American WoWS CM: the right way. Also collecting-topic for server-comparison and central EU-community management highlights. See posts 113, 126, 141.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

You see, I don't really care if NA or RU got better events or contests then EU, as long as stuff on EU is interesting and fun to participate, something to look forward to. When I played WoT one year ago, I remember I checked the front page for EU every day, to see what's going on, what will be happening, what discounts or events are planned. And stuff was great every month. Some battle happened? Let's make discounts for tanks that participated in that battle, or increase income, or make some interesting material about it, or make a contest about it. And, despite peps hating WG on a daily basis in WoT for whatever reason they find, I really aplauded their way of selling and advertising their product, and could only say GJ to them. 

 

I expected nothing less from WoWs, or even more, as the game is a fresh start, without making the same mistakes. We had few fun events in CBT, but after that - only dull xp x 2 on first win stuff, with occasional 6% discount on Atago package. That's dissapointing, to say at least. 

 

The fact that PL section has a lot of competitions and events going is tribute to creativity of our CC's and a pretty bad sign for EU CM's. 

 

However, recent Test Drive event is more in line what we had in WoT, so I just hope they'll go in that direction.

[LMN118]

A bit of explanation. Polish subforums contests are mostly made by Polish community contributors. It's their's iniciative and ideas to stir the community. If you know polish - feel free to compete and participate, but otherwise, I think that every language section should have their respective CC's doing this kind of stuff. If english one doesn't - then feel free to start one, or become a contributor.

 

Right now CC's in Polish section are organising a small tournament for WoWs, hopefully, with some cooperation and sponsoring from WG and ESL. They already contacted english WG staff, but it seems they're not interested in this kind of event, which is sad. 

 

So, yeah, we got some great guys doing a lot of stuff on polish section.

 

That's kinda my gripe, it shouldn't be down to local contributors. It shouldn't be forum specific. Hell it shouldn't even be limited to forums only. The events should be coordinated so everyone in the EU server can participate, they should be advertised on the launcher and in game. 

 

At the moment it seems community contributors are making up for the lack of development in the game and the lack of any involvement by paid WG employees. As you correctly said WoT has had events for a long time, the fact that WoWs doesn't  have anything but a selection of random dull missions doesn't say a lot about this game. 

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

 

That's kinda my gripe, it shouldn't be down to local contributors. It shouldn't be forum specific. Hell it shouldn't even be limited to forums only. The events should be coordinated so everyone in the EU server can participate, they should be advertised on the launcher and in game. 

 

At the moment it seems community contributors are making up for the lack of development in the game and the lack of any involvement by paid WG employees. As you correctly said WoT has had events for a long time, the fact that WoWs doesn't  have anything but a selection of random dull missions doesn't say a lot about this game. 

Well, I'm careful in condemning WG EU staff. As far as I know, a lot of their ideas have to be accepted by their superiors. But I might be wrong, and they just don't know what to do with all the possibilities new product offers. Maybe they're incompetent, that's also a possibility. Maybe they just don't care, as long as products earn money. Don't really know. What I do know, is that at present, overall opinion about the marketing, specials, events and so on is terrible. Ranging from utter disaster to dissapointing. And it's that way since the OBT/release. 

 

I don't like pointing fingers (no pun intended), but I think they should re-think their promo strategy, because at this rate, the hype will go down, and peps will migrate to other games. And we will have another WoWp soon, which would be very disapointing for me - a naval history maniac.

[MrFingers]

I don't like pointing fingers (no pun intended), but I think they should re-think their promo strategy, because at this rate, the hype will go down, and peps will migrate to other games. And we will have another WoWp soon, which would be very disapointing for me - a naval history maniac.

I see what you did there . Anyway, many thanks for the useful contributions to this topics, it is nice to see some insight from another subforum, and that the same issues (boring contests, if any at all) are present across the board.

 

About the "hypetrain", isn't that already noticable? If you see the messages on the forums, and the people who are online & looking at stuff, you'll see that it's roughly divided into 60/40. 60% are people with a green nickname (Alpha/Weekend/Beta), and only 40% have the brownish red one... the regular, new players. That number should be way higher, to a division of 20/80 at this stage of the game. The playerbase isn't growing at all (yes, it's growing in absolute numbers, but none of them seem to stick around for a long time, so the relative number stays at a constant level, the influx of new players is the same as the going rate of veterans/older players...)... which is a bad thing!

 

Also I can see that karsun is here (welcome there buddy), and is reading/"doing stuff" for a long time here. So it gets noticed by the staff, I hope we'll get some feedback of it, and preferably: results!

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

 About the "hypetrain", isn't that already noticable. If you see the messages on the forums, and the people who are online & looking at stuff, you'll see that it's roughly divided into 60/40. 60% are people with a green nickname (Alpha/Weekend/Beta), and only 40% have the brownish red one... the regular, new players. That number should be way higher, to a division of 20/80 at this stage of the game. The playerbase isn't growing at all (yes, it's growing in absolute numbers, but none of them seem to stick around for a long time, so the relative number stays at a constant level, the influx of new players is the same as the going rate of veterans/older players...)... which is a bad thing!

We have to remember the model in which this game was released. CBT then OBT and release. There won't be so many new players as in other products with CBT - release model. So I wouldn't worry about it right now. Yesterday I played few games around 21 00 and there was around 30k active players. So the new players/server population is kinda okaish. 

 I see what you did there . Anyway, many thanks for the useful contributions to this topics, it is nice to see some insight from another subforum, and that the same issues (boring contests, if any at all) are present across the board.

Well, gotta give credit when credit is due - we had a live event in Gdynia in Poland, which was a blast. They planned a trip aboard Polish destroyer Blyskawica (which will be added to the game soon), and had many other activities. Overall great job. 

 

Now, why WG EU staff can't do events with such effort? That is the question. 

 

 

 

[MrFingers]

Now, why WG EU staff can't do events with such effort? That is the question. 

 

They did such a thing as well at the

... alas it was only for the "Community Contributers", not for the regular players. A bit of a "us knows us" trip.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

I'm sorry, my imperfect english might mistaken you. What I had in mind was - why EU WG can't put as much effort for online promotion as they did for this live event. It wasn't event during some big gaming convention or anything. Take half of such budget and make a sweet online event once or twice a month, and community would be much more satisfied. 

 

I like live events and try to participate as much as I can, but online promo is still much more important. It's sad that it's look like it's neglected.

 

We had it a bit more "for everyone", but you had to let them know you're coming so they could make a reservation as space was limited. 

 

I just want to have more incentives to play the game as we have now. 

[MrFingers]

I'm sorry, my imperfect english might mistaken you. What I had in mind was - why EU WG can't put as much effort for online promotion as they did for this live event. It wasn't event during some big gaming convention or anything.

Ah, like that. yeah, TOTALLY agree!

[Wischmob_von_Eimer]

I see what you did there . Anyway, many thanks for the useful contributions to this topics, it is nice to see some insight from another subforum, and that the same issues (boring contests, if any at all) are present across the board.

 

About the "hypetrain", isn't that already noticable? If you see the messages on the forums, and the people who are online & looking at stuff, you'll see that it's roughly divided into 60/40. 60% are people with a green nickname (Alpha/Weekend/Beta), and only 40% have the brownish red one... the regular, new players. That number should be way higher, to a division of 20/80 at this stage of the game. The playerbase isn't growing at all (yes, it's growing in absolute numbers, but none of them seem to stick around for a long time, so the relative number stays at a constant level, the influx of new players is the same as the going rate of veterans/older players...)... which is a bad thing!

 

Also I can see that karsun is here (welcome there buddy), and is reading/"doing stuff" for a long time here. So it gets noticed by the staff, I hope we'll get some feedback of it, and preferably: results!

 

The same happened in WoWP, watch the latest mingles with Jingles.

[mtm78]

 

I doubt it, from what I've heard the sale of the new Tier VIII Kanonenjagdpanzer is a total failure (5k units sold in the entire EU). They will learn fast that there are limits on what they can do with the community.

 

Well they sold like 20k Tirpitzes was the estimate gathered through first week active players with one, wouldn't call that an economical failure but that might be me?

 

As to this thread, I haven't posted in it because I don't like the OP, it sounds too melodramatic. The topic is a relevant and actual one, but some of the posts here are laughable ( or cringe worthy, take your pick ). Give Ph3lan and MrConway some more time, hope that 3rd spot get's filled soon and things should start looking better.

 

As to fundamental differences between NA and EU server, there ALWAYS been those even in WoT. It's because NA has a player base which is pampered to hell and back because it is small and WG did everything in their power to increase the popularity. Sadly, once people get accustomed to a certain level of 'generosity' they begin to expect, no demand it. But, I feel like a cheat knock off rehash straight to tv series, because all of this has already been said.

[MrFingers]

And again, Wargaming EU delivers... "delivers". October 19th: Halloween is coming, and the Germans & Ruskies are here...

On the RU Server: October 19, 10:00 (GMT) October 23, 8:30 (GMT)

Discounts and bonuses:

• 3 times the experience for the first victory of the day.
• 50% discount on the purchase of the studied Soviet destroyers II-V level.
• 50% discount on the purchase of study German cruisers II-V level.
• Discount of 30% on the free transfer of expertise (1 doubloon = 35 experience points).

On the NA Server:

- Halloween stream with prizes

- premium Kamikaze ship for sale, and a custom skin which allows for 100% extra XP gain for every battle.

- Boss Battles

Battle with and against two tricky "boss" vessels, Phantom Fortress and Salem Witch, and earn your treat! These spectral ships will be captained by Wargaming staff and representatives. These phantasms are incredibly powerful, so the teams will be balanced accordingly. Earning the reward is not contingent upon destroying the special ships. If your team wins, you get the much-deserved prize!

• Random PvP Battles only
• Teams with the 'boss' ships will have fewer allies (this is intentional)
• Reward: box o' goodies -- Signal Flags

 

On the EU:

a totally not related event in which some spare change in the form of gold is available for 10 lucky persons... 10...

 

 

 

 

And you know what... I'm not even surprised anymore.

[Myrmix]

And again, Wargaming EU delivers... "delivers". October 19th: Halloween is coming, and the Germans & Ruskies are here...

 

On the RU Server: October 19, 10:00 (GMT) October 23, 8:30 (GMT)

Discounts and bonuses:

• 3 times the experience for the first victory of the day.
• 50% discount on the purchase of the studied Soviet destroyers II-V level.
• 50% discount on the purchase of study German cruisers II-V level.
• Discount of 30% on the free transfer of expertise (1 doubloon = 35 experience points).

 

On the NA Server:

- Halloween stream with prizes

- premium Kamikaze ship for sale, and a custom skin which allows for 100% extra XP gain for every battle.

- Boss Battles

Battle with and against two tricky "boss" vessels, Phantom Fortress and Salem Witch, and earn your treat! These spectral ships will be captained by Wargaming staff and representatives. These phantasms are incredibly powerful, so the teams will be balanced accordingly. Earning the reward is not contingent upon destroying the special ships. If your team wins, you get the much-deserved prize!

• Random PvP Battles only
• Teams with the 'boss' ships will have fewer allies (this is intentional)
• Reward: box o' goodies -- Signal Flags

 

On the EU:

a totally not related event in which some spare change in the form of gold is available for 10 lucky persons... 10...

 

 

 

 

And you know what... I'm not even surprised anymore.

 

Sounds funny. I think without the ping-problems, NA would be really cool, or RU, if you speak ru. Is it just the problem, that EU has too few people? or do they not talk with eachother? Would be cool to hear reasons from communitymanagers, why they can't to events like other regions.

[Raven2k5]

And again, Wargaming EU delivers... "delivers". October 19th: Halloween is coming, and the Germans & Ruskies are here...

 

On the RU Server: October 19, 10:00 (GMT) October 23, 8:30 (GMT)

Discounts and bonuses:

• 3 times the experience for the first victory of the day.
• 50% discount on the purchase of the studied Soviet destroyers II-V level.
• 50% discount on the purchase of study German cruisers II-V level.
• Discount of 30% on the free transfer of expertise (1 doubloon = 35 experience points).

 

On the NA Server:

- Halloween stream with prizes

- premium Kamikaze ship for sale, and a custom skin which allows for 100% extra XP gain for every battle.

- Boss Battles

Battle with and against two tricky "boss" vessels, Phantom Fortress and Salem Witch, and earn your treat! These spectral ships will be captained by Wargaming staff and representatives. These phantasms are incredibly powerful, so the teams will be balanced accordingly. Earning the reward is not contingent upon destroying the special ships. If your team wins, you get the much-deserved prize!

• Random PvP Battles only
• Teams with the 'boss' ships will have fewer allies (this is intentional)
• Reward: box o' goodies -- Signal Flags

 

On the EU:

a totally not related event in which some spare change in the form of gold is available for 10 lucky persons... 10...

 

 

 

 

And you know what... I'm not even surprised anymore.

 

Oh wow i don't know what to say, that's just sad..... looks like EU Players are second class citizens. Well it's not like i expected anything at this point.... but somehow it still is a letdown.

[MrFingers]

It seems that the EU will get someting with Halloween, but it will come later. And who knows what that something would be... can be an "x2" just as well.

[Raven2k5]

Oh okay good to know, thanks for telling me. Let's see what they have in store for us.

[Vanhal]

It seems that the EU will get someting with Halloween, but it will come later. And who knows what that something would be... can be an "x2" just as well.

 

Later as in later, or later like in Ectar's "later"?

[MrFingers]

Later as in... Most likely October 30/31st... (which is the evening before All Saints Day, on November 1st).

 

Supertester claims we'll get the same as the other servers... I want to see that.

[TheJezna]

 

Sounds funny. I think without the ping-problems, NA would be really cool, or RU, if you speak ru. Is it just the problem, that EU has too few people? or do they not talk with eachother? Would be cool to hear reasons from communitymanagers, why they can't to events like other regions.

 

I can tell you the reasons without them having to take time out of their precious schedule to lower themselves into stuff like interacting with their community: Either they are busy setting up and attending some event in some obscure rural place no one has ever heard of, or they are occupied with translating and proofreading the upcomming patch notes 50 times because translations are difficult or they are understaffed and can't really be held responsible for not being able to organize something.

 

Oh, I almost forgot to tell you off for having the audacity to question their hard work and interject some implication that you are stupid for even suggesting that players might expect the EU team to organize something, all delivered in a tone suggesting I'm personally offended and butthurt.

[MrFingers]

I think the biggest issue which prohibits a competition across the entire EU server is indeed the division into the seven languages... My bet is that on a particular morning before a major event, the conversation at WG'ing is something like this:

 

*news comes in that WG NA holds a competition with special WG employee ships, in which goodies can be won if the team with the WG employee wins/the WG employee gets killed. And that WG EU is expected by the players to hold a comparable contest*

 

EN: Ah, too bad, 3 out of 4 CM's are away for the weekend to a gathering in the Elbe II U-boat penn. Yes, it's inaccessible for the public, because it collapsed and they built at parking over it, but who cares, they're not in the office"

PL: "It's a good idea, we totally support it, but we already gave away a Mikasa for last months competition, isn't that a bit too much?"

GE: "Yeah, as Ectar said, rewards should be rare, so maybe the PL CM's have to refrain from joining this competition, the last thing we want is to spoil the playerbase"

FR: "You're all guest in our amazing city, we didn't have our croissants and coffee, and the waiter was rude to me, I won't join the competition, I go on strike until I get three croissants. And I already gave away an Ishizushi, that means I don't have to give anything away for the next 6 months... It's a Tier IV premium, you know what that's worth?"

ES: "My name Manuel, I know nothing, I from Barcelon...Oh, look, a

"

CZ: "We didn't do anything since the game went into OBT, and we're genuinely afraid that by joining, we'll make the CZ-playerbase suspicious because all of a sudden there is activity

[edited]

 

ah well... Turns out only three CM's are willing to join, which is ridiculous, so let's scrap that idea, and just give them an "x2" event... holding a competition means we have to keep an eye on the forums... We're not doing that, since we haven't been doing that for months now... Who cares, the money from the bundles keep rolling in anyway. Alright, who's joining me in playing some WoT? The forums can wait, as can the news, after all, it's already Tuesday, and that means that it's almost weekend, and the last thing we want is to clock overtime, can you imagine the strain on us, working for 5 actual days? Cheez...




*or something like that*
While it is a total ridiculisation, it is probably based on how it's done at EU. All the different languages work next to eachother, each catering their own contests & competitions, without any crosstalk, let alone some harmonisation in the agenda's, which means that a general EU competition is virtually impossible, because there's always some faction that is away on leave, or to some obscure event, or is already holding another competition which overlaps gravely with the new one, or doesn't have the manpower in the first place, or...

[Myrmix]

@MrFingers: Sounds a lot like how the EU would discuss something *refugeecough*

I would recommend some managers who are only responsible for ingame-events and translating news, while the others can keep up their roadtrip through europe. There should of course be feedback between them, but then you would actually have some guys who have the time to get ingame-events started. Should be affordable with wargaming's new bundles to pay 5 more guys?

[MrFingers]

In the meantime the same issues are arising in the French subforum: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/34163-politique-de-diffusion-des-news-de-wg-eu-le-retour/

 

Same issues, same requests (this in particular is about the late posting of patch notes)... 2 posts from WG Staff, in a topic of 28 posts... Here... 1 post from Ectar on 170 posts...

[Myrmix]

In the meantime the same issues are arising in the French subforum: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/34163-politique-de-diffusion-des-news-de-wg-eu-le-retour/

 

Same issues, same requests (this in particular is about the late posting of patch notes)... 2 posts from WG Staff, in a topic of 28 posts... Here... 1 post from Ectar on 170 posts...

 

Maybe we can cooperate with the other european countries? would make more impact, when all eu-forums are adressing the problem. I don't speak french, but maybe someone could communicate with the threadopener (maybe he also speaks english)

[Pernumbra]

MrFingers, on 19 October 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Later as in... Most likely October 30/31st... (which is the evening before All Saints Day, on November 1st).

Supertester claims we'll get the same as the other servers... I want to see that.

 

They also do not say what YEAR...

 

The quoted thread has been closed and scrapped... Surprised?...

 

TheJezna, on 19 October 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

Myrmix, on 19 October 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

 

Sounds funny. I think without the ping-problems, NA would be really cool, or RU, if you speak ru. Is it just the problem, that EU has too few people? or do they not talk with eachother? Would be cool to hear reasons from communitymanagers, why they can't to events like other regions.

 

I can tell you the reasons without them having to take time out of their precious schedule to lower themselves into stuff like interacting with their community: Either they are busy setting up and attending some event in some obscure rural place no one has ever heard of, or they are occupied with translating and proofreading the upcomming patch notes 50 times because translations are difficult or they are understaffed and can't really be held responsible for not being able to organize something.

 

Oh, I almost forgot to tell you off for having the audacity to question their hard work and interject some implication that you are stupid for even suggesting that players might expect the EU team to organize something, all delivered in a tone suggesting I'm personally offended and butthurt.

 

Are you applying for a job at WG? You seem to have the right idea for their working practice...

 

MrFingers, on 20 October 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

I think the biggest issue which prohibits a competition across the entire EU server is indeed the division into the seven languages... My bet is that on a particular morning before a major event, the conversation at WG'ing is something like this:

 

*news comes in that WG NA holds a competition with special WG employee ships, in which goodies can be won if the team with the WG employee wins/the WG employee gets killed. And that WG EU is expected by the players to hold a comparable contest*

 

EN: Ah, too bad, 3 out of 4 CM's are away for the weekend to a gathering in the Elbe II U-boat penn. Yes, it's inaccessible for the public, because it collapsed and they built at parking over it, but who cares, they're not in the office"

PL: "It's a good idea, we totally support it, but we already gave away a Mikasa for last months competition, isn't that a bit too much?"

GE: "Yeah, as Ectar said, rewards should be rare, so maybe the PL CM's have to refrain from joining this competition, the last thing we want is to spoil the playerbase"

FR: "You're all guest in our amazing city, we didn't have our croissants and coffee, and the waiter was rude to me, I won't join the competition, I go on strike until I get three croissants. And I already gave away an Ishizushi, that means I don't have to give anything away for the next 6 months... It's a Tier IV premium, you know what that's worth?"

ES: "My name Manuel, I know nothing, I from Barcelon...Oh, look, a

"

CZ: "We didn't do anything since the game went into OBT, and we're genuinely afraid that by joining, we'll make the CZ-playerbase suspicious because all of a sudden there is activity

[edited]

 

ah well... Turns out only three CM's are willing to join, which is ridiculous, so let's scrap that idea, and just give them an "x2" event... holding a competition means we have to keep an eye on the forums... We're not doing that, since we haven't been doing that for months now... Who cares, the money from the bundles keep rolling in anyway. Alright, who's joining me in playing some WoT? The forums can wait, as can the news, after all, it's already Tuesday, and that means that it's almost weekend, and the last thing we want is to clock overtime, can you imagine the strain on us, working for 5 actual days? Cheez...




*or something like that*
While it is a total ridiculisation, it is probably based on how it's done at EU. All the different languages work next to eachother, each catering their own contests & competitions, without any crosstalk, let alone some harmonisation in the agenda's, which means that a general EU competition is virtually impossible, because there's always some faction that is away on leave, or to some obscure event, or is already holding another competition which overlaps gravely with the new one, or doesn't have the manpower in the first place, or...

 

You even got the "Our official office language is English" part right.

 

Which I just do not understand.

 

"Official" language is English but it is one of the least used on forums and nothing gets posted until it is translated into ALL languages (seems like) rather than post it in a language that is seems ALL the staff should be at least manageable in and then work on the official WG tanslations which would give the players the ability to translate it themslves rather than get nothing.

 

Afterall, it is what the players are already doing - have we seen ANY official WG translations of all the Q&As held by the developers only at the RU events?

 

Myrmix, on 20 October 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Maybe we can cooperate with the other european countries? would make more impact, when all eu-forums are adressing the problem. I don't speak french, but maybe someone could communicate with the threadopener (maybe he also speaks english)

 

That would be good...

 

Small problem...

 

That WG read forums and care about EU, AND would actually do something about anything at other than their own speed and interest.

 

Oh, and the threads would probably be closed/trashed...

 

[GrumpyWorm]

Avoid political comments, and please dont post multiple comments in separate posts: use EDIT option instead

Otherwise you are risking sanctions and thread will go to junk.

 

[Blixies]

Avoid political comments, and please dont post multiple comments in separate posts: use EDIT option instead

Otherwise you are risking sanctions and thread will go to junk.

 

 

Yea, I was wondering if a moderator would catch up on that.

Thanks for not closing it right away, it's the most interesting thread to read on this forum IMHO.