premium ships pay to win :(

[Stalker_No]

i think  we need to get the premium ships to fight against each other.  . Pay  to win, ruines the game and the fun for us none premium . So get them to play with another . 

[WarAngels]

OMG, Premium ships is so OP. That they win every single time with their nuclear shells!!  *sarcasm off*

[IamTroublemaker]

i think  we need to get the premium ships to fight against each other.  . Pay  to win, ruines the game and the fun for us none premium . So get them to play with another . 

 

Provide us with an example please...

[Sub_Eleven]

i think  we need to get the premium ships to fight against each other.  . Pay  to win, ruines the game and the fun for us none premium . So get them to play with another . 

 

Not sure if you are suggesting that the premium ships are OP? If so, how many of the premiums have you played? The only premium that I'd consider strong is the murmansk. The rest, not so much. So what are you getting at here exactly? o.O

[ColonelPete]

Which naughty premium ship beat you up and stole your lollypop?

[Querulous]

Yes, few are good

[Nagine]

 

Provide us with an example please...

 

Haven't you heard stories how legendary lone Atago singlehandedly killed all friendly ships? Must be OP to have so many kills.

[praetor_jax]

 

Haven't you heard stories how legendary lone Atago singlehandedly killed all friendly ships? Must be OP to have so many kills.

 

 

Edit: Guess im gonna take my super OP Ishizuchi out for a spin then...

[Tr1umph]

 

So which premium ship is better than the non premium counterpart?

 

Plz tell im curious.

 

Only thing that i can think off is the murmansk, ever other premium ship is exactly as strong as the non premium ships of the same tier or even the same ship of their class...

[Scarebird]

Atlanta is paper thin, Yubari and Sims have both been nerfed since they were introduced, Warspite and Tirpitz can do well in the hands of good players, but neither is any more powerful than the battleships of the same tier in the regular tech tree.  Haven't played many of the other premium ships, but I don't consider any of them can be labelled with the 'pay to win' tag.  Perhaps you just suck. 

[Fizzy_Odin]

 

So which premium ship is better than the non premium counterpart?

 

Plz tell im curious.

 

Only thing that i can think off is the murmansk, ever other premium ship is exactly as strong as the non premium ships of the same tier or even the same ship of their class...

 

so Tirpitz is "is exactly as strong" as what ?? and you have here best score of today or what topic and look at last few pages and tell me which ship is mostly there - 600k, 900k 7kills ect..  I didnt see Pensacola there or Colorado or Furutaka or Mogami ect..  its not good that is too many high tier ship as premium already in game, i now wg want there money asap but doesit have to be in first few days already, and ofc  they make shity ships in tier 7 and 8 so you could buy prem ship or convert xp with real money 

[Realtbhuion]

none of the premium ships are p2w. compared to the non-premium of same type at same tier, they generally have 'lower' stats in most areas.  most of them require a good investment in time to figure out the specific playstyle suited to that particular ship, because it's never quite the same as the playstyle for the non-premium ships. if someone puts the time in, it doesn't matter whether the ship is premium, if they've figured out the playstyle and they can do it well, they will kick the crap out of you regardless of whether the ship is premium or not. most people with premiums haven't done that, tbh. look at the amount of clueless tirpitz and atago players that wind up basically being nothing but fodder because they simply don't know how to play the ship,  they just bought it because 'ooh pretty' and skipped into higher tier gameplay where they're not used to the ships they're up against, whether that be facing off against them, or playing them themselves.

 

yes, premium ships are nice, they're pretty, they're shiny, but they go boom just as frequently and just as easily as any other ship in the game. often 'more' easily.

 

i mean, look at them.

 

warspite without mods and captain skills is a wallowing, short ranged pig of a bb, with lower throw weight and hp than other bb's at the same tier.

 

yubari has horrible torp arc's.

 

gremyaschy has horrible turret turn speeds, and less than brilliant launch arcs.

 

aurora is kinda like a crippled st. louis that doesn't turn well, has exceptionally slow turning guns, and crap range.

 

atago is citadel-city.

 

atlanta goes boom if you sneeze at it, and has shorter ranger than anything that isn't a stock non-upgraded DD. sometimes even shorter than those.

 

tirpitz has poor AA, irritating dispersion, and crap penetrative ability for its tier. the trade-off is that they're not easy to citadel and have good hp for their tier.

 

mikasa is just lol. it's a novelty ship, nothing more.

 

tachibana has lower calibre guns than other DD's at its tier, shorter torp range, it's slow...

 

albany turns slower than a fly trying to tunnel through concrete, and has poor gun traverse time.

 

about the ONLY premium that doesn't have obvious disadvantages relative to non-premium equivalents, is the murmansk, which still has the disadvantage of being easier detected by planes, and given how much BB and CV drivers hate omaha's, that turns them into prime targets for cv's and bb's with spotters.

 

they're not pay to win. they're pay to have pretty ship that you have to learn to play just like you do with non-premium ships, with explicit disadvantages for wanting a shiny toy. people take them because a) oooh shiny, and b) they like that the disadvantages of premium ships force them to develop more skill in order to remain competitive, and c) credits and xp bonus and lower repair costs than non-premiums, which makes premiums a little preferable for higher tier gameplay, due to the game's economy being designed to keep people playing lower tiers to fund higher tier gameplay, they can get in more games playing with a premium than they could with a non-premium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ScratxNeko]

 

So which premium ship is better than the non premium counterpart?

 

Plz tell im curious.

 

Only thing that i can think off is the murmansk, ever other premium ship is exactly as strong as the non premium ships of the same tier or even the same ship of their class...

 

so Tirpitz is "is exactly as strong" as what ?? and you have here best score of today or what topic and look at last few pages and tell me which ship is mostly there - 600k, 900k 7kills ect..  I didnt see Pensacola there or Colorado or Furutaka or Mogami ect..  its not good that is too many high tier ship as premium already in game, i now wg want there money asap but doesit have to be in first few days already, and ofc  they make shity ships in tier 7 and 8 so you could buy prem ship or convert xp with real money 

 

Tirpitz is about as strong as the North Carolina and Amagi, naturally. That's whom you have to compare against.

 

I'm not sure what exactly is it that you want, though... you want a refund from WG? (Forums is wrong place to ask for it, btw)

 

Or do you want WG to develop more low-tier premiums? (Hint : Most premiums in game already are tier 5 and below, I think we pretty much only have Atlanta, Atago, Tirpitz and Warspite for tier 6+ ... and Warspite isn't in the shop. Oh, I suppose Kitakami also counts... LOL... any ship I missed? )

 

Ah, and of course... tell us which ships you think actually are OP and we'll give you a run-down as to why you're actually rather wrong about it.

 

 

PS : Yeah, converting xp is a way for them to get revenue. So what? It's not like you can't grind the old fashioned way and Free XP keeps accumulating, too, just be very judicious about where you spend it?

[Fizzy_Odin]

i wowp ther was only few premium at the start, the one you get from beta and alpha and some t3 and t4, here 2 week from start ther is Atalanta, Atago and Tirpitz tier 7/8/8  adn they puting it more, soon it will be like 10-15 ships in premium, premium ship is always a little to mid better than all ships in same tier if they are played by players who knows how to play with ship and class of ship, Murmansk will always be better than Omaha and Furutaka and Tirpitz will always be better than Amagi and N.C.  for strat Murmansk have 8km torpedo vs Omaha 5km and Tirpitz have torpedo as only BB and a lot more thing - he is more like pocket BB with more maneuverability like heavy cruiser but with firepower and armor of same tier BB 

[FlamingHooligan]

 

 

Edit: Guess im gonna take my super OP Ishizuchi out for a spin then...

 

I hope your gonna grab your ankles while your there 

[Realtbhuion]

..furutaka isn't a premium, dude. atlanta, murmansk, aurora, atago, kitakami, tachibana, warspite, have all been in the game since cbt, btw. it's not like they're recent additions and they're adding new premiums every week. btw, there are currently 22 premium ships in-game, and that's before the 5.0.1 next week introduces two more... and yet most people aren't playing premium ships.

[ScratxNeko]

i wowp ther was only few premium at the start, the one you get from beta and alpha and some t3 and t4, here 2 week from start ther is Atalanta, Atago and Tirpitz tier 7/8/8  adn they puting it more, soon it will be like 10-15 ships in premium, premium ship is always a little to mid better than all ships in same tier if they are played by players who knows how to play with ship and class of ship, Murmansk will always be better than Omaha and Furutaka and Tirpitz will always be better than Amagi and N.C.  for strat Murmansk have 8km torpedo vs Omaha 5km and Tirpitz have torpedo as only BB and a lot more thing - he is more like pocket BB with more maneuverability like heavy cruiser but with firepower and armor of same tier BB 

 

You heard it first, folks, 6km torps are OP. Nerf Tirpitz.

 

(let's ignore its competition has 16" guns and more of them, 10 and 9 respectively, so they both pen easier and do more damage)

[Maj_Havoc]

i wowp ther was only few premium at the start, the one you get from beta and alpha and some t3 and t4, here 2 week from start ther is Atalanta, Atago and Tirpitz tier 7/8/8  adn they puting it more, soon it will be like 10-15 ships in premium, premium ship is always a little to mid better than all ships in same tier if they are played by players who knows how to play with ship and class of ship, Murmansk will always be better than Omaha and Furutaka and Tirpitz will always be better than Amagi and N.C.  for strat Murmansk have 8km torpedo vs Omaha 5km and Tirpitz have torpedo as only BB and a lot more thing - he is more like pocket BB with more maneuverability like heavy cruiser but with firepower and armor of same tier BB 

 

Atalanta and atago were in game during closed beta; the only premium ships that were not that have been released since are the Ishizuchi and the tripitz which was only available for a limited time. Further despite the folks who imagine the grass is always greener, premium ships are NOT better than ships of the same tier and class, they are balanced to be on a par with the base ships of the same tier, and weaker than the fully upgraded versions.

 

As has already been stated, the only ship that could be considered equal to an upgraded ship of the same tier and class is the Murmansk, but I have no doubt that should game play stats show over time the Murmansk has a clear advantage it will be nerfed and brought into line with everything else.

[Warlock_hero_defender]

none of the premium ships are p2w. compared to the non-premium of same type at same tier, they generally have 'lower' stats in most areas.  most of them require a good investment in time to figure out the specific playstyle suited to that particular ship, because it's never quite the same as the playstyle for the non-premium ships. if someone puts the time in, it doesn't matter whether the ship is premium, if they've figured out the playstyle and they can do it well, they will kick the crap out of you regardless of whether the ship is premium or not. most people with premiums haven't done that, tbh. look at the amount of clueless tirpitz and atago players that wind up basically being nothing but fodder because they simply don't know how to play the ship,  they just bought it because 'ooh pretty' and skipped into higher tier gameplay where they're not used to the ships they're up against, whether that be facing off against them, or playing them themselves.

 

yes, premium ships are nice, they're pretty, they're shiny, but they go boom just as frequently and just as easily as any other ship in the game. often 'more' easily.

 

i mean, look at them.

 

warspite without mods and captain skills is a wallowing, short ranged pig of a bb, with lower throw weight and hp than other bb's at the same tier.

 

yubari has horrible torp arc's.

 

gremyaschy has horrible turret turn speeds, and less than brilliant launch arcs.

 

aurora is kinda like a crippled st. louis that doesn't turn well, has exceptionally slow turning guns, and crap range.

 

atago is citadel-city.

 

atlanta goes boom if you sneeze at it, and has shorter ranger than anything that isn't a stock non-upgraded DD. sometimes even shorter than those.

 

tirpitz has poor AA, irritating dispersion, and crap penetrative ability for its tier. the trade-off is that they're not easy to citadel and have good hp for their tier.

 

mikasa is just lol. it's a novelty ship, nothing more.

 

tachibana has lower calibre guns than other DD's at its tier, shorter torp range, it's slow...

 

albany turns slower than a fly trying to tunnel through concrete, and has poor gun traverse time.

 

about the ONLY premium that doesn't have obvious disadvantages relative to non-premium equivalents, is the murmansk, which still has the disadvantage of being easier detected by planes, and given how much BB and CV drivers hate omaha's, that turns them into prime targets for cv's and bb's with spotters.

 

they're not pay to win. they're pay to have pretty ship that you have to learn to play just like you do with non-premium ships, with explicit disadvantages for wanting a shiny toy. people take them because a) oooh shiny, and b) they like that the disadvantages of premium ships force them to develop more skill in order to remain competitive, and c) credits and xp bonus and lower repair costs than non-premiums, which makes premiums a little preferable for higher tier gameplay, due to the game's economy being designed to keep people playing lower tiers to fund higher tier gameplay, they can get in more games playing with a premium than they could with a non-premium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So very true, agree completly

[Tugnut]

pls point on the rubber ducky where the nasty op prem ship touched you.

[Flavonov]

I don't get it... you say that we should make premium ships only play premium ships... but what is your logic or reasoning behind that? Simply complaining about something doesn't do much. Offer reasons to back up your claim at least.

[T0rad]

please tell me where are the citadels on atago... uive hit so many bb salvos on it, rarely hit citadel

[Hurme_Ulina]

please tell me where are the citadels on atago... uive hit so many bb salvos on it, rarely hit citadel

 

Under the funnels, middle of the ship, near waterline. It's not as easy to score citadels against Atago as it is, for example, against Mogami.

 

Edit: Yesterday scored couple of citadels against Atago in my New Orleans. I was trying to get a screenshot to show here but the update seems to have screwed up the replays

[LMN118]

please tell me where are the citadels on atago... uive hit so many bb salvos on it, rarely hit citadel

 

• Where you would expect to find them, it has a low profile which makes it a little more difficult to hit but as a ship the Atago is no more powerful than the Myoko. 
• The Atlanta has no armour, fragile modules, low range, less health than an Omaha and no plane. It is very situational ship and great at killing DD's although fighting battleships usually leads you to being one shot. 
• Ishizuchi, yeah not going to even mention it. Mikasa....
• Tachibana and Albany are under powered for their tier (2 lol). 
• Aurora and Diana are OK but nothing special. 
• Murmansk is a little OP but only because the Omaha is such a good ship to begin with. 
• Simms is no more powerful than other same tier destroyers. 
• Tirpitz is no more powerful than any other battleship and like other ships with torpedos as a secondary I've rarely seen them used other than noobs launching them at ships 15km away.  

 

Despite being not as combat effective as regular ships they also perform in terms of credits and experience much the same as regular ships. So yeah, they are OP because you can easily switch crews on them without losing your captain abilities but I don't think that counts towards being Pay To Win. 

 

 

[DarthMurloc]

The only one premium I had was Albany. I thought I'd own at T1/T2 range with that beast. Turned out stock Hashidate can sink it without receiving a single shot back due to larger range. Also slower tower turn rate doesn't help for those fast maneuvering ships. I didn't regret selling it. Free silver and port place. A bargain.