Cruisers are outrageously unbalanced

[koskok2695]

Hello there guys,

 

Im just writing this after getting destroyed in  my Fuso in a duel with an Omaha. That's right ,an Omaha that left the duel with 60% of his hitpoints while I got destroyed by the unbearably humongus fire damage from his pathetic guns.Yes I'm butthurt ,but it happens that I'm a butthurt that plays every class except from CVs and knows extremely well how corrupted the current HE shells are ,and how completely helpless Battleships are towards cruisers.To be more specific: If your allies turn their back on you and a cruiser comes in close ,you're freaking DEAD. No ,I don't believe Destroyers are unbalanced too.I'm not a big stupid battleship captain.I pay attention ,use my rudder and I'm pretty much untouchable by those little creepers ,but tell me ,HOW DO YOU EVADE A CRUISER SAILING STRAIGHT ON YOU ,RAINING HIGH EXPLOSIVE SHELLS ,GETTING OVERPENETRATED BY ARMOR PIERCING AND RECEIVING PATHETICALLY LOW DAMAGE FROM YOUR HIGH EXPLOSIVE SHELLS.ALL THAT WHILE YOU SPLICE HIM TERRIBLY WITH EACH SALVO RESULTING IN A MAXIMUM OF 1 MINOR HIT AND YOU HAVE EXPENDED ALL YOUR REPAIR CONSUMABLES WITH 3 FIRES ON BOARD?It's actually very simple: YOU CAN'T. Call me a noob ,I don't care.All I care about is the gameplay which right now is even more broken than WoT in it's first stages. Just because I was curious on how i was getting hammered by any high explosive abuser ,I found out that the chance of fire on hit is over 15% on most ships ,so tell me : Isn't 1 out of seven shots a crazily high chance for a cruiser with 10 outstandingly accurate guns at nearly 9 rounds per minute?Even if 6 can only point at you once and 3 shells actually hit ,that roughly translates to about 4 FIRES SET PER MINUTE.What about the repair consumables?1.5 to 2 minutes cooldown?Yeah ,you dont stand a single chance even if you ignore the instant damage dealt by the explosion ,unless rngesus himself guides each and every shot you fire directly on the enemy.Just my opinion though ,I wanted to state it only to feel better after a horrendous game ending in a slow ,hot ,painful and ironic death.:'(

 

P.S. Many people misunderstand the word "unbalanced" with "OP". I dont think they are OP. When I say "unbalanced" I mean linear and historically inaccurate.And till now Wargaming has emphasised on their game aiming on realism.So I think in real life cruisers wouldn't turn Battleships into fireplaces nor did superficial fire damage really destroy exceptionally well armored ships.Hence the term "unbalanced"

[Userext]

L2P

[koskok2695]

L2P

 

Not even a doubt the Omaha is your favourite ship and you're a Hold M1 cruiser captain.Try your patience by playing BBs for a twist.

[Kenliero]

Killing cruisers with BB is like kicking puppies.

You get this feeling like "I'm sorry for taking all your hitpoints with only one volley...I know you wanted to continue playing... awww that must be really frustrating..."

[Dangerhamster]

Next time I get one-shotted by a BB I'm deffo starting a thread.

[StuntMan0369]

 

Not even a doubt the Omaha is your favourite ship and you're a Hold M1 cruiser captain.

 

What's funny is he's a DD player, not cruisers.

 

2nd, how else would you expect an Omaha to combat a BB? If he fires AP, he's going to have a poor damage output compared to firing HE. He just outplayed you, nothing more.

[koskok2695]

Killing cruisers with BB is like kicking puppies.

You get this feeling like "I'm sorry for taking all your hitpoints with only one volley...I know you wanted to continue playing... awww that must be really frustrating..."

 

Clevelands not paying attention suffer this fate with citadels ,omahas? Nope ,the closest Ive ever come to killing one was taking 4086HP from him in a full broadside at 10km.

[koskok2695]

 

What's funny is he's a DD player, not cruisers.

 

2nd, how else would you expect an Omaha to combat a BB? If he fires AP, he's going to have a poor damage output compared to firing HE. He just outplayed you, nothing more.

 

Why should he have such an enormous fire chance? I don't expect him to fire AP at me but my deaths in a BB from fire damage accounting to 60% isn't really called balanced

[Userext]

What's funny is he's a DD player, not cruisers.

 

ssssh 

 

 

Clevelands not paying attention suffer this fate with citadels ,omahas? Nope ,the closest Ive ever come to killing one was taking 4086HP from him in a full broadside at 10km.

 

omaha has a bigger citadel than a cleveland. İts L2P issue

[koskok2695]

 

ssssh 

 

 

omaha has a bigger citadel than a cleveland. İts L2P issue

 

I just said that I citadel Clevelands easily and you tell me that Omaha has a bigger citadel? Why do I never citadel them in my wildest dreams?Even when I lead them perfectly I just observe my shells fall in front and behind him

 

[Userext]

 

I just said that I citadel Clevelands easier and you tell me that Omaha has a bigger citadel? Why do I never citadel them in my wildest dreams?Even when I lead them perfectly I just observe my shells fall in front and behind him

 

 

As i said its L2P issue. Omaha has a bigger citadel than cleveland. cleveland has seperated 2 small citadels. People find cleveland harder to citadel. 

[StuntMan0369]

 

Why should he have such an enormous fire chance? I don't expect him to fire AP at me but my deaths in a BB from fire damage accounting to 60% isn't really called balanced

 

It states it's that high, but very rarely will it actually ever hit that rate. If you are in the situation where it's one on one between you and a cruiser and you're not the last one left alive, something went wrong from the beginning. Never go solo, except as a DD where it's more manageable due to stealth. If you can't hit the citadel on the Omaha's broadside, you eiter have the worse RNG in history, or your aiming is below average. If he's angled, you run away, bring him to the team and either force him to break engagement, die to your team or take a shot when he turns his broadside.

 

 

I just said that I citadel Clevelands easier and you tell me that Omaha has a bigger citadel? Why do I never citadel them in my wildest dreams?Even when I lead them perfectly I just observe my shells fall in front and behind him

 

 

If you are firing at max range, that would explain it. If he's within 12km, he should be dead, or crippled to the point of forced retreat.

[Admiral_noodle]

To OP. I have a Fuso. You were bothered by an Omaha? Seriously? I mean Clevelands are annoying sometimes but an Omaha? It's a citadel - at any angle!!

 

So I suggest: watching videos demonstrating how to deal with cruisers in a BB. Secondly go play an Omaha and see how well you do in a duel 1v1 vs. a Fuso of all ships!!

 

We're you firing HE by mistake?

[koskok2695]

 

It states it's that high, but very rarely will it actually ever hit that rate. If you are in the situation where it's one on one between you and a cruiser and you're not the last one left alive, something went wrong from the beginning. Never go solo, except as a DD where it's more manageable due to stealth. If you can't hit the citadel on the Omaha's broadside, you eiter have the worse RNG in history, or your aiming is below average. If he's angled, you run away, bring him to the team and either force him to break engagement, die to your team or take a shot when he turns his broadside.

 

 

If you are firing at max range, that would explain it. If he's within 12km, he should be dead, or crippled to the point of forced retreat.

 

That's actually how I would reply if someone posted what I did. But if I showed you the footage (I'm still trying to find a way to capture some of my games) you would either cry or get frustrated. My strongest advantage as a player is leading ,its almost always perfect ,my problem is splicing as shells just dont seem to want to land on the target.Yes ,I tried to lead him to my team that was moving away as I was repeatedly crying for help  and loosing my mind from the fires and the splicing.He didnt turn away a second to fire broadside ,pointing straight towards me  till the very last second.

[koskok2695]

To OP. I have a Fuso. You were bothered by an Omaha? Seriously? I mean Clevelands are annoying sometimes but an Omaha? It's a citadel - at any angle!!

 

So I suggest: watching videos demonstrating how to deal with cruisers in a BB. Secondly go play an Omaha and see how well you do in a duel 1v1 vs. a Fuso of all ships!!

 

We're you firing HE by mistake?

 

Truly OP against any large ship.Im seriously telling you I citadel Clevelands for fun ,even at 18km if they arent trying to dodge ,but I just can't citadel this thing.And i was actually firing AP at him all the time resulting in overpens ,so I switched to HE just before I died.By the way ,if there are any videos on how to deal with omahas I'm more than eager to watch them as they are currently my only real annoyance in the Fuso.Im extremely serious.I'd take a duel with a Cleveland or Atlanta any time of the day instead!

[Admiral_noodle]

 

That's actually how I would reply if someone posted what I did. But if I showed you the footage (I'm still trying to find a way to capture some of my games) you would either cry or get frustrated. My strongest advantage as a player is leading ,its almost always perfect ,my problem is splicing as shells just dont seem to want to land on the target.Yes ,I tried to lead him to my team that was moving away as I was repeatedly crying for help  and loosing my mind from the fires and the splicing.He didnt turn away a second to fire broadside ,pointing straight towards me  till the very last second.

 

In Fuso? Checking your stats you are doing fine in Kongo and Fuso. Maybe this one was bad luck? I got called an aim not user for destroying an Omaha with one salvo (3 citadels) earlier today! Later on I held a whole flank with Arkansas against cruisers... They are fine so... Are you unlucky or are you doing something which makes you vulnerable to certain situations? 

 

Here's an idea... Sdo you always keep cruisers at arms length? Not Mac range but say 10k? I'm not a brilliant shot at range and it looks like you are. Perhaps you need - judged right - to turn on the cruiser and close in to short range - usually the cruiser then has to show you his side either to run or torp you. Then you get a chance to devastate. 

[StuntMan0369]

 

That's actually how I would reply if someone posted what I did. But if I showed you the footage (I'm still trying to find a way to capture some of my games) you would either cry or get frustrated. My strongest advantage as a player is leading ,its almost always perfect ,my problem is splicing as shells just dont seem to want to land on the target.Yes ,I tried to lead him to my team that was moving away as I was repeatedly crying for help  and loosing my mind from the fires and the splicing.He didnt turn away a second to fire broadside ,pointing straight towards me  till the very last second.

 

Well, if he's doing that, he knows what he's doing. A broadsiding Omaha is a dead Omaha. He virtually maximised his fire power against you, and made himself as immune as possible from AP fire. At that point, he has the advantage. It's likely that he got lucky with the fire chance (although he will always beat your repair reload). However, since we don't have a replay/video whatever, it's hard to say any more about it. 

 

Speaking on video, have you turned on replays? If you had the replay file, you wouldn't need to worry about recording the game live, as it would auto save as a replay file in your game directory. There's plenty of topics about it: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/19170-enabling-wows-replays/

[Admiral_noodle]

Like I said if a cruiser is intent on charging me I'll charge him back. Reduces the time he can spam me and I can get into secondary range. If he turns to launch torps he's probably dead.

 

Also charging nose on means you can citadel him through his nose...

 

 

All things being equal. If I'm low on health and alone I'm probably dead.

 

I wouldn't charge a bb in my Murmansk unless I had no choices left.

[EsaTuunanen]

Killing cruisers with BB is like kicking puppies.

You get this feeling like "I'm sorry for taking all your hitpoints with only one volley...I know you wanted to continue playing... awww that must be really frustrating..."

Yeah, sometimes you just feel partially sorry for enemy who had no chance.

Like when I recently killed distracted Omaha with three citadel salvos from Gremy's guns.

Poor player, first prioritized CV over my puny DD and then even turned his side for my APs at ~5km.

 

A broadsiding Omaha is a dead Omaha.

Indeed.

 

[Aldramelech]

Dude you got outplayed, pure and simple. Omaha is a one of many weapons in the arsenal of the seal-clubber, you met an experienced and probably very good ship driver. If I had an Omaha sailing towards me in my Fuso? Miller time!

[Battledragon]

I've oneshot Omahas with Kongo before now, with Fuso, upgraded, it's quite simple.  Well most of the time it is.  I will say though that if you meet an omaha with advanced fire training shelling you from 16km away. THAT gets annoying. takes so long for your shells to travel that it's like trying to swat a fly with a sledge hammer.  90% of Omahas though won't be that highly upgraded, and from 10-12km sinking it is not usually too big a problem.

[kiteohatto]

Omaha sank your Fuso ?

You got outplayed.....badly.

[mtm78]

Even my AB oneshoted an Omaha with 3 citadel's and 2 regular hits once, should I now make a topic about how OP AB is and how it should be nerved?

 

BB have second highest damage after CV, much higher then the other two classes, it doesn't need a buff.

[ShockPirat]

I was just thinking about this earlier today during my Nagato game. I realized I fear Omahas more than any other cruiser I can meet in my Nagato.

 

Guys saying they oneshotted broadsiding Omahas, shut up. It is obvious Omaha is dead if he shows you his side.

The problem with Omahas is that they can sail straight at you and keep 90% of their firepower. Seriously, if they broadside you they get 1 or 2 guns more to shoot with, while risking to get oneshot. It is just not worth it. While pointed straight at you Omaha shows the least possible profile and while it is possible to citadel him from the front, it is mostly at the mercy of RNGesus. Aiming itself is not hard at all.

 

So he's charging at you. It is not always possible to charge back, if he has a friendly DD or torp cruiser nearby. You will just eat torps. But lets say you charge back. When he gets to short range, a smart Omaha player won't show his side to torp you. He will simply pass by you, so your turrets can't follow, and torp you from your side.

If you try to turn back and run (which works great vs DDs), he will just keep following you and burn you down eventually.

 

So what can a lone BB player in such situation do? Pray to RNGesus. Nothing else. It is a mistake to get into such a situation, but sometimes you just can't help it.

 

 

 

I think mid tier heavy cruisers need a serious buff. Their extra armor actually works against them (more regular penetrations) and firepower feels way worse than most light cruisers.

[kiteohatto]

 

So what can a lone BB player in such situation do? Pray to RNGesus. Nothing else. It is a mistake to get into such a situation, but sometimes you just can't help it.

 

 

Broadcast Omaha so your entire team(which should be nearby) start shooting it, if it's going straight at you then it's broadside has to be facing some of your team mates(hopefully somewhat competent).