CRUISERS IS TOO "TEAM DEPENDENT"

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

can't win if you play cruisers without a division, you're going to have some 20k/30k average DMG dealer on a T8/T9/T10 battleship who can't hit anything

 

with a battleship or destroyer, you can dictate the match's outcome and win without relying on your team but with cruisers, you're screwed since they're a floating citadel.

 

here are my mogami solo stats

http://i.imgur.com/NRO7k6H.jpg

 

here are my nagato solo stats

http://i.imgur.com/WHz0kEQ.jpg

 

see the difference?

 

i would post a screenshot of my 9 last mogami matches which is a losing streak for me but i can't since its "name shaming" or whatever the [edited]that's supposed to mean.

[OVanBruce]

No, you simply lack what it takes to play cruisers solo.

[_x_Acheron_x_]

battleship in doing more damage than plastic cruiser shocker.

 

[Avallarion]

It really depends on the MM you get. If there are many DDs and/or CVs a solo BB is dead meat. On the other hand if there are many BBs a lone CC will go boom incredibly fast.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

 i play with a friend in division who plays mainly battleships in the same tier as i do and we somehow win close to 65-70% of our matches, so if there is something i lack in solo queue, it's probably a decent battleship player who is able to hit something'

 

how i'm the one "lacking" this is stupid, but whatever floats your boat heh

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

No, you simply lack what it takes to play cruisers solo.

 

Good "solo-playing" works better when knowing how to teamwork. ;)

 

 

[Tubit101]

I feel like you're making so many sweeping statements, your point is lost.

[Mayv]

Dictate a game in a DD 

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

I feel like you're making so many sweeping statements, your point is lost.

 

 

Dictate a game in a DD 

don't be a suicidal player and cap when you see they left their base? #wow #skill #hard

[Nefczi]

No, you simply lack what it takes to play cruisers solo.

 

Putting his personal skill aside, he is kinda right. At higher tiers BBs are much more impactfull/have much higher influence on battle outcome. You can carry a game in a battleship with good play, Its much, much harder to pull off in a cruiser. How good you can do in a cruiser depends vastly on your team and situation. You can make a diference in BB much easier than in a CA. 

 

There was some russian Q&A with the devs some time ago where they even admitted that BB and CV, as capital ships, should carry games/have bigger influence on battle outcome than other classes. Such philosophy/approach, even if its accurate with real life, leads to unbalanced game, where some classes like cruisers/dds kinda become pawns.

[OVanBruce]

I never said it wasn't harder to carry a game in higher tiers with a cruiser than with a BB.

 

Also, a Zao definetly can carry a match by itself.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

nice backpedal, suddenly zao represents the other 9 cruisers underneath its line. lmfao? you said i lack something, what i "lack" is a player on a battleship who isn't dealing sub 40k damage with a tier 8/9/10 ship

 

 

[Tubit101]

 

 

 

 

Yes. That would probably be a good start if you don't know the meaning of the term "sweeping statement". Hopefully it will eventually discourage your from referring to cruisers as "floating citadels".

[Mayv]

don't be a suicidal player and cap when you see they left their base and cap it? #wow #skill #hard

 

Capping is suicidal, unless the point is completely uncontested. 

 

Both CAs and DDs need something done at high tiers.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

 

Yes. That would probably be a good start if you don't know the meaning of the term "sweeping statement". Hopefully it will eventually discourage your from referring to cruisers as "floating citadels".

 

in my first post, i stated battleship players with 20k-30k damage on average ruin it for cruisers trying to win, by looking at your stats, i can clearly see that you are the type of player i'm describing here.

you must have taken offense to it which explains why you're shitting up my thread, don't you agree?

[Tubit101]

 

in my first post, i stated battleship players with 20k-30k damage on average ruin it for cruisers trying to win, by looking at your stats, i can clearly see that you are the type of player i'm describing here.

you must have taken offense to it which explains why you're shitting up my thread, don't you agree?

 

You fail at discussing and promptly start digging around in my stats for some crap to fling. You just went from questionable to pathetic. Pointing out that your post lacks coherence is not "shitting up" your thread.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

You fail at discussing and promptly start digging around in my stats for some crap to fling. You just went from questionable to pathetic.

 

the moment you got triggered by my first post which made you shitpost in my thread is the moment you lost credibility.  do you think you have any credibility whatsoever just cause you can't understand numbers and statistics?

 

i don't think its a coincidence that your stats match with the type of player i described in my first post, no wonder you're trying so hard to shitpost

[Tubit101]

I'm not the one that triggered here. I made an observation and you went into ballistic feces mode.

[Admiral_noodle]

OP has a point regarding high tier cruiser play. I have Nee Orleans. 100% WR from mostly doing very little in order not to get squished by BBs. Occasionally but rarely needed AA cover. Not much else.

 

Not convinced Mogami has a problem though. Team up with a BB and annoy the hell out of your enemies by starting fires.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

i have zao with the concealment skill btw.. but i will keep playing mogami until its at 55% winrate and then im dumping it into the shithole where it truly belongs.

 

edit: after i made this thread, i got 3 ocean maps in a row great map for cruisers i heard

[ScouserLes]

I love my cruisers have gone up to      T8 and unlocked T9  just don't have the cash to buy it yet I have killed many a BB low and high alike don't do DD and only have a couple BB but prefare my cruisers by far

 

[Lieut_Gruber]

I agree that cruisers have a hard time atm, they receive citadelhits way too easy. Also a problem: 90% of the  cruiser captains are attacking battleships since thats the only target they can hit, and then they get nuked by their natural counters.

Meanwhile, the friendly battleships and carriers are getting sunk by planes and destroyers, who the cruiser is suposed to fight off.

 

I would support a small adjustment to the citadelsize of many cruisers.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

i love cruisers too, this wont make me stop them

 

maybe im a bit biased because mogami gets obliterated in one or two hits by a battleship but when i win more games in division than solo with cruisers.. there can only be one conclusion

[Admiral_noodle]

I honestly don't think it's the ships. It's the numbers. If the mirror MM was waved for carriers at high tiers there would be a reason for cruisers.

 

Also we need more cruisers and fewer BBs at high tiers.

[OVanBruce]

nice backpedal, suddenly zao represents the other 9 cruisers underneath its line. lmfao? you said i lack something, what i "lack" is a player on a battleship who isn't dealing sub 40k damage with a tier 8/9/10 ship

  

It's not an unusual sight from tier 1 to 6 to see a cruiser carrying the match. Things get harder on tier 7 to 9 because you progresively lose agility and you can't reliably angle your ship because 406 mm shells will cut you like as if you were butter, but it's still possible if you find the correct spot from where to attack, use your concealment, torps, speed... everything. BBs are more of a one task ship, very efficient at it, while a cruiser is a polivalent ship but mediocre at all of then: the key to succeed as a cruiser is using as much of your abilities as possible, they won't seem relevant but as they pile up you tip the balance in your team's favour, for that it's key to use your movility to be where it is neededquickly. 

 

About Zao, well, she's the pinacle of high tier cruiser play and since you are talking about that.