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really who cares about the  russian/ soviet navy ships  outside russia and what did they actually do  besides firing at dutch fisherman  in 1905 or  scuttling their own ships  in 41 and 42

 

 

in my opinion wargamingnet would have had a much more posituve response  if they had launch another nations tier than there , overpowered  line of  mostly paper ships  that like i sad are on mid and high tiers obvious way overpowered

 

people are waiting  for  the british  not  some  overpowered  paperships that never exsisted or certainly never had these abilities  and quality of what you want us to believe

 

even french or italian navy ships of those periods would have been much more interesting than these  stupid  absurd overpowered soviet destroyers

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YOU don't care, russians do.

 

Learn simple marketing, cupcake.

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we all have different ideas about which nation needs releasing and in what order but wg are looking at it mostly from a business line and they see releasing the Russian and german more important than the brit or French ect lines


 

as for the Russian dd being op then that's a big no from me cos i think they are crap

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OP ships? Okay... if light cruisers with bad damage are op then ok sure... lol

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As for the Brits, as a Brit myself I am extremely hype for the British Royal Navy in the game. Currently I have the most of my games played on the Imperial Japanese Navy ships, but literally the moment we get the British ships, I am dedicating myself to getting to Tier 10 as quickly as possible. Also, it's WarGaming, I would honestly not be surprised had the German Cruisers been worse than they already are, and the Soviet Destroyers that were never actually built being some almighty gods of destruction. This company has shown clear Russian bias before in previous games and their video series, why are you not surprised if the Soviet Destroyers were OP? 

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The premium Gremyaschiy 130-mm gun had 2-2.5 worse tire&wear characteristics than British guns according to the research made by influential iChasegaming (if you dig WoWS, you should definitely subscribe to his channel). In real life Soviet ships were mediocre at least. Just one example: Soviets launched 4 large BBs of Soviet Union class just before the WWII. One of them was built up to the waterline and... scrapped right in the docks. Reason - 70 thousand faulty rivets. How could a country that failed at producing rivets produce a rival to King George V or Yamato? It's ridiculous. 

 

I'm not worried about them in the game. It is just the game. I don't play them for a number of reasons. But I don't like this monkeywrenching policy. In a while you will have a whole bunch of teenagers or people too lazy to check the facts who will actually believe "Russian might and glory" fairytales. 

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The premium Gremyaschiy 130-mm gun had 2-2.5 worse tire&wear characteristics than British guns according to the research made by influential iChasegaming (if you dig WoWS, you should definitely subscribe to his channel). In real life Soviet ships were mediocre at least. Just one example: Soviets launched 4 large BBs of Soviet Union class just before the WWII. One of them was built up to the waterline and... scrapped right in the docks. Reason - 70 thousand faulty rivets. How could a country that failed at producing rivets produce a rival to King George V or Yamato? It's ridiculous. 

 

I'm not worried about them in the game. It is just the game. I don't play them for a number of reasons. But I don't like this monkeywrenching policy. In a while you will have a whole bunch of teenagers or people too lazy to check the facts who will actually believe "Russian might and glory" fairytales. 

 

Silly western kapitalist! Ze reason zat Battleship was skrap was not fault rivet! It zwas a handikap for stronk russian navy defending ze motherland, da! Silly western kapitalist would not stand against might of powerful kommunist battleship!

 

It's a Belarussian company, expect Russian bias in typical Russian fashion. I'm half expecting this post to be removed for me making fun of the sterotypical Soviets. Historically the Russian navy has been a complete joke, the Japanese obliterated them at Tsushima and nobody ever remembers they did anything else, to include them before the British Royal Navy is somewhat disgusting, but complaining won't get the Brits here faster, unfortunately.

 

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I wouldn't be so quick to look forward to the british vessels, WG have a habit of taking much anticipated vehicles and ruining them. Everyone expected the german ships to be all powerful and they were released as, well, terribad. I fully anticipate the British vessels (as designed / configured by WG) will in some way be laughable. I'll be extremely surprised if they do the RN ships true justice, so be careful what you wish for, WG have disappointed people terribly in this regard in the past. They set the standard around the US and IJN ships, and everything else that comes after gets the leftovers in terms of strengths and weaknesses, the RN ships will be no different.

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I know everyone loves blowing the "Russian bias" and "OMG Russian vehicles are OP" trumpets, but the actual reason why we have Soviet ships already is different and very simple. As you may know, the Warships development studio is located in St. Petersburg, a historic Russian port city.

 

As you can imagine, gaining access to documents regarding Soviet ships was much easier, especially in the early stages of development and they performed a lot of the basic game research with the material at hand. No matter which nations we would have introduced first, someone would have found cause to complain. British ships will be coming, don't worry.

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As you can imagine, gaining access to documents regarding Soviet ships was much easier, especially in the early stages of development and they performed a lot of the basic game research with the material at hand. 

I think some people might be slightly sceptical about this reason. They obviously gained access to documents regarding US and Japanese ships ! :sceptic:

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I think some people might be slightly sceptical about this reason. They obviously gained access to documents regarding US and Japanese ships ! :sceptic:

 

Both of them countries in which we have an office and a dedicated military specialist :)

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Both of them countries in which we have an office and a dedicated military specialist :)

 

Move to the UK - NOW !!! :trollface:
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Don't quite see what the ''russian bias'' deal is. Thus far, from my observations, the russian DDs have been pretty terrible in battle. I'm likely going to be checking them out myself soon but they seem pretty faulty and their strengths are miniscule, only really factoring in when fighting other DDs. As for UP germans... Mmyeah, no. They seem pretty solid statistically and my impressions of them as a cruiser player are pretty good. 

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really who cares about the  russian/ soviet navy ships  outside russia and what did they actually do  besides firing at dutch fisherman  in 1905 or  scuttling their own ships  in 41 and 42

 

 

Who cares outside Russia you ask?

Well I do for one. New line of ships, somewhat different playstyle compared to peers from other nations, can produce some epic moments... what is not to like?

Of course coming from a country without the big "naval history" I could not care less about the order of navies included, as long as the newly introduced ships are fun and distinctive (to the extent possible)  from the other nations.

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Both of them countries in which we have an office and a dedicated military specialist :)

 

Also worth noting MrConway that although the US Navy was quite a bit larger than RN by end of WW2 they had about half the classes of ship in service than RN. There are many more different classes in  RN so more to research and pick from so longer to do

 

US DD classes for 1900-1939   22 (based this on last ship of class commissioned)

RN DD Classes for 1900-1939 48 (based this on last ship of class commissioned) and this is with me bunching the A-I classes as a sub class or the Amazon class if we separate these we would have almost 60 classes of DD in game for time period of WoWS

 

And this is just DD if we add CA/CV and BB to the pot!! well i for one don't envy the guys and girls sent to research RN ships for the game.

 

 

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I wouldn't be so quick to look forward to the british vessels, WG have a habit of taking much anticipated vehicles and ruining them. Everyone expected the german ships to be all powerful and they were released as, well, terribad. I fully anticipate the British vessels (as designed / configured by WG) will in some way be laughable. I'll be extremely surprised if they do the RN ships true justice, so be careful what you wish for, WG have disappointed people terribly in this regard in the past. They set the standard around the US and IJN ships, and everything else that comes after gets the leftovers in terms of strengths and weaknesses, the RN ships will be no different.

 

Yes I remember just how terrible most of the British tanks were when they came out in WoT.
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What I really, really do not understand is why people complain about new ships being introduced. Guys, this is a game. It is meant to provide enjoyment for you while also learning a thing or two about history. Personally, I don't care about the nations much, for me they only play a role when I consider taking a new captain or a new harbor slot. Most of the ships in the game are fun to play in their own way. And this is what they are meant to do. This is not meant to be a place for political agenda or whining because your nation is not yet represented in the game. There is only so much Wargaming can introduce in any given timeframe and I do prefer the current approach of handing out what is basically ready instead of having to wait a lot longer until all branches of all navies are done.

 

So, instead of constantly complaining why there is no (nation of your choice/ship of your choice) in the game while the historically insignificant Russian destroyerline / German cruiserline is, you could just take those ships out and try them? I still struggle with the Russian DDs simply because I am not good at keeping my distance and my captains are not high enough. The German cruisers on the other hand seem to have their uses. Well, except for the Tier 4 Karlsruhe which is just next to useless. But it would seem that any given line has at least one totally horrible ship and I'd rather have it on tier 4 than on tier 8 or so.

 

And I am definately looking forward to the Emperor Nikolai I. and the Polish destroyer whose name I rather skip than mispronunce.

 

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The Russian DD's aren't that good to be honest...the torp range of @ 4 km is laughable but does make you consider your playing style. I find with them you have to carry out ambush attacks to sink anything with torps. The guns are okay but you wouldn't want to get into a shooting match with a cruiser, even the German low tier ones.

 

Talking of the Germans...the cruisers are just HE spam machines but their armour appears to be tissue paper...the Dresden seems to catch fire every other hit !

 

I can also understand why these two nations came before the RN. Basic marketing really..play to your key markets and in this case that's Russia with their WWII foe the Germans to beat up on. The RN will follow in time and I'm looking forward to see which DD class is included..as TOby Jug posted there are loads for WG to pick from :)

 

Just my t'penneth worth..............

 

 

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Also worth noting MrConway that although the US Navy was quite a bit larger than RN by end of WW2 they had about half the classes of ship in service than RN. There are many more different classes in  RN so more to research and pick from so longer to do

 

US DD classes for 1900-1939   22 (based this on last ship of class commissioned)

RN DD Classes for 1900-1939 48 (based this on last ship of class commissioned) and this is with me bunching the A-I classes as a sub class or the Amazon class if we separate these we would have almost 60 classes of DD in game for time period of WoWS

 

And this is just DD if we add CA/CV and BB to the pot!! well i for one don't envy the guys and girls sent to research RN ships for the game.

 

 

 

And what to do with all the different classes? 2-3 different DD lines? A BB line with numerous different classes which differ marginally from each other on the low to mid tiers, followed by some medicore, compromise designes and blue prints up from tier 7?

The RN provides plenty of material to fill up and spread the variety of ships for the specific trees, but it is just as difficult to develope full 10-tier trees for the brits, as it is with almost any other navy despite of the IJN and the USN, since there is a huge lack of material worthy for tier 8-10.

People are already complaining about the ammount of fictional designs within the german cruiser tree. WG will have to choose carefully, which way to go with other nations.

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And what to do with all the different classes? 2-3 different DD lines? A BB line with numerous different classes which differ marginally from each other on the low to mid tiers, followed by some medicore, compromise designes and blue prints up from tier 7?

The RN provides plenty of material to fill up and spread the variety of ships for the specific trees, but it is just as difficult to develope full 10-tier trees for the brits, as it is with almost any other navy despite of the IJN and the USN, since there is a huge lack of material worthy for tier 8-10.

People are already complaining about the ammount of fictional designs within the german cruiser tree. WG will have to choose carefully, which way to go with other nations.

Not trying to say that they should add them all!! what i am saying is there is way way way more work involved in reviewing the ships of teh RN to deside which to add to game than probably any other nation in the game!

Yes there are no brainers like Warspite/Belfast and the V-W and Tribal class DD's

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The Russian DD's aren't that good to be honest...the torp range of @ 4 km is laughable but does make you consider your playing style. I find with them you have to carry out ambush attacks to sink anything with torps. The guns are okay but you wouldn't want to get into a shooting match with a cruiser, even the German low tier ones.

 

 

Talking of the Germans...the cruisers are just HE spam machines but their armour appears to be tissue paper...the Dresden seems to catch fire every other hit !

 

 

On the first point; I'm not saying I think the Soviet DD's are looking really good right now, but...     if you've ever fought against any good player in your destroyer, you would know that any torpedoes launched further than 2km are basically wasted because they get spotted and dodged easily. Sure 20km torp range would be fun so you can spam blindly and hope to hit something once a week but that's not deadly or reliable in any way.  The second thing, most cruisers are absolutely designed to eat any DD's alive so you're supposed to run when cruisers start aiming at you or you die anyway, no matter how good guns your DD has.  With these two things said, your arguments are pretty much nullified imo.

 

About the Germans... the way I'm seeing it, it's totally the opposite; they're AP spam machines with elevated AP damage value, longer ranges and more sensible shell trajectories? Also, there are not many cruisers that can be sure they can afford to really take hits from anyone except DD's - cruisers should expect to get #rekt if they show their sides and let the enemy fire away. About the chance to get lit up, you may as well be right but I'm still saying you're not supposed to be a sitting duck taking focused fire, instead withdraw and come back with allies if you want to fight. You might want to think about cruisers more like support/utility ships than stand-alone one-man armies.

 

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Basic marketing really..play to your key markets and in this case that's Russia

 

Except this is an internet game, if you market properly, you should do equally well in every country.

 

That WG is a russian company and does best in the russian market speaks volumes about which market they care about more. As a business if they want to do as well as possible they need to drop the Russian bias or they will be forever confined to the domestic market as their strongest performer.

 

If they took the preference for the Russian market away, introducing the navies according to the part they historically played would be a far better marketing choice globally than domestically. Its a very short sighted business model they are using.

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