WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #1 Posted October 25, 2015 Which ship (max tier V I'd say) is a good start for beginners, as in user friendly and effective? As of now I want to get better with DDs, and I've found the Tier II IJN DD to be quite good with upgraded torps, but I'd like to know if I should focus on some other branches because I've heard bad things of USN and IJN Tier III DDs. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #2 Posted October 25, 2015 St Louis is the favourite of many. High HP and lots of guns make it an idea ship for new players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #3 Posted October 25, 2015 St Louis is the favourite of many. High HP and lots of guns make it an idea ship for new players HE spam basically would be the meta for that ship, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HF_30] Abraa Beta Tester 388 posts 9,607 battles Report post #4 Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) Tier 2: Dresden with AP ammo and Umikaze Tier 3: St. Louis and Derzki Tier 4: Phoenix and Isokaze Tier 5: Furutaka and Minekaze. Edited October 25, 2015 by Abraa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Zeromancer_ Players 171 posts 1,317 battles Report post #5 Posted October 25, 2015 HE spam basically would be the meta for that ship, right? Many belive so yes, but St.Louis is a killer with AP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #6 Posted October 25, 2015 T2: Strozhevoi (or something like that) was quite fun for me, Umikaze as well T3: St.Louis, Tenyru T4: Kuma, Wyoming, Clemson, Isokaze T5: Omaha, New York, Kongo, Minekaze Those are all the ships I've enjoyed playing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FRSO] the_dude33 Weekend Tester 350 posts 2,432 battles Report post #7 Posted October 25, 2015 St Louis is the favourite of many. High HP and lots of guns make it an idea ship for new players Well, I was of this opinion as well, until recently. Now I see that HE spamming seduces people into "pew pew pew..." - just firing all the time, staying in binoculars view and not seeing anything else (neither minimap nor where they are going). Easy, ok, but that might mean that many will stay noobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogDodgeUK Alpha Tester 2,070 posts 1,152 battles Report post #8 Posted October 25, 2015 moved to newcomers section Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #9 Posted October 25, 2015 Many belive so yes, but St.Louis is a killer with AP. ^ Exactly this. Many players just do not realise how much damage the St Louis can do with AP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdpants_666 Players 207 posts 2,515 battles Report post #10 Posted October 25, 2015 Well, I was of this opinion as well, until recently. Now I see that HE spamming seduces people into "pew pew pew..." - just firing all the time, staying in binoculars view and not seeing anything else (neither minimap nor where they are going). Easy, ok, but that might mean that many will stay noobs. Definitely some truth in this, with high volume firing ships like the St. Lous it can be very tempting to just stay zoomed in with the LMB pressed down continually, I'm still a bit too prone to do so myself, although I always keep at least half an eye on the map and have a RMB look around every so often. I think it's still a newbie-friendly ship though, great firepower, not quite as sluggish as you'd think from looking at it and quite forgiving, particularly if your enemy doesn't realise it's all about a waste to fire low-caliber AP at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Zeromancer_ Players 171 posts 1,317 battles Report post #11 Posted October 25, 2015 ^ Exactly this. Many players just do not realise how much damage the St Louis can do with AP. Yup. Once a phoenix and a Murmansk decided to jump me while alone in my Louis. I shot AP back and was the one who sailed away alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #12 Posted October 25, 2015 Many belive so yes, but St.Louis is a killer with AP. I...well...thanks! moved to newcomers section Thanks, was unsure where to post this ^ Exactly this. Many players just do not realise how much damage the St Louis can do with AP. Oh wow I would have never actually guessed that. Won't AP overpen the DDs or cruisers that try to attack me? T2: Strozhevoi (or something like that) was quite fun for me, Umikaze as well T3: St.Louis, Tenyru T4: Kuma, Wyoming, Clemson, Isokaze T5: Omaha, New York, Kongo, Minekaze Those are all the ships I've enjoyed playing I actually didn't think about the Russian line, I thought they were all bad ships actually. "Funny" How there are no german ships in your list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Zeromancer_ Players 171 posts 1,317 battles Report post #13 Posted October 25, 2015 Oh wow I would have never actually guessed that. Won't AP overpen the DDs or cruisers that try to attack me? Ap may overpen DDs yes, and can have a hard time penning BBs. But AP will just 'vaporize' cruisers. The trick is to know which ammo to shoot at which type of target. Easy rule of thumb; HE against DDs and BBs, AP on CCs and CVs (Though it can be usefull to shoot some HE at CVs to start fire before shooting AP to kill it fast (with fire you stop the launching of planes)). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #14 Posted October 25, 2015 T2: Strozhevoi (or something like that) was quite fun for me, Umikaze as well T3: St.Louis, Tenyru T4: Kuma, Wyoming, Clemson, Isokaze T5: Omaha, New York, Kongo, Minekaze Those are all the ships I've enjoyed playing I found T5 Nicholas more enjoyable than Clemson because of notably increased range of 127mm gun, little better stealth and faster speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #15 Posted October 25, 2015 Ap may overpen DDs yes, and can have a hard time penning BBs. But AP will just 'vaporize' cruisers. The trick is to know which ammo to shoot at which type of target. Easy rule of thumb; HE against DDs and BBs, AP on CCs and CVs (Though it can be usefull to shoot some HE at CVs to start fire before shooting AP to kill it fast (with fire you stop the launching of planes)). Oh well then thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdpants_666 Players 207 posts 2,515 battles Report post #16 Posted October 25, 2015 I actually never thought about the Russian line, I thought they were all bad ships actually. "Funny" How there are no german ships in your list. I've just barely started to look into the USSR DDs. Actually not having that bad of a run with the Storozhevoi, 3 kills over the 2 last battles, which is pretty decent for me(one was a total kill steal though :p). Its guns are good, just insanely slow to turn, so I have to un-train both my IJN and US DD playstyle. Your torps are utter garbage, so you'd assume it would be an in-your-face gun brawler, but it's not that either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #17 Posted October 25, 2015 Storozhevoi was kinda fun as soon as i forgot that i have torps. Most people i see tend to try to use them and they end as free frag. My low tier favourites: I - Orlan - quite fun to sail compared to other tier I ships II - Dresden III - Nothing really. St Louis would be obvious answer, but often i got on the bigger maps with tier IV ships, and there combination of pathetic speed and range sapped all fun for me. IV - Phoenix, Kuma V - Omaha, Kongo, Konigsberg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mimos_A Players 26 posts 413 battles Report post #18 Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) I love the Omaha. A lot more than the St. Louis actually, it has a nice rate of fire and the range is awesome. The St. Louis just feels too slow for me and when you're low-tier you can get picked off by stuff that can just stay out of your range quite easily using their speed. Edited October 25, 2015 by Mimos_A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #19 Posted October 25, 2015 I...well...thanks! Thanks, was unsure where to post this Oh wow I would have never actually guessed that. Won't AP overpen the DDs or cruisers that try to attack me? I actually didn't think about the Russian line, I thought they were all bad ships actually. "Funny" How there are no german ships in your list. Well I wanted to add Kolberg and Konigsberg but lots of people dislike them and find them hard to play... I found T5 Nicholas more enjoyable than Clemson because of notably increased range of 127mm gun, little better stealth and faster speed. It is, but I found it a bit harder to play, that's why I didn't put it on the list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #20 Posted October 25, 2015 Well I wanted to add Kolberg and Konigsberg but lots of people dislike them and find them hard to play... It is, but I found it a bit harder to play, that's why I didn't put it on the list I tried around 5 games in the St.Louis. Erm...not even a kill yet, I need to figure out how to move in that tub. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTES] ShuggieHamster [BOTES] Players 807 posts 13,196 battles Report post #21 Posted October 25, 2015 Hated the st louis loved ... t2 umikaze t3 tenryu and wakatake t4 isokaze phoenix and kuma t5 minekaze omaha and the konigsberg I Tend to dd and cl ships.... Thats where the excitement is for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Zeromancer_ Players 171 posts 1,317 battles Report post #22 Posted October 26, 2015 I tried around 5 games in the St.Louis. Erm...not even a kill yet, I need to figure out how to move in that tub. It's a slow tub in deed. Look at the Louis as a small BB. Never be alone, always try to stay with the pack. If you get into situations were you're alone against one or two enemy ships, try to angle your ship towards them (0-45') and go brawl (never give them your broadside though). Aim your AP at the waterline, center of mass (most likely to get those citadel hits), aim HE at the superstructure (starts fires). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #23 Posted October 26, 2015 It's a slow tub in deed. Look at the Louis as a small BB. Never be alone, always try to stay with the pack. If you get into situations were you're alone against one or two enemy ships, try to angle your ship towards them (0-45') and go brawl (never give them your broadside though). Aim your AP at the waterline, center of mass (most likely to get those citadel hits), aim HE at the superstructure (starts fires). Thanks, I got told by a guy during a game that an effective strategy with it is locking your rudder and constantly turning, is it true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Zeromancer_ Players 171 posts 1,317 battles Report post #24 Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks, I got told by a guy during a game that an effective strategy with it is locking your rudder and constantly turning, is it true? Jingles 'circle of death' Well, in low tier games where you face players without experience this can be useful. But when you get to face players with experience, they will kill you easy. So I would not recommend it in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildBlueYonder Players 28 posts 885 battles Report post #25 Posted October 27, 2015 Jingles 'circle of death' Well, in low tier games where you face players without experience this can be useful. But when you get to face players with experience, they will kill you easy. So I would not recommend it in the long run. Yeah I kinda guessed, ahaha! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
