Is there some secret RNG or Pentetration nerf to the Fuso?

[KapteinSabeltann]

I love my Kongo - great ship with good performance. So I was quite happily anticipating my Fuso. I have had the fuso for IDK a month or so - and after the first few games I just stopped playing it. I could not penetrate any enemy battleships - at least not for citadels. I was in a point blank brawl with a Wyoming and I could not score a Citadel.

 

Why? Fuso is my worst performing ship in the game - I did better in the Myogi - hell in the Kawachi even. The guns feel like 130mm not 356mm. Ok I have had some very bad teams in it - and let's face it - BBs kinda need the rest of the team to not have a collective brainmelt. But even so some decent damage should be expected.

 

Today I decided to give her a try again - after all on paper she looks like a beast right? So after three games whats the results? 3-4 ships sunk - plenty of hits. Last round a poor Aoba came unprepared around an island at 3-ish kms range. I aim at it's HUGE citadel area and just broadside it (it's on 30% health) and it's an instagib right? No - not ONE citadel - and even though some shot overpenetrated not all of them did. I failed to sink it with my full broadside... If I had been in my Cleveland or Aoba that thing would be dead before he knew what hit him.

 

I don't know - maybe it's bad luck but after 20 or so games in the Fuso it is my worst ship in the game, not just worst BB but worst ship. I don't get it - is there anything I should know? Is the penetration values on the ship insanely bad? I am on the B hull.

 

Edit: just checked - 13 games 3 wins in the Fuso - spm is absymal, even worse than the Kawachi for me.

[AgarwaenME]

 first few games 

 

"First few games" isn't statisticly relevant in any way whatsoever

[ollonborre]

It sounds just like bad luck and/or poor aiming (no offense, but 18% hitratio is very poor). And like the Agarwaen said, you have barely played it. Elite it, play around more with it and learn how to abuse the DPM and range. It is probably tier for tier the most powerful BB in the game.

[KapteinSabeltann]

It sounds just like bad luck and/or poor aiming (no offense, but 18% hitratio is very poor). And like the Agarwaen said, you have barely played it. Elite it, play around more with it and learn how to abuse the DPM and range. It is probably tier for tier the most powerful BB in the game.

 

Acc is because of a lot of inital long range shelling. Works out fine - not all that many hits but really fun to do citadel at 20 kms. But I agree about the nuber of games, but it still does not make sense - may aim does not instantly fail the second I load up the Fuso when it works fine in the Kongo... My problem is that why is the same shots that work in the Kongo NEVER working in the Fuso... Dumping that ship for now something is off. I still have my kongo that is really nice so I don't need it - less CV's with the Kongo too....

[T0rad]

thats easy i started playing it and it seems WG nerfes ships i currently play. (this wnet with colo, NC, Fuso)  

 

JK. i dont do an awful lot of penetrations in fuso. expected quite a few more. even on cruisers. still its fast and has a lot of potential, i have 70k avarege dmg on it. (not great, but somewhat ok). dont give up on Fuso yet. By the way, do you think, that there is a pseudorandom for citadels? because ive started noticing, that when i hit citadels early on, i wont hit may later... like chance to citadel goes down with each one hit. 

[KapteinSabeltann]

 By the way, do you think, that there is a pseudorandom for citadels? because ive started noticing, that when i hit citadels early on, i wont hit may later... like chance to citadel goes down with each one hit. 

 

No, I don't think there is a dynamic reducition in chance of citadels derived from your citadel count in any given game. But - and I just have this from various forumpages and youtubers, none of which I remember right now - I have heard about "penetration values" e.g. one 203 mm gun have a larger chance to penetrate then another 203 gun - but I have no idea where to find that info.

 

It's clearly not listed in the GUI all you get there is 1) calliber and 2) max damage potential - they don't even tell you anything about penetration values for AP at optimal range, optimal range being straight on shot at armour - no angling etc. That info I think should be in the game - what is the max potential penetration of your current guns.

 

Having done some tests in practice room I find that ships with similar armour have quite different penetration success with the same gun. Example - using the T5 USN DD Nicholas AP I would score penetrations on an Omaha consistently at a certain range, whereas when trying to do the same on a Furutaka I had to close to much closer range (1 km closer) This seems strange to me as the Omaha on paper have equal or better armour than the Furutaka (same max value, higher minimum value). Tried multiple times and results were consistent - see enclosed pictures from the replay.

 

A couple of things to mention - The Furutaka have a lower Above-water hull and as such is harder to hit on the side, and judging from the drop of the shots there might be some effective angling going on. Other than that I had to close to about 4.4 kms to the Furutaka before I could penetrate it consistently (In both cases at these ranges every salvo yielded 2xPenetrations). I know from Ingame experience that I am able to penetrate an Omaha out to 7kms with the Nicholas. As for the different amount of shots to sink - The ships had various damage from my failed attempts.

 

My MAIN point is that I don't seem to be able to score the same penetrating hits with my Fuso as I do with my Kongo, leading to me feeling less confident brawling with the Fuso than I do with the Kongo - and that just don't make sense. The Kongo have 100mm less armour than the fuso (2/3)  and 2/3 of the firepower. The only place the Kongo is on par, and therefore relatively better, is on secondaries and AA.

[T0rad]

well because WG is making this balance wrong, things like that might happen as result of internal, non visible stats. 

 

anyway, nice post dude, lot of work i see

[GeneralHorstPital]

I must say, I noticed almost the same.

Although the Fuso is by average XP and damage my best ship, I don´t get many citadels in it. Against other BBs, almost never, even at point blank range. Sometimes I hit two or three salvos against cruisers but no citadel.

I never experienced that in the Kongo. Still, I deal more damage with Fuso, simply because it has more guns...

[Foxhound128]

Well, that's because Fuso gets matched up against tier 7's and 8's, and BB's at those tiers are designed to withstand 356mm shells. Remember, you have 12 guns indeed, but those are the very same 356mm you get on the Myogi.

[T0rad]

well yes, then id expect to be able to citadel Kongos and myogis, which im not.

 

not sure about hte myogi part, i might have never met one whilst in Fuso

[Exocet6951]

Well, that's because Fuso gets matched up against tier 7's and 8's, and BB's at those tiers are designed to withstand 356mm shells. Remember, you have 12 guns indeed, but those are the very same 356mm you get on the Myogi.

 

Not really no.

They're more accurate and have better penetration.

[Xmen]

Fuso is  good at doing citadel on other BB from long range due to the high shell arc (aim for upper deck) and good accuracy, at shortish to medium range you will only reliably citadel cruisers. 

 

When you get to nagato ,  due to the low shell arc, you will rarely citadel BB from long range  but have easier time citadelling from short to mid range.

 

very different game style .

[T0rad]

Fuso is  good at doing citadel on other BB from long range due to the high shell arc (aim for upper deck) and good accuracy, at shortish to medium range you will only reliably citadel cruisers. 

 

When you get to nagato ,  due to the low shell arc, you will rarely citadel BB from long range  but have easier time citadelling from short to mid range.

 

very different game style .

 

About good accuracy... today i fied 4 salvos on furutaka and konigsberg.... perfectly aimed 14 to 18 km... all went around said ships. i cleaned them like dishwasher from all sides. is there anything man can to do be not hated by RNGesus so much? there days i like destros the most, because they are not prone to rng screwing... all the other ship? why even try when game actively discurages you? BB used to be my favorite class. now its favorite source of raging frustration. curse you wg, curse you with my bad luck. 

 

[PzAbteilung]

i have 380 games on my fuso, so if wg would change something on it, i will notice... and the bad news are... that i have noticed already!!!

some months ago, when i started to play this game(wit worse skills than now), i was able to do 4 or 5 citadels in every match with no difficult. I have even a screen with  9 citadels in single match.

 

what now? Now i cant do more than 2, 3 if im very lucky, tons of shoots without penetration or damage. I can say, fuso is by this moment a crap.Same bad aim and low penetrations are experienced now on kongo, which back un time was very accurate

 

My impression? wg has done a ninja nerf, ninja nerfs are the balancing style of wg since i play wot, i left wot because this kind of stuff, and seems that my patience wont be enought to not frustrate on wows if they keep this way

[__Katniss__]

i have 380 games on my fuso, so if wg would change something on it, i will notice... and the bad news are... that i have noticed already!!!

some months ago, when i started to play this game(wit worse skills than now), i was able to do 4 or 5 citadels in every match with no difficult. I have even a screen with  9 citadels in single match.

 

what now? Now i cant do more than 2, 3 if im very lucky, tons of shoots without penetration or damage. I can say, fuso is by this moment a crap.Same bad aim and low penetrations are experienced now on kongo, which back un time was very accurate

 

My impression? wg has done a ninja nerf, ninja nerfs are the balancing style of wg since i play wot, i left wot because this kind of stuff, and seems that my patience wont be enought to not frustrate on wows if they keep this way

Secret nerfs are speacial ability of WG. They think players are too dumb to notice those small changes. I saw few videos of Fuso befor i started to play with her. It looked amazing. Few days ago i bough it finally and it was painfull to play vs Mexico. Full salvo on side 3k dmg. It was more effective to shot his superstructure from side. Somehow i managed to hold around 90k avg but not fun at all. Its nothing new for me I played WOT almost 5 years 

[PzAbteilung]

i have 60k avg damage on fuso, it was usual for me do more than 80k, then ranked matches came up and i started playing it for last month, only ranked, and only nagato+myoko.

Once i reached rank 1 i came again to random battles, and now i cant do nothing with my fuso, i feel like a noob who dont kown how to shoot to get hits, near 0 citadels everytime.

Maybe im worse player now, or maybe the ship is worse than 1 month ago

[WWladCZ]

Kongo has the same cannons as Fuso so I think it will be the same. In my opinion Kongo has the worst type of shell traverse time and lacks damaging effect to make up for it. Most of the time you miss the target completely because the shells just fly at insane arc and target just dodged it and even if you do score hit it is 1k dmg or it deal no dmg at all. I recently upgraded Colorado to full and it suffers from the same arc problem at even lower range than Kongo but if you hit it at least does good amouts of damage making it both frustrating and kind of rewarding form time to time.

[damo74]

I love my Kongo - great ship with good performance. So I was quite happily anticipating my Fuso. I have had the fuso for IDK a month or so - and after the first few games I just stopped playing it. I could not penetrate any enemy battleships - at least not for citadels. I was in a point blank brawl with a Wyoming and I could not score a Citadel.

 

Why? Fuso is my worst performing ship in the game - I did better in the Myogi - hell in the Kawachi even. The guns feel like 130mm not 356mm. Ok I have had some very bad teams in it - and let's face it - BBs kinda need the rest of the team to not have a collective brainmelt. But even so some decent damage should be expected.

 

Today I decided to give her a try again - after all on paper she looks like a beast right? So after three games whats the results? 3-4 ships sunk - plenty of hits. Last round a poor Aoba came unprepared around an island at 3-ish kms range. I aim at it's HUGE citadel area and just broadside it (it's on 30% health) and it's an instagib right? No - not ONE citadel - and even though some shot overpenetrated not all of them did. I failed to sink it with my full broadside... If I had been in my Cleveland or Aoba that thing would be dead before he knew what hit him.

 

I don't know - maybe it's bad luck but after 20 or so games in the Fuso it is my worst ship in the game, not just worst BB but worst ship. I don't get it - is there anything I should know? Is the penetration values on the ship insanely bad? I am on the B hull.

 

Edit: just checked - 13 games 3 wins in the Fuso - spm is absymal, even worse than the Kawachi for me.

 

I have the same issue with the Fuso. I used to regularly wreck opposing teams with the Kongo, but with the Fuso it's just lacklustre. I can't put my finger on why that is, maybe it's just luck and I keep getting bad teams when I take the Fuso out. But my performance with the Fuso is much worse than with the Kongo.

[Unintentional_submarine]

i have 60k avg damage on fuso, it was usual for me do more than 80k, then ranked matches came up and i started playing it for last month, only ranked, and only nagato+myoko.

Once i reached rank 1 i came again to random battles, and now i cant do nothing with my fuso, i feel like a noob who dont kown how to shoot to get hits, near 0 citadels everytime.

Maybe im worse player now, or maybe the ship is worse than 1 month ago

 

Or maybe it is neither.

If you noticed, recently the tier spread was changed and a lot of the previously eligible tiers were closed down, in general resulting in more games around your own tier. However for Kongo and Fuso, this meant no more T3 clubbing essentially. It is remarkable how much 'easy' damage you could suck out of those ships. And now they are gone, outside of special circumstances. It is thus hardly a surprise that the average damage has gone down. It has for me as well. In my Kongo at least. I topped out at 83k average, now it is down to 76k. But that's not because I do inherently worse, or the ship itself is worse, it has to do with the targets I shoot at.

[mariouus]

 

No, I don't think there is a dynamic reducition in chance of citadels derived from your citadel count in any given game. But - and I just have this from various forumpages and youtubers, none of which I remember right now - I have heard about "penetration values" e.g. one 203 mm gun have a larger chance to penetrate then another 203 gun - but I have no idea where to find that info.

 

It's clearly not listed in the GUI all you get there is 1) calliber and 2) max damage potential - they don't even tell you anything about penetration values for AP at optimal range, optimal range being straight on shot at armour - no angling etc. That info I think should be in the game - what is the max potential penetration of your current guns.

 

Having done some tests in practice room I find that ships with similar armour have quite different penetration success with the same gun. Example - using the T5 USN DD Nicholas AP I would score penetrations on an Omaha consistently at a certain range, whereas when trying to do the same on a Furutaka I had to close to much closer range (1 km closer) This seems strange to me as the Omaha on paper have equal or better armour than the Furutaka (same max value, higher minimum value). Tried multiple times and results were consistent - see enclosed pictures from the replay.

 

A couple of things to mention - The Furutaka have a lower Above-water hull and as such is harder to hit on the side, and judging from the drop of the shots there might be some effective angling going on. Other than that I had to close to about 4.4 kms to the Furutaka before I could penetrate it consistently (In both cases at these ranges every salvo yielded 2xPenetrations). I know from Ingame experience that I am able to penetrate an Omaha out to 7kms with the Nicholas. As for the different amount of shots to sink - The ships had various damage from my failed attempts.

 

My MAIN point is that I don't seem to be able to score the same penetrating hits with my Fuso as I do with my Kongo, leading to me feeling less confident brawling with the Fuso than I do with the Kongo - and that just don't make sense. The Kongo have 100mm less armour than the fuso (2/3)  and 2/3 of the firepower. The only place the Kongo is on par, and therefore relatively better, is on secondaries and AA.

 

Citadeling a ship in BB is heavily RNG related.But Fuso is more capable in citadeling a cruiser than New-Mexico, she has more turrets.

 

The thing with Fuso is, that she does not seem to be consistent. There are battles where you can hit enemy 50-60 times and only do less than 50k of damage, I have hit Furutaka 23.times with-out citateling it, my record in Fuso is 32 hits on Cleveland - she survived. Some other battles it is just excellent, with plenty of citadel hits.

 

Weirdest battle I have ever had in Fuso was 7.citadel hits on 4 salvos, only fired 7 salvos in duration of battle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[valhalex]

Oh, another post talking about fuso.

 

I said it on two posts. Fuso is hardly nerfed.

 

I have 50k average damage per battle wit her, but since Last patch is impossible to do anything.

 

As I said, 280 shots and only 60 impacts. No critics, no fires, no fu***** citadels...

[Uberjava]

Since the last patch my Nagato fails to make a dent. Rounds are just bouncing off cruisers and citadels are extremely unusual. 

 

 

[PzAbteilung]

how to pen a new mexico or colorado with fuso at different distances? i have much troubles fighting them

 

Aim to the deck if you are further than 14 km?

where to aim in 9-11 km distances?

[lup3s]

 

Not really no.

They're more accurate and have better penetration.

 

> they're more accurate

 

no; imo Fuso's guns are the most inaccurate I've met so far

[ollonborre]

 

> they're more accurate

 

no; imo Fuso's guns are the most inaccurate I've met so far

With the accuracy module it is not too bad, and with the large amount of shells you can fire per volley and the above average reload the damage can still stack up pretty quickly. My hitratio is 26% in the Fuso, but thanks to the RoF, range and 12 shells it will still perform very nicely.