This is getting ridiculous

[Doughnut_Jimmy]

AP hits 29, damage =7693 at 265 per hit

HE hits 6, damage =562 at 94

On the Karlsruhe,for the love of god I know i'm not a good player but what the hell is wrong with the damage on the German cruisers.

Also as some have stated pretty much spent the match with engines and rudder knocked out.

Yup i'm crap,however I can do ok'ish damage with American,Japanese,Russian and British ships.

Whilst i'm not a mega super duper leet type I can hit with my shots its just the German Ships I jus cant seem to do ANY decent damage at all.

Yup this is a rant,had to get it off my chest.

an ps,yeh its probly me,i imagine everyone is hitting 100k plus matches in theirs,aaargh

Also the bottom ship on enemy team was a..............Karlsruhe too

[trrprrprr]

I got more citadel hits in a soviet tier 1 cruiser than all 4 tiers i played in German line. Those guns is a total joke, only capable of spamming HE for laughable amounts. Was spamming AP in my tier 3 German cruiser to all tier 1 to 3 and it doesnt do anything with very rare penetrating shot, where HE even ignoring low damage output when hitting ship, still is way better.   All i can say, they could easily start German cruiser line from tier 5 and up, as these low tiers are worse in every way compared to other nations.  Now stuck at tier 4 blind slow crap cruiser....only good thing about this ship, that it does need almost no exp to get to tier 5.

 

In german ships ive ended up doing 200-300 hits with damage ranging from 11-25k in total, if you spam AP- then its even lower.

[Vulgarny]

Testimony to german cruisers ===> I got 48k dmg per battle in ST Luis while 29k on Kolberg....Tiny dmg per hit + arc from Cleaveland ===recipe for crap ship

[PhroX]

I was watching a battle yesterday after dying, and the last ship on our team, a Kawachi, was up against 2 of the T3 Germans and a T2 (there was a fourth enemy - my team, myself included sucked that game - but he never got in range). With all three of them spamming HE at her, it still took about 4 minutes to take the Kawachi down. The damage from the cruisers was utterly anemic, and they weren't even able get more than one fire burning at a time.

[trrprrprr]

Only thing thats great to see 15 vs 15 german ships is 500 shells in air every second of the battle....when all noobies get in the middle and club closest ship....thats prolly it i like. But then again now all play germans and soviets so even at peak times you get 7vs7 games on high tiers.

 

Anyways i dont get it whos testing these ships, prolly not so bright minds as it always takes a year or two to fix-balance it afterwards.....

[Crysantos]

Testimony to german cruisers ===> I got 48k dmg per battle in ST Luis while 29k on Kolberg....Tiny dmg per hit + arc from Cleaveland ===recipe for crap ship

 

same here, done with the ships for now - just too frustrating.

[Kirasa]

I was watching a battle yesterday after dying, and the last ship on our team, a Kawachi, was up against 2 of the T3 Germans and a T2 (there was a fourth enemy - my team, myself included sucked that game - but he never got in range). With all three of them spamming HE at her, it still took about 4 minutes to take the Kawachi down. The damage from the cruisers was utterly anemic, and they weren't even able get more than one fire burning at a time.

 

So, why didn't they swith to AP if HE didn't do the job? That's a fail on the players part...

[Blue_Bug]

 

Anyways i dont get it whos testing these ships, prolly not so bright minds as it always takes a year or two to fix-balance it afterwards.....

 

Testing is one thing, listening to the testers and acting on it is something  totally different.

[Robustius]

I skipped the first 4 tiers of german cruisers. But the tier 5 and 6 german cruisers are fantastic. (if evenly matched) Firing AP at fellow cruisers (at 10 km or closer) that show some side and i get 2-4 citadels a salvo mostly killing them in 16 sec. DD's stand no chance at all due fast firing rate.

 

combine ur turret movement turret captain skill 2 with the same module and ur turrets turn faster then a windmill in a storm thus enabling u to dodge move non stop while being able to keep firing nonstop.

[MATREKUS]

 

So, why didn't they swith to AP if HE didn't do the job? That's a fail on the players part...

 

Because AP is a lottery (specially at greater distances), sometimes its 0% or sometimes 100% of damage capacity of one shell. WIth HE is more constant.

[Vanhal]

 

Because AP is a lottery (specially at greater distances), sometimes its 0% or sometimes 100% of damage capacity of one shell. WIth HE is more constant.

 

Actually Kolberg AP can make more damage against tier 3 BB's than HE.

And i've got some citadels on Hermelin and Dresden. Not even one on Kolberg though.

[alalos]

instead to ask what you could change to get better.. a QQ thread.. well whatever.

 

 

 

[Aldramelech]

Only thing thats great to see 15 vs 15 german ships is 500 shells in air every second of the battle....when all noobies get in the middle and club closest ship....thats prolly it i like. But then again now all play germans and soviets so even at peak times you get 7vs7 games on high tiers.

 

Anyways i dont get it whos testing these ships, prolly not so bright minds as it always takes a year or two to fix-balance it afterwards.....

 

Testers are given ships to test for the purpose of looking for bugs and graphical errors, WG are not interested to their opinions in whether the ship plays well or is balanced or not. That's something WG likes to do with statistics and that obviously takes some time to gather data. Not saying I agree with this approach, just pointing out that blaming Supertesters is a waste of time.

[trrprrprr]

Kirasa, on 20 October 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

 

So, why didn't they swith to AP if HE didn't do the job? That's a fail on the players part...

These german cruisers cant pen properly same and lower tier german cruisers and you want to pen a BB with that joke of AP? lol

 

Aldramelech, on 20 October 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

Testers are given ships to test for the purpose of looking for bugs and graphical errors, WG are not interested to their opinions in whether the ship plays well or is balanced or not. That's something WG likes to do with statistics and that obviously takes some time to gather data. Not saying I agree with this approach, just pointing out that blaming Supertesters is a waste of time.

 

Ok then sorry about my previous post about testers. As i tought they are there for that job plus what you wrote....  But still doesnt change the thing, still one not so great "man" release a buggy and rushed line.
 

[Blixies]

The moral of the story: Shoot AP exlusively at anything but DDs!

 

[kennydbt]

The T1 new ships are well out of whak

The German T1 if you can drop a shell on to the desk will almost ways give a citadel hit. I got 8 in one game?

 

and we had a mini update.

 

Now the Orlan turrets blow up at the drop of a hat, one hit there gone I must of played 3 game today when I lost both turrets in short order.

 

Come this is crape and needs to be fixed both of them

[MrConway]

If you guys have feedback about the new ships, please drop by the feedback section and leave it there.

[Vulgarny]

Why? We much more like to spam and whine on general discussion forum to keep moderators on their toes

 

[Boevebeest]

I played a bit with the Germans yesterday.

 

My thoughts on them.

First lets make clear I only played low tier,no idea if they get better.

 

They lack range, AP is no option EVER! zero AA and they have no armor.

I have trouble to find a role for them.

Support is hard due to the range. Brawling is futile because even HE penetrates you, lack of AA means supporting CV or BB is a waste.

 

Against less experienced players Germans can really do a lot with their HE spam.

More experienced players can easily avoid German ships or kill them in two salvo's.

 

 

Hope they get a bit better down the line.

[MarcusFuriusCamillus]

Yeah AP is terrible on the lower tier german cruisers.. Which is a shame.

[Fi_8_8_8_8]

 

So, why didn't they swith to AP if HE didn't do the job? That's a fail on the players part...

 

Loooool.

So why didn't the T3 and T2 cruisers switch to AP when shooting a Kawachi..aka BB or battlecruiser ...with their 105mm guns.

 

Are you for real? 

[Admiral_noodle]

Yeah AP is terrible on the lower tier german cruisers.. Which is a shame.

 

So we did a test. Friend took Kolberg I took Aurora. Fired HE. I did 32k damage from 70 hits. He did 37k from I think 140... We got the same fires too I think. 

 

Kolberg is actually ok. It's not the St. Louis but it's as good as the aurora. Conclusive proof from one game of course

 

at tier V shoot AP. IV... Eh whatever

[Dreadnought1985]

I found the Dresden and Kolberg decent ships Especialy Close Range  - Rapid fire guns + He  = Dead Reds

Karlshurle was abit Meeeeeeeh for me bit of a let down, Lacking Number of guns IMO

Konig and Nuren alot better, Decent ranged guns , Nuren turrets traverse  seemed a lot faster than konigs

 

Germans deff less frustrating than the Russian DD line at lower tiers

 

 

 

 

[Kirasa]

 

Loooool.

So why didn't the T3 and T2 cruisers switch to AP when shooting a Kawachi..aka BB or battlecruiser ...with their 105mm guns.

 

Are you for real? 

Yeah, Kawachi, with it's glorious full 31mm of Deck Armor...

 

You maybe won't do full AP damage, but it's still better than tickling it with HE.

[Drycon]

This game is getting worse every day ...

 

With all the kitten killers around indeed.

 

I liked the Konigsberg testship but since the whole forum is crying about the new ships I have not tested them yet.

Got plenty of others to drive.