Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #76 Posted October 24, 2015 I think it's easy to feel like tier 1-3 ships are rubbish when you've played the game for a while and are used to how higher tiers play which I think makes people respond to the new lines with more negativity than called for, but I also do think that both the new lines are a bit lacking compared to the "old" ones at low tiers, at least I have a hard time making them work as well. Or it's just that they need to be played so vastly different. I vote on "they need to be played vastly diffrent" and "old low tiers are a bit powerfull". You cant expect a balanced line to have ships like umikaze. And SN low tier line isnt sucking compared to USN line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #77 Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) see thats the problem. Those winrates arent going to go down for a while. Because tier 2 one has 51% (20k owners) tier 3 one has 51% (7k owners) tier 4 one has 50.5% (1.5k owners) tier 5 one has 54% (560 owners) Also i dont think kiev will lose much win rate or anything because kiev has more average damage(31k) and more winrate(58%) than tashkent(29k 50.5%). So it is kind of obvious that kiev is a bit more powerfull than tashkent at a tier comparison. You would think tashkent would have better stats since people who own tashkent also owned kiev more or less. Edit: Just want to point out the only 50%+ winrate IJNDDs are umikaze and minekaze which umikaze is confirmed to be borderless OP Yeah, in paper Kiev is pretty good, It gets more guns in T7. It just might be best tier to tier ship in that line. Tier 5 is also not bad(First one with 130mm guns), just like the numbers show.(I also have 57% wins in T5). that said it is not even nearly as good as Gremy Edited October 25, 2015 by Kenliero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #78 Posted October 25, 2015 Kiev is best ship in this line. Got same 6 guns like tier 8 and 9. Got better fire chance then t10 and we need to remember that t10 got base chance to set on fire lower. Got more forgiving opponents. Its just this combination making it the best ship in line. The same like t5 german cruiser is the best ship in that line. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STEG] Zerra_Channel Players 82 posts Report post #79 Posted October 26, 2015 To do a good job in a tier 5 Gnevny, YOU cant go in a tier 7 game.. NO F.. chans but if you are in top tier.. you have a chanse... this is the best i could do in this DD.. But REMEMBER in a JPN DD ( ISOKAZE ) i did near 165 000 DMG in one game !!!!!! YOU can never in One million years make this dmg.. in a Russian DD at tier 4 or 5.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #80 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) But REMEMBER in a JPN DD ( ISOKAZE ) i did near 165 000 DMG in one game !!!!!! YOU can never in One million years make this dmg.. in a Russian DD at tier 4 or 5.. YOU can never in One million years make this dmg.. in a Russian DD at tier 4 or 5.. sometimes 1 million years pass in 1 day ... Or maybe its just an IJN dd with a russian cammo ?.... Edited October 27, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #81 Posted October 27, 2015 YOU can never in One million years make this dmg.. in a Russian DD at tier 4 or 5.. sometimes 1 million years pass in 1 day ... Or maybe its just an IJN dd with a russian cammo ?.... So.... how much damage did you do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #82 Posted October 27, 2015 Patch 5.1 can and will rekt SNDD hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #83 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) So.... how much damage did you do? a bit more then 223k, I think.... Cost me a bit until I learn 2 drive her, but after.... One of the key elements of this ship its the level 4 cpt skill, of guns range. That and the guns acc + rudder speed upgrade almost double my % of kills. Hell, I have a (nice) game where I meet "the perfect victim" a lonely NM - and I just sail between 9 / 11 km, parallel with him, but dodging all time: I manage over 200 hits (HE spam most of) and I almost killed him (take him 90% of full health) if a friendly Nagato do not show - up last moment and one-shot kill him. The most rewarding moment was when NMexico cpt ask-me if I use an aimbot, (at that dist with those upgrades you simply cant miss such a big target like NM - dispersion its under 100m - some 97 m ) but the N M cpt should ask himself why he never manage to land a single shell on me.... The HUGE hit-point reserve helps you a lot, also, I think , those 15.900 HP are a guarantee you can survive a duel. So, I suppose anyone who dedicate himself to this lovely boat will do better and better each time. Edited October 27, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #84 Posted October 27, 2015 Im looking at PT 5.1 patchnotes on RU and see that t4 perk wont work anymore for SSDD. So get rekt gunboats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #85 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) a bit more then 223k, I think.... Cost me a bit until I learn 2 drive her, but after.... One of the key elements of this ship its the level 4 cpt skill, of guns range. That and the guns acc + rudder speed upgrade almost double my % of kills. Hell, I have a (nice) game where I meet "the perfect victim" a lonely NM - and I just sail between 9 / 11 km, parallel with him, but dodging all time: I manage over 200 hits (HE spam most of) and I almost killed him (take him 90% of full health) if a friendly Nagato do not show - up last moment and one-shot kill him. The most rewarding moment was when NMexico cpt ask-me if I use an aimbot, (at that dist with those upgrades you simply cant miss such a big target like NM - dispersion its under 100m - some 97 m ) but the N M cpt should ask himself why he never manage to land a single shell on me.... The HUGE hit-point reserve helps you a lot, also, I think , those 15.900 HP are a guarantee you can survive a duel. So, I suppose anyone who dedicate himself to this lovely boat will do better and better each time. Maximum damage that you have ever done with Gnevny, is 78861, so yeah... BS revealed right there... The XP and credits indicate that it was the game you just showed us. around 78k game would give those numbers in the screenshot... and maximum damage you have ever done in Ognevoi, is 58483... so... oh and please don't start about how you did it in ranked battles... there your maximum damage with Ognevoi is 27042... OMG NERF IT!!! Edited October 27, 2015 by Kenliero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44smok Players 4,367 posts 16,858 battles Report post #86 Posted October 27, 2015 Im looking at PT 5.1 patchnotes on RU and see that t4 perk wont work anymore for SSDD. So get rekt gunboats What is the source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morti271 Beta Tester 255 posts 4,034 battles Report post #87 Posted October 28, 2015 I sure do get lucky often You should play CA. They do the job much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] ShockPirat Beta Tester 814 posts 27,483 battles Report post #88 Posted October 28, 2015 CA also get citadeled. I'll stick to destroyers, thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #89 Posted October 28, 2015 What is the source? Im looking at PT 5.1 patchnotes on RU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #90 Posted October 28, 2015 They don't suck at all. You just have to know how to use them. Fantastic range, powerful guns and speed. In those DDs you can win artillery duel with a cruiser and score citadel hits like a boss. I'm currently having lots of fun with Gnevny and simply can't wait for Kiev. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MATREKUS Players 377 posts 4,311 battles Report post #91 Posted October 29, 2015 Yeah Im with Gnevny and I love it. RU DDs are the most challenging ships in the game. I heard Ognevoy is bad compared to Gnevny so Im too waiting to get to Kiev. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #92 Posted October 29, 2015 I've had to battle once in the new beta test with the Izyaslav and indeed her speed has been set to 35 knots. She now can survive a little longer. Kiev is worth the grind, altough her 10 torps have a bit of a wide spread and must be launched from really, really close to be effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #93 Posted October 29, 2015 I've had to battle once in the new beta test with the Izyaslav and indeed her speed has been set to 35 knots. She now can survive a little longer. Kiev is worth the grind, altough her 10 torps have a bit of a wide spread and must be launched from really, really close to be effective. Kiev its great, and once you get under 3-4 km, are no escape for the torpedo target : even if I researched the upgraded torps, I still use the stock ones, since that difference on speed can mean a kill or a miss. I found her great for killing ships who are turning & running away of you , I manage to put at least 2 - 3 torps always on the running ship (small target and usually hard to hit the stern ) . This, combined with her great speed (almost 47 kn without flag) make her a really nice dd killer. Funny thing how one can outrun the air torps , tough ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #94 Posted October 30, 2015 YOU can never in One million years make this dmg.. in a Russian DD at tier 4 or 5.. sometimes 1 million years pass in 1 day ... Or maybe its just an IJN dd with a russian cammo ?.... I was a bit surprised to see this, you should have known you would be called out since the damage possibly done on your screenshots don't match your claims. Now I'm sure you done the damage and wasn't lying, but those are probably from games which you can't show any screenshots/footage off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ragoutrabbit Players 274 posts 1,835 battles Report post #95 Posted October 30, 2015 Those screens probably include premium and daily double XP which would fit with his 78k damage max. I had a 97k damage game in the Grevny yeasterday which came to 157k credits and 1550xp base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selous Players 59 posts 9,967 battles Report post #96 Posted October 31, 2015 My experience so far of russian ships is that they are diabolically crap , I hear the commissars have to issue breathing masks in case the crew sneezes and damages the ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #97 Posted November 1, 2015 Sorry, my screenshots are for credits not for damages, my mistake. Apologizes . PS - I still love Kiev ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #98 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Ognievoj can be real pain in the rear end. Edited November 2, 2015 by KaraMon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KR_] woodyudet_17 Beta Tester 124 posts 16,911 battles Report post #99 Posted November 2, 2015 been having some joy with Gnevny... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #100 Posted November 2, 2015 been having some joy with Gnevny... Got a replay, I am curious Nice game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
