Anyone ever managed to citadel a DD?

[Andreevson]

Just curious, since they should have some citadels too...

[Shepbur]

They don't as far as I'm aware, however criticals caused are normally magazine explosions

[cherry2blost]

Just curious, since they should have some citadels too...

 

Yes and no....

 

Let me explain.... DD do not have a citadel as such, they have a magazine .... Only time you are ever going to get a big boom on a DD is magazine hit....

 

HE will do it but RNG is king on that one and is best on side profile... AP will do it, rarely, and is best used head on, ie shooting down the length of the DD...

 

Hope it helps

[Blue_Bug]

They don't have citadels. However you can detonate them, this happens very regulary.

[KptStrzyga]

 

Yes and no....

 

Let me explain.... DD do not have a citadel as such, they have a magazine .... Only time you are ever going to get a big boom on a DD is magazine hit....

 

HE will do it but RNG is king on that one and is best on side profile... AP will do it, rarely, and is best used head on, ie shooting down the length of the DD...

 

Hope it helps

There is another way of getting big boom on DD but with torpedo: if you hit DD with torp exactly in the middle it`ll result in 50% damage bonus, which effectivly means that even tier 5 carriers torpedo can sink full health tier 10 DD.

[Exocet6951]

Just curious, since they should have some citadels too...

 

They had citadels back in closed beta, but since everyone was using AP back then, before the armor model changes, DDs were one shot killed almost every time they were hit. Almost every shell hitting midship caused a citadel penetration, and since when you hit , you usually hit with more than one shell...

[havaduck]

There is another way of getting big boom on DD but with torpedo: if you hit DD with torp exactly in the middle it`ll result in 50% damage bonus, which effectivly means that even tier 5 carriers torpedo can sink full health tier 10 DD.

 

 

Didnt a patch change that?

 

To my knowledge thats in the past and the middle of a DD is now 90% of full dmg.

[KptStrzyga]

 

 

Didnt a patch change that?

 

To my knowledge thats in the past and the middle of a DD is now 90% of full dmg.

 

I didn`t know that. 

[Ishiro32]

 

I didn`t know that. 

 

They have changed that. Right now you need at least 2 CV torps to sink DD.

One shooting DDs was a bit too OP then. 

[philjd]

Hmm, let me go into a deep philosophical thought process - citadel, armoured haven, lots of protection surrounding vulnerable parts. Destroyer + armour = small cruiser, this implies that Destroyer = no armour, no armour = no citadel. No citadel means no citadel hits.

 

Original question = confused player.

 

Please take as intended, not knocking, hopefully educating.

[havaduck]

Dont bring reallity into this.

And its not vulnerable parts its valuable parts. Lots and lots of stuff even on a battleship is vulnerable but only the most important stuff is excelently or at least at all protected.

 

 

 

DDs have no citadell bc balancing. Thats the game related answer.

 

The T 10 russion destroyer, for example, DOES have a lot of armor (relativly), so by that logic he does need to have a citadell because he is more heavily armored than some of the early cruisers that do have citadells hitboxes.

[daki]

One could say that the entire DD is basically a citadel

 

[gbgroger]

One of my first memories of this game is a dear one, this must have been jan-februar:

 

Me in a kawachi, feeling like a king among cruisers. Far away a dd charges me, his silhouette is very small and I get 2 broadsides off before my ultimate demise.

As I watch in horror, all shells weer of like a maniac. Except one, haha, that one weers right into him (like an angry wasp!) and must have split him in 2...I had AP loaded. BOOM, full health dd gone

 

Never been able to that since, but now HE makes the detonations - as 1/6 of the calibre of HE will penetrate a weak armour and therefore make detonations I guess. Nowadays its mostly surgical strikes of 2-4 volleys of HE or the occasional full salvo of mexico/fuso which will wreck any dd.

[philjd]

The T 10 russion destroyer, for example, DOES have a lot of armor (relativly), so by that logic he does need to have a citadell because he is more heavily armored than some of the early cruisers that do have citadells hitboxes.

 

Do you have a source for it having armour?

[Nekomancer]

I managed to citadel a DD today. Have a screenshot and a replay.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/q16hfdfdf4v4d18/20151014_122325_PJSC004-Yubari-1944_10_NE_big_race.wowsreplay

[Elgerino]

I did it a lot in CBT, though I believe that was down to some strange bug that practically guaranteed citadel hits if you hit the waterline on a DD at any spot? Later corrected if memory serves. Since then, nil pwa. Though I've heard it's possible, maybe some DD's have a citadel in some form or another.

[Nekomancer]

It was possible in CBT as overpenetration wasn't properly implemented back then. Now it doesn't work with AP anymore as it goes through the ship without the explosives embedded in the AP shell going off.

[havaduck]

 

Do you have a source for it having armour?

 

 

I saw the armor schematics somewhere and there is a belt and some armor on the turret faces worth mentioning because they are able to mitigate and reduce damage from HE shells, exspecialle from other destroyer guns. 

 

...... but I dont know where to look now.

 

You could try that gamemodels thingy if you got access (I dont), but for now I can only refer to the ingame stats (I know imprecise crap) which says 50 mm max which is nearly double the tin foil the other DDs are made of.

[philjd]

 

 

I saw the armor schematics somewhere and there is a belt and some armor on the turret faces worth mentioning because they are able to mitigate and reduce damage from HE shells, exspecialle from other destroyer guns. 

 

...... but I dont know where to look now.

 

You could try that gamemodels thingy if you got access (I dont), but for now I can only refer to the ingame stats (I know imprecise crap) which says 50 mm max which is nearly double the tin foil the other DDs are made of.

 

Giving gun mounts some form of shielding became almost universal after Jutland - as most of the casualties on the light ships (TB, TBD, CL etc) came from splinters scything across the decks from both hits and near misses, same for searchlight platforms where remote control became the norm on larger warships for the same reason. So turret 'armour' of roughly 1/2" or so is purely a metal covering surrounding [protection needed] crew. The Russian T10 DD is spec'd on the Russian language game Wiki and gives turrets and mounts more than 1/2", but none for the hull itself (I used chrome's built in translator to read it) .

Perhaps, per the example posted above, WG have labelled as 'citadel' the space within a vessel that contains engines/magazines etc, but does not need 'armour' surrounding it.

 

IIRC the actual frame of the Iowa's, unlike most other ships, was made of armour standard steel (STS steel), so there was armour, of sorts, everywhere! (although not good for preventing AP fuses triggering!)

[StuntMan0369]

 

 

I saw the armor schematics somewhere and there is a belt and some armor on the turret faces worth mentioning because they are able to mitigate and reduce damage from HE shells, exspecialle from other destroyer guns. 

 

...... but I dont know where to look now.

 

You could try that gamemodels thingy if you got access (I dont), but for now I can only refer to the ingame stats (I know imprecise crap) which says 50 mm max which is nearly double the tin foil the other DDs are made of.

 

I do have access to gamemodels, and taking a look at it, it is relatively better armoured than most other DD's:

 

 

So yeah, it does have some spots of 50mm armour, which is nice to have. If a cruiser hits that armour section, he wont penetrate the armour with HE, neither will a DD. BB's will still pen with HE, but that's not exactly surprising. Anywhere else though, yeah, that DD is toast.

 

 

[AnuSuaraj]

That moment when you realize that your DD's citadel is way smaller than the shells flying toward it....

[Shadeshots]

I dont know about citidels one, but i have 1 shot killed 1 with HE.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I managed to citadel a DD today. Have a screenshot and a replay.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/q16hfdfdf4v4d18/20151014_122325_PJSC004-Yubari-1944_10_NE_big_race.wowsreplay

 

Sorry, but that wasn't a citadel on the Minekaze.

First hint is the fact that the citadel is below the kill ribbon. Now I took the time to watch the replay to see the reason, and you fired a shot at the Langley and if you look you can actually see the damage right at the time the Minekaze is sunk. This is hardly a surprise as a HE shell hitting the citadel area of a Langley (and most of the non-fleet CVs) will penetrate.

[BagCharge]

My Gremy got whacked a week or so ago. I was in about 2 thirds health when one single shot blew me up. IIRC it was detonation. Frightened the life out of me :-) never had detonation on that ship before...

[Takeda92]

Back in CBT all destoyers could be destroyed by 1 full falvo from any ship including other destroyers.