast spotted him. He did not fire so after 20 seconds his detection range went back to 10.6 km, out of range of your other teammates, so he "disappeared"

After you came around the island, you had a direct line of sight again and spotted him.

[OldGrandad]

This ship has been clicking on and off visibility all the time i was anywere near it, the other one (Shame ship didn't) rather annoying clicking on and off constantly...... its why i went after it instead of the other one, it was ###ing me off.

 

First part you will see it disappear at 10KM behind the island, now that's fine, further on it vanished at 5.4KM and didn't reappear until at 4.7KM and thats only because it came out from behind the Island.

 

Now, i have no videos to show this but i have also had destroyers invisible behind islands at 3KM.

 

Absolutely nothing wrong. You want to see through an island? Pffft, and there I was thinking this was going to be some ninja mode....... 

[Humbug_1]

Couldn´t see anything fishy there ...

OK, the Karlsruhe has 10.6 km detection range. When he shoots, he adds about 6 km to that for 20 seconds after he fired.

As long as you had line of sight, you always spotted him. Then he disappeared behind the island. You could not spot him then, but due to his 16 km detection range, your other cruisers to the southeast spotted him. He did not fire so after 20 seconds his detection range went back to 10.6 km, out of range of your other teammates, so he "disappeared"

After you came around the island, you had a direct line of sight again and spotted him.

 

If its normal it normal but its strange that i can follow most ships behind Islands (Especially at under 7KM) while some players seem to be disappearing constantly regardless of what ship they are using or how close it is.

 

If its normal its completely inconsistent, certainly he was tracking me after he dissipated from my view as i changed course after that point to come in behind him, he doubled back on himself and already had his guns trained on me before i came out from behind the Island, definitely tracking me while he was invisible for me and yet the ship i was in has better concealment.

So if its normal for a ship to disappear even at close range behind an island then the same should be true for everyone, including me, how did he know i had turned 45 degrees to come out on the near side of the island when last he supposedly saw i was heading for the far side.

[praetor_jax]

 

If its normal it normal but its strange that i can follow most ships behind Islands (Especially at under 7KM) while some players seem to be disappearing constantly regardless of what ship they are using or how close it is.

 

If its normal its completely inconsistent, certainly he was tracking me after he dissipated from my view as i changed course after that point to come in behind him, he doubled back on himself and already had his guns trained on me before i came out from behind the Island, definitely tracking me while he was invisible for me and yet the ship i was in has better concealment.

So if its normal for a ship to disappear even at close range behind an island then the same should be true for everyone, including me, how did he know i had turned 45 degrees to come out on the near side of the island when last he supposedly saw i was heading for the far side.

 

Because other people than you are spotting them (this includes planes).

[GeneralHorstPital]

Well, it IS consistent. You can park the Yamato 1 km away from you. If there is an island between you two, you won´t see her !

 

As for why did he see you ? 
Hm, maybe he didn´t. You could be either left or right of that island. Funny thing is, you also had your guns trained exactly at his position before you spotted him again ...

Then at the beginning there was an enemy spotter plane above you. He could have spotted you the whole time. Then someone shot torpedos at you, not sure if that was the Karlsruhe of the destroyer on the enemy team, haven´t seen him pop up on the map. He could have spotted you as well ...

Get the situational awareness skill and you will know if someone is spotting you or not.

[Humbug_1]

Well, it IS consistent. You can park the Yamato 1 km away from you. If there is an island between you two, you won´t see her !

 

As for why did he see you ? 

Hm, maybe he didn´t. You could be either left or right of that island. Funny thing is, you also had your guns trained exactly at his position before you spotted him again ...

Then at the beginning there was an enemy spotter plane above you. He could have spotted you the whole time. Then someone shot torpedos at you, not sure if that was the Karlsruhe of the destroyer on the enemy team, haven´t seen him pop up on the map. He could have spotted you as well ...

Get the situational awareness skill and you will know if someone is spotting you or not.

 

The spotter plane disappeared long before i got to him, the nearest destroyer was 18KM away i had left it behind along with the other one brawling with some of my team mates, the Torps were from Karlsruhe, he followed me in the direction i was travelling, and if i know there is a ship on my right i don't point my guns to the left, i suspect like most people, i mean, do you?

[t0ffik1]

yeah in the YT didnt saw nothing wrong, but it had happened to me that some ships (when on my DD) like Nex mexico ect vanished from me visually and on minimap on 4k range (while beign on open see, and now smoke no nothing) .

damn i even saw 2 streamers have enemy ships vanishing also (one was on US server a New York vanished visually and on minimap in 2k range of the ognevoi on the ocean map, while he was shooting - the even week) and other was the salem witch vanishing on 8k range on open sea also (no smokes no nothing - no visual or minimap, only visible was his spam fire).

[Black_Moon_Rising]

Is this normal?

 

Over the past week or so i'm seeing ships that i engage with go invisible at 4KM,) its not just specific ships its all sorts of cruisers and destroyers (Tier 5 and lower)

 

I'm getting a bit sick of it to be frank, who in this development team thinks its a good idea to have ships go invisible at 6, 5, even 4KM a few seconds after they go behind an island and remain invisible until they start firing again? WTF?

 

Seriously do they think its fun, do they think it adds spice to the game to make it impossible to track your targets at a distance where you can throw a stone at it?

 

They are haemorrhaging players, in the BETA this game had nearly 3 times the amount of players it does now, why? if it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

 

Same problem all the time mate.

They keep saying its because of smoke and all that kind of [edited]but ships keep disapearing right in front of me 3-5 kliometers away on open water.

No island, no smoke, no bad videocard etc etc.

Everytime i post something about it others start to flame away here and the topic gets closed and moved.

Its a major bug i see all the time also in youtube movies and many players complain about it.

It has nothing to do with zoom range and all that stuff, just poor rendering on WG side.

This is the first game i played online with  arround 40 FPS lol.

Dont know what kind of hardware they use but mine is fine.

[TheJezna]

 

 

Same problem all the time mate.

They keep saying its because of smoke and all that kind of [edited]but ships keep disapearing right in front of me 3-5 kliometers away on open water.

No island, no smoke, no bad videocard etc etc.

Everytime i post something about it others start to flame away here and the topic gets closed and moved.

Its a major bug i see all the time also in youtube movies and many players complain about it.

It has nothing to do with zoom range and all that stuff, just poor rendering on WG side.

This is the first game i played online with  arround 40 FPS lol.

Dont know what kind of hardware they use but mine is fine.

 

Could you please provide a replay or at least a link to one of those youtube videos you are refering? Because I was unable to find them on youtube and throughout about 1,500 games I've never seen something like this happen.

 

As to the OP, nothing strange happening in that video. As for him seing you, yes, if someone on his team saw you, so did he. But I'd add that firing torps around the edge of an island you expect someone to sail around is pretty common practice, I do it all the time and it's scored me many kills, and the fact his guns were pointing at you, well yes, if he didn't see you he made a choice as to where he thought most likely you would appear and aimed there, 50% (or more, he might have gotten a glimse of what you were doing) of being right. Better than aiming at something unrelated, he knew you would come around that island at some point.

[Humbug_1]

 

 

Same problem all the time mate.

They keep saying its because of smoke and all that kind of [edited]but ships keep disapearing right in front of me 3-5 kliometers away on open water.

No island, no smoke, no bad videocard etc etc.

Everytime i post something about it others start to flame away here and the topic gets closed and moved.

Its a major bug i see all the time also in youtube movies and many players complain about it.

It has nothing to do with zoom range and all that stuff, just poor rendering on WG side.

This is the first game i played online with  arround 40 FPS lol.

Dont know what kind of hardware they use but mine is fine.

 

yeah in the YT didnt saw nothing wrong, but it had happened to me that some ships (when on my DD) like Nex mexico ect vanished from me visually and on minimap on 4k range (while beign on open see, and now smoke no nothing) .

damn i even saw 2 streamers have enemy ships vanishing also (one was on US server a New York vanished visually and on minimap in 2k range of the ognevoi on the ocean map, while he was shooting - the even week) and other was the salem witch vanishing on 8k range on open sea also (no smokes no nothing - no visual or minimap, only visible was his spam fire).

 

Interesting, its rare but i have had that happen, it is rare and i sort of accept that as an occasional glitch but if it happens more and more......

 

Save your recordings, i will