Soviet destroyers suck!

[woodyudet_17]

 

I really like them ... can be frustrating at times, but when they work well...

 

 

 

[Kenliero]

 

I really like them ... can be frustrating at times, but when they work well...

 

 

 

 

No they don't. Not even in your screenshot. You did most damage with torpedoes. Your gun damage with fires and stuff was around 35k, which is not much for a good game. Also, it is EASIER to make damage in tiers 2-4, than higher tiers, because in low tiers, your torpedoes actually work in some way.

[woodyudet_17]

 

No they don't. Not even in your screenshot. You did most damage with torpedoes. Your gun damage with fires and stuff was around 35k, which is not much for a good game. Also, it is EASIER to make damage in tiers 2-4, than higher tiers, because in low tiers, your torpedoes actually work in some way.

 

I wasn't commenting on higher tiers as my post is in relation to a tier 3. I just think the general statement that 'soviet destroyers' suck is pretty moronic. Some of the ships are better or worse but I'd suggest that as far as tier 3 destroyers go, derpski is no less effective than its peers - in fact I prefer it to Wakatake or Wickes.

[Kenliero]

 

I wasn't commenting on higher tiers as my post is in relation to a tier 3. I just think the general statement that 'soviet destroyers' suck is pretty moronic. Some of the ships are better or worse but I'd suggest that as far as tier 3 destroyers go, derpski is no less effective than its peers - in fact I prefer it to Wakatake or Wickes.

 

Yeah, I agree, all the way to tier 4 they are not bad at all. Tier 4 is weird kind of.... it's superslow, but damage is still okay for it's tier. Tier 5 is playable, sort of "nerfed Murmansk"... but after that, damage don't get better at all, and I suspectthey are horrible in high tiers

[OopsIPennedYouAgain]

 

Yeah, I agree, all the way to tier 4 they are not bad at all. Tier 4 is weird kind of.... it's superslow, but damage is still okay for it's tier. Tier 5 is playable, sort of "nerfed Murmansk"... but after that, damage don't get better at all, and I suspectthey are horrible in high tiers

Well I'm averaging nearly 50k in my Kiev now and it is really hard work. Even with the 5rh skill you'll have a Hard Time against decent or even good opponents.

 

first target should be other DDs to make sure they dont permaspot you (due to bad detection range (Tier 7 and 8) )

and dish out aus much dmg aus you can. 

Their playstyle needs good map awareness in order to be successful and help your team

 

 

Sure you can have some great games but they always come in hand with hard work.

The tier 9 is probably the best ship of the entire line

[Kenliero]

 

Sure you can have some great games but they always come in hand with hard work.

The tier 9 is probably the best ship of the entire line

The good thing in Kiev, is that it gets 2 more guns, but doesn't tier 7 and 9 have same amount of guns, same RoF and same alpha damage?, so in paper Kiev should be much better, having same dps 2 tiers lower?

[jarskog]

 

Yeah, I agree, all the way to tier 4 they are not bad at all. Tier 4 is weird kind of.... it's superslow, but damage is still okay for it's tier. Tier 5 is playable, sort of "nerfed Murmansk"... but after that, damage don't get better at all, and I suspectthey are horrible in high tiers

 

From Tashkent and up I find the RU DD very enjoyable. Especially Udaloy I really like. Very good ship that provides a fun experience.

[OopsIPennedYouAgain]

The good thing in Kiev, is that it gets 2 more guns, but doesn't tier 7 and 9 have same amount of guns, same RoF and same alpha damage?, so in paper Kiev should be much better, having same dps 2 tiers lower?

Yep they get the Same gun layout but the Tier IX has a better concealment and you can push it 10% more due to the module. You can even enhance the range by using the 16% module to have a nice area to shoot invisible thats why it is probably the best. 

 

Forgot to mention that you can launch your torps stealth if you dont shoot before

[ShockPirat]

 

I really like them ... can be frustrating at times, but when they work well...

 

 

 

 

Great results mate. If you got replays enabled, you might want to send that replay to IChase. Perhaps you will win some gold   

[Kenliero]

Yep they get the Same gun layout but the Tier IX has a better concealment and you can push it 10% more due to the module. You can even enhance the range by using the 16% module to have a nice area to shoot invisible thats why it is probably the best. 

 

Forgot to mention that you can launch your torps stealth if you dont shoot before

Does tier 9 still get +16% module? I thought it was removed?

[Celebrimbobby]

Only tried the T7 one, but it seems more effective at dealing damage than any other T1-7 DD in the game by a decent margin, and that while you'll be doing a lot of that damage to other DDs and cruisers, compared to the IJN ones. Still they are no BBs or CVs, and I don't know about the T8-T10 ones either, although the T10 one seems really good too. Certainly, starting to play the game again after a long pause, getting the Kiev has been a lot of fun, and certainly not a bad ship, while also being a really unique mix of cruiser and DD, that works extremely well at 10-12 km, while dealing good damage, keeping enemy DDs away from your BBs and attracting lots of enemy fire (and dodging it at 40 knots). At least at T7+, you have such great speed, that you don't need to be stealthy, in fact it's often an advantage to the team being spotted, as long as you are not too lazy to dodge. You can basically do more damage than USN and IJN DDs and "tank" at the same time.

Thinking that they are supposed to play like other DDs is in my opinion very wrong. Instead, focus skills, camo and equipment into dps of main guns (especially Demolition Expert), durability and speed and don't waste anything on stealth.

[Kenliero]

Yeah, you might be right Cele. Kiev gets 2 more guns, which gives it better firepower... and focusing in stealth just doesn't work with those ships, so better focus on maximizing fire... Demo Expert is the one I would choose as well and completely ignore the stealth thing. Very good point there.

[Ulumbulum_PE_EL]

All stats you have here guys.This line is damn joke.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LDv26-7ZqUyhgFGcs7e6QkI4bcDrQtuzL2EULhNDDZs/edit?pli=1#gid=1232145961

[Celebrimbobby]

Joke how? You are not being very specific...

[Ragoutrabbit]

Some of the worst ships I've used.

 

The damage output is beyond pathetic and more often than not spread between so many ships making that damage meaningless.

 

They're also sluggish for a DD meaning they're fairly easy to hit even at long range.

 

I fail to see what those DD are for with crap damage, awful torp and awful at brawling due to turret rotation they no threat to BB and generally outclassed by other DD at close range.

[Userext]

Some of the worst ships I've used.

 

The damage output is beyond pathetic and more often than not spread between so many ships making that damage meaningless.

 

They're also sluggish for a DD meaning they're fairly easy to hit even at long range.

 

I fail to see what those DD are for with crap damage, awful torp and awful at brawling due to turret rotation they no threat to BB and genrally outclassed by other DD at close range.

 

As i said in another thread people are whining people are admiring non of these matters. According to stats they are doing great. 

[Ragoutrabbit]

 

As i said in another thread people are whining people are admiring non of these matters. According to stats they are doing great. 

 

Acording to your stats they're doing significantly worse than the Japanese DD and slightly worse than the underperforming US DD branch.

[Userext]

 

Acording to your stats they're doing significantly worse than the Japanese DD and slightly worse than the underperforming US DD branch.

 

no actually they are doing in between teh USDDs and IJNDDs average damage wise and better than both at winrate wise. Oh we shouldnt forget that their average exp isnt bad except tier9(no idea why) 

 

For example tier 6 SNDD has better winrate, average damage, average exp than both nations

For example tier 7 SNDD has better winrate, average damage, average exp than both nations

 

Of course the stats i have are for 17-24 of october so next week(24-31) it will be more clear if they are good or bad

 

BTW i love the way you say "underperforming USNDD branch" while USNDDs are doing better in average winrate and same at average exp

[Ragoutrabbit]

Win rate means next to nothing especially not this early in the lines life, I expect those numbers to drop quite sharply as the better players move up the tree and the average joe moves up after them, which points to the Russian line been by far the worst.

 

And other than a couple of the mid tier ships the US have better damage.

[Userext]

Win rate means next to nothing especially not this early in the lines life, I expect those numbers to drop quite sharply as the better players move up the tree and the average joe moves up after them, which points to the Russian line been by far the worst.

 

These words are empty so stop saying stuff like this. It is not diffrent from people before this update saying SNDDs are going to be OP

 

And other than a couple of the mid tier ships the US have better damage.

 

On which world exactly?

At tier 10 and 9 USNDDs and SNDDs have same average damage

Between tier9 and tier4 SNDDs have more average damage (especially kiev with 31k average damage vs hats23k and mahan19k)

Tier2-3-4 have under 1000 damage diffrence

 

Next week it will be more clear. I expect the 2-3-4 tiers to be having worse stats and rest of the line to be having better stats next week. SNDDs dont suck matey. As developers said before they dont want people to be able to play all classes

 

Since you play %60 cruisers and only %4.89(ignoring gremmy) of your 470 battles its not a suprise that you fail to play.

Oh another thing is that you only have

tier 2 SNDD 8 battles

tier 3 IJNDD 8 battles

tier 2 IJNDD 5 battles

tier 2 USNDD 2 battles

 

i doubt you can make a clear review.

[Ragoutrabbit]

So now you lose an argument you resort to personal attacks pathetic.

[Userext]

So now you lose an argument you resort to personal attacks pathetic.

 

-i didnt lose an arguement

-i didnt get on to personal attacks

 

You cant say fishing is hard if you didnt even step on a fishing boat. That is not personal attack. You cant say yamato sucks when you dont even have kawachi. I dont care if it hurts your feelings when i say that "you didnt even touch the ball once in your life how can you judge football players?". Truth isnt personal attack. 

 

Developers designed this game in a way that not everyone can play a class succesfully. They said this phrase many times during their streams and Q&As. So you as a cruiser player with nearly no proper DD battles shouldnt be able to play DDs succesfully. And yet you are as good as an average minekaze captain in your gnevny. What does that tell you?

[Kenliero]

 

no actually they are doing in between teh USDDs and IJNDDs average damage wise and better than both at winrate wise. Oh we shouldnt forget that their average exp isnt bad except tier9(no idea why) 

 

For example tier 6 SNDD has better winrate, average damage, average exp than both nations

For example tier 7 SNDD has better winrate, average damage, average exp than both nations

 

Of course the stats i have are for 17-24 of october so next week(24-31) it will be more clear if they are good or bad

 

BTW i love the way you say "underperforming USNDD branch" while USNDDs are doing better in average winrate and same at average exp

 

The reason Soviets have good winrate in tier 6/7, is because only Experienced players have Free XP's ships there, while casual ones are not even near there yet. Those winrates will sink down when casuals get there.

[Userext]

 

The reason Soviets have good winrate in tier 6/7, is because only Experienced players have Free XP's ships there, while casual ones are not even near there yet. Those winrates will sink down when casuals get there.

 

see thats the problem. Those winrates arent going to go down for a while.

Because

tier 2 one has 51% (20k owners)

tier 3 one has 51% (7k owners)

tier 4 one has 50.5% (1.5k owners)

tier 5 one has 54% (560 owners)

 

Also i dont think kiev will lose much win rate or anything because kiev has more average damage(31k) and more winrate(58%) than tashkent(29k 50.5%). So it is kind of obvious that kiev is a bit more powerfull than tashkent at a tier comparison. You would think tashkent would have better stats since people who own tashkent also owned kiev more or less.

 

Edit: Just want to point out the only 50%+ winrate IJNDDs are umikaze and minekaze which umikaze is confirmed to be borderless OP

 

 

[TheJezna]

My opinion on them so far is that the first two tiers, t2-t3 was pretty darn difficult to get anything done in them. Guns to weak and ships to sluggish to do efficient gunnery and the 3 km torps are very situational, however extremely powerful when you get in position to use them, have had a couple of extremely tense situations. The slow turret traverse which gimps them somewhat in close combat situations are often offset by having lots of quick reloading torps available. Tier 4 is a massive improvement, getting 5 guns in stead of the earlier 3 makes gunnery much more viable and finally you can get 5 km torps. Never thought 5 km torp range would feel massive before, but it did once I got those, the difference is massive. Still think I would prefer both the Clemson or Isokaze though, but it's getting there. Thats how far I've gotten, look forward to tier 5, which seems like a big step in the right direction.

 

I think it's easy to feel like tier 1-3 ships are rubbish when you've played the game for a while and are used to how higher tiers play which I think makes people respond to the new lines with more negativity than called for, but I also do think that both the new lines are a bit lacking compared to the "old" ones at low tiers, at least I have a hard time making them work as well. Or it's just that they need to be played so vastly different.