CV Border Hugging

[Leonadios]

Make the border cause collision damage

Allow planes to set attack orders outside of the border

???

Profit

 

[CroPanzer]

I have no issues sinking CVs hugging the border.

[Leonadios]

I have no issues sinking CVs hugging the border.

 

If they turn parallel to the border you're forced to drop torps miles away. It also means you can only strike from 1 side.

[Ubertron_X]

My 'border' solution?

 

Gradually increasing % damage over time.

[Figment]

 

If they turn parallel to the border you're forced to drop torps miles away. It also means you can only strike from 1 side.

 

You can actually do more :x Look up some border torping vids on youtube.

[Lord_WC]

CVs fighting each other is like watching midget wrestling.

[DtXpwnz]

 

If they turn parallel to the border you're forced to drop torps miles away. It also means you can only strike from 1 side.

 

at least watch Aerroons advanced CV guide on YT and try to practice it...

[CroPanzer]

 

If they turn parallel to the border you're forced to drop torps miles away. It also means you can only strike from 1 side.

 

That is true, but you can still skillfuly drop them miles away, dive bombers don't need manual anyway in such a position, and you can make that CV burn, wait for repairs, and then manage 1 torp at least (not that hard) for a liquidator medal 

 

The easy workaround would be to make it possible for airplanes to exit the map a bit, it does make it a bit more difficult but not at all impossible.

[Battledragon]

Aircraft can already fly outside the map

[Leonadios]

 

at least watch Aerroons advanced CV guide on YT and try to practice it...

 

 

That is true, but you can still skillfuly drop them miles away, dive bombers don't need manual anyway in such a position, and you can make that CV burn, wait for repairs, and then manage 1 torp at least (not that hard) for a liquidator medal 

 

The easy workaround would be to make it possible for airplanes to exit the map a bit, it does make it a bit more difficult but not at all impossible.

 

Of course it's possible, it's not that much harder, but my point is why should it be any different than a normal drop? Just because the enemy is hugging an invisible wall.

[goodman528]

This is an important issue that has been raised by many different people on a very regular basis. Let's keep these topics at the top of the forum, so new players realize this is something that deserves WG's attention.

[Spellfire40]

 

at least watch Aerroons advanced CV guide on YT and try to practice it...

 

And watch an US CVa AA blast your IJN torpedobombers to kingdom come while you execute it.

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40

[Figment]

 

And watch an US CVa AA blast your IJN torpedobombers to kingdom come while you execute it.

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40

 

Not sure what you're complaining, but I kill twice the amount of US squadrons than they kill of me using my IJN CV's AA. Average is 13.5 aircraft per match.

[Leonadios]

 

Not sure what you're complaining, but I kill twice the amount of US squadrons than they kill of me using my IJN CV's AA. Average is 13.5 aircraft per match.

 

Are you serious? Lexington AA rating is like 72

[Figment]

Are you serious? Lexington AA rating is like 72

 

76 on the B hull. It depends on the tier which AA is stronger really. IJN AA is very early quite powerful and consistent. They also have a significant range advantage at the lower tiers, so if you don't get too close and activate the inner ring of AA, you can reduce your casualties. Of course, that makes your torp drop less reliable in hitting. Still, seems the best way to deal with USN CV carrier vs carrier is to drop a little over 2.5km from target and avoid the AA that will really rip your air to pieces.

 

Ship (IJN)	Hull AA rating	Regular AA range	Extended AA range	Ship (US)	Hull AA rating	Regular AA range	Extended AA range
Hosho	A: 8 B: 17	A: 6x 2.1km B: 6x 3km	N/A	Langley	A: 0 B: 6	A: 0 B: 16x0.9km + 4x2km	N/A
Zuiho	A: 32 B: 38 C: 41	A: 4x3km + 4x 5km B,C: 10x3km + 4x 5km	A: 4x3.6km + 4x6km B,C: 10x3.6km + 4x 6km	Bogue	A: 24 B: 38	A: 10x2.1km + 4x 3.5km B: 27x2.1km + 10x 3.5km	A: 10x2.5km + 4x4.2km B: 27x2.5km + 10x 4.2km
Ryujo	A: 30 B: 36 C: 40	A: 6x2.1km + 6x5km B: 14x3km + 6x5km C: 18x3km + 6x5km	A: 6x2.5km + 6x6km B: 14x3.6km + 6x6km C: 18x3.6km + 6x6km	Independence	A: 29 B: 39	A: 14x2.1km + 9x3.5km + 2x5km B: 14x 2.1km + 11x3.5km	A: 14x2.5km + 9x4.2km + 2x6km B: 14x 2.5km + 11x4.2km
Hiryu	A: 38 B: 44	A: 12x3km + 6x 5km B: 21x3km + 6x5km	A: 12x3.6km + 6x 6km B: 21x3.6km + 6x6km	Ranger	A: 28 B: 49	A: 24x2.1km + 6x3.5km + 8x5km B: 47x 2.1km + 5x3.5km + 8x5km	A: 24x2.5km + 6x4.2km + 8x6km B: 47x 2.5km + 5x4.2km + 8x6km
Shokaku	A: 42 B: 50 C: 55	A: 36x3km + 8x5km B: 52x 3km 8x5km C: 52x3km 8x5km	A: 36x3.6km + 8x6km B: 52x 3.6km 8x6km C: 52x3.6km 8x6km	Lexington	A: 61 B: 76	A: 52x2.1km + 9x3.5km + 12x5km B: 16x2.1km + 25x3.5km + 12x5km	A: 52x2.5km + 9x4.2km + 12x6km B: 16x2.5km + 25x4.2km + 12x6km
Taiho	A: 41 B: 54	A: 17x3km 6x5km B: 25x3.5km 6x5km	A: 17x3.6km 6x6km B: 25x4.2km 6x6km	Essex	A: 49 B: 70	A: 46x2.1 + 8x3.5km + 8x5km B: 56x2.1 + 17x3.5km + 8x5km	A: 46x2.5 + 8x4.2km + 8x6km B: 56x2.5 + 17x4.2km + 8x6km
Hakuryu	A: 57	22x3.5km 12x5km	22x 4.2km 12x6km	Midway	A: 71	28x2.1km + 21x3.5km + 18x5km	28x2.5km + 21x4.2km + 18x6km

 

[FloRead]

How do you drop more than 2.5km? The max range of the IJN air dropped torpedo is 2km?

[Kenliero]

How do you drop more than 2.5km? The max range of the IJN air dropped torpedo is 2km?

 

There is no such thing as max range, you can drop torpedoes on top of your own carrier if you want...

 

EDIT: Go ahead, try it... I promise you won't teamkill yourself

[FloRead]

Figment is suggesting that torpedo drops be made further than 2.5km from a USN carrier. Last I remember, IJN air dropped torpedoes have a maximum range of 2.0km. If you dropped more than 2.5km away, will the torpedoes ever reach?

[Kenliero]

Figment is suggesting that torpedo drops be made further than 2.5km from a USN carrier. Last I remember, IJN air dropped torpedoes have a maximum range of 2.0km. If you dropped more than 2.5km away, will the torpedoes ever reach?

 

Oh, you mean the range they travel while remaining armed. yeah that is not unlimited. Just checked, Zuiho,Ryujo,Hiryu and Shokaku at least are 2.0km

[Luckyio]

CVs fighting each other is like watching midget wrestling.

 

Those are fighting words, and midget wrestlers sure can fight!

[Figment]

Oh, you mean the range they travel while remaining armed. yeah that is not unlimited. Just checked, Zuiho,Ryujo,Hiryu and Shokaku at least are 2.0km

 

Hmm, thought it was something like three to three and a half. You're correct though, just checked: it's 2.0km so it can't be completely avoided. Only minimized.

 

If you drop from the direction the ship is moving towards though, you need to get less close.

[Kenliero]

 

Hmm, thought it was something like three to three and a half. You're correct though, just checked: it's 2.0km so it can't be completely avoided. Only minimized.

 

If you drop from the direction the ship is moving towards though, you need to get less close.

 

it is 3.7km with USN bombers

[Figment]

it is 3.7km with USN bombers

 

That's probably where I got that idea from then.

[Tugnut]

I have no issues sinking CVs hugging the border.

 

Me to.... but i see a lot of players who cant sink them when they dont as well!

[pra3y]

Aircraft can already fly outside the map

 

The aircraft might be able to fly outside, but only for turning i think.If u try to  torp a cv or any ship that is border hugging,that attack cone u get will not exceed the border,which means any torp attack comes from either the maximum range (if the ship is parrallel to the border) or at wierd angles (any other angle to the border). Even manual torping them is difficult.

Once went against a Ranger that just refused to leave the border.When it formed a T with the border i torped it from the side but she just turn parrallel to the border, effectively evading the torps.It was extremely frustrating to see the border being abused like that,as well as other ships.A teammate once said u should use any means to win,but if u don't even try to learn how to dodge torps without "cheating" how will u get better playing?