German Cruisers

[broja_jacra]

 

Ok so I had a look and Hindenburg is 203 mm at stock (No info on upgrades).

and this is the Roon

 

Bismarck is shown next to Tirpitz in the tree atm but its going to be thr normal  T8 and not premium

This is the Orlan which is the T1 Soviet Cruiser.

and the Soviet tree

 

 

[Eruantien_Aduialdraug]

 

Ok so I had a look and Hindenburg is 203 mm at stock (No info on upgrades).

and this is the Roon

 

 

Bismarck is shown next to Tirpitz in the tree atm but its going to be thr normal  T8 and not premium

This is the Orlan which is the T1 Soviet Cruiser.

and the Soviet tree

 

 

 

 

O7. Looks like "more powerful main battery guns" is a mistranslation. "More powerful main battery" would be a better way of phrasing the translation given that it's an extra triple turret.

[Sander93]

 

Ok so I had a look and Hindenburg is 203 mm at stock (No info on upgrades).

 

 

Any chance you can look up the dispersion? Wondering what the accuracy is like compared to the Japanese and Americans. 

[Diminios]

Exustio's Excel WoWs Comparison Sheet has the stats listed. 156m for the Hiddenburger.

[broja_jacra]

 

Any chance you can look up the dispersion? Wondering what the accuracy is like compared to the Japanese and Americans.

 

Exustio's Excel WoWs Comparison Sheet has the stats listed. 156m for the Hiddenburger.

 

Yes, its 156M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[broja_jacra]

I also made a quick skin for Kolberg

 

[HaachamaShipping]

Maybe, maybe not, SMS Hindenburg was a Defflinger-class battlecruiser (laid down in 1913, commissioned in 1917). There was a discussion on a thread about British cruisers, and it was realised was that when it comes to heavy cruisers Britain has exactly three classes (Hawkins, County & York, York being a lighter version of the County), so we came to the conclusion that we either go with CLs the entire way (which Britain can probably do, there's a lot of RN light cruiser classes), or put the more lightly armed battlecruisers as high tier "cruisers" (by more lightly armed, we mean 343 mm and below, with 356 mm+ battlecruisers being classed as battleships in game). It's possible that Wargaming have come to the same conclusion and put Hindenburg (with artificaially improved AA) as the tier 10 KM cruiser.

 

Personally, I hope that's not the case, the difference in doctrine for KM and RN battlecruisers makes the Defflinger-class quite suitable as a low tier BB. Tier 4 perhaps? It has comparable armour and main armament to the South Carolina, but is substantially faster, actually out running the stock Myogi (which it has almost twice the belt thickness of), and a more powerful secondary. Again, it has similar armour to the Wyoming and is faster, with a comparable secondary, and a not much weaker main armament. (Comparing to possible British low tier BBs, the Defflinger-class has comparable armaments and armour regarding everything from Dreadnought to the Colossus-class, with the armament only really slipping behind with the first of the super dreadnoughts, HMS Orion).

 

Edit: Uh-oh... Looks like there might be something to what I just said. Just read the "Admiral Hipper and his Fleet" announcement; this is the write up for the "Hindenburg" - 

 

Given that the preceding heavy cruisers are going to be using 203 mm guns, and guns of calibres between that and the 305s were only used on ships built at the back end of the 19th century... could well be a 305 mm armed Hindenburg, which could be what we don't want it to be.

 

 

I do rather suspect that Bismark will end up being a regular T8 though, not chilling with the Tirpitz in the premium column.

 

Roon and Hindenburg are both paper design ships, which were given appropriate German cruiser names, just like all other paper designs in the game that got no proper name already (Montana has already a name, Myogi, Izumo and Zao would be the ships that like Roon and Hindenburg were renamed). So no, these won't be some WWII battlecruisers, they'll be late-war era heavy cruiser designs, appropriate for their tier.

 

Also, 305/310 mm caliber did make a reappearance in late WWII, with the designs of large cruiser killers like the Alaska-class, the B-65 design of Japan and the Soviet Stalingrad-class, which were armoured against 203 mm shells and given 305/310 mm guns to outclass any existing heavy cruisers. I'd be doubtful though whether Hindenburg would ever get an upgrade to that though (from what it looks like, she doesn't have any now). It seems more like a 203 mm 4x3 arrangement à la Zao, with the same ROF but slightly greater range and better turret traverse. Might be the standard for Tier X, with Des Moines being special with autoloaders that give 50% higher firing volume per minute.

[Wiochi]

You can check german cruisers stats here. 

 

Tier 10 - it will be fun to play

 

All new ships can be found here

[Mr_Burke]

You can check german cruisers stats here.

 

Tier 10 - it will be fun to play

 

All new ships can be found here

 

The technical details looks good. Does any of those ships beats the Cleveland in pure AA power or just equals it out? Just thought if anyone knew it right off hand.

[Yosencchi]

When Admiral Hipper is VIII. tier so Prinz Eugen will be maybe premium ship with VIII. tier I think. Does anyone have the same opinion?

 

[PaddyOricK]

When Admiral Hipper is VIII. tier so Prinz Eugen will be maybe premium ship with VIII. tier I think. Does anyone have the same opinion?

 

I'd buy Prinz Eugen right away if it was released as a Tier VIII Premium. It is a glorious ship!

[Sille]

So whats the use of Des seeing it can fire 12 cannons whit a 10 second reload and it got longer range and it faster rounds. Not to mention torps.

[von_chom]

So whats the use of Des seeing it can fire 12 cannons whit a 10 second reload and it got longer range and it faster rounds. Not to mention torps.

 

imho DM is best AA and anti DD ship so far, will be used in CWs a lot i guess

[LeeQuid]

Not impressed with the german cruisers.

In this game HE dmg capability and fire chance percentage is the bread and butter of the cruisers.

You get poor and ineffective He shells, you get a poor and ineffective cruiser.

The only ones that look fun in the whole tree are the tier 2 and 5.....other then that....just ineffective HE spamming cruisers with pensacola-esque armour and citadel.

[Cosseria]

Yesterday while playing in my Atago I had a chance to fire some rounds at an Admiral Hipper, probably there for testing, somebody else finished it but it was most rewarding to pound some crap on a brand new ship

She had good ROF and accuracy however and the duel was evenly balanced.

[Nefczi]

Not impressed with the german cruisers.

In this game HE dmg capability and fire chance percentage is the bread and butter of the cruisers.

You get poor and ineffective He shells, you get a poor and ineffective cruiser.

The only ones that look fun in the whole tree are the tier 2 and 5.....other then that....just ineffective HE spamming cruisers with pensacola-esque armour and citadel.

 

Thats the problem, all guys throwing german cruisers gameplay vids on YT, are spamming HE, while its clearly innefective in case of those german guns. But the AP on the other hand seems to be doing a lot of damage, even to battleships(seen those 203mm german guns doing 5-7k AP damage per salvo to Iowa/ Tripitz without citadels, in one of the vids, from DezGamez or Phly, i dont remember ). Maybe its becouse of the velocity/flat arc. But it seems like those german guns may be much more effective with AP than 203mm US/IJN guns.

[aboomination]

doing 5-7k AP damage per salvo to Iowa/ Tripitz without citadels

 

I did 7k AP dmg per salvo to a Yamato with my Pepsi. This doesn't make those AP shells a great choice vs Yamatos, tho.

 

[Hanszeehock]

 

The technical details looks good. Does any of those ships beats the Cleveland in pure AA power or just equals it out? Just thought if anyone knew it right off hand.

 

I've been testing the German cruisers. The AA is very weak on all but the T10. They do not have the AA consumable ability either.

[Wujek_Grabarz]

I like proposed German designs... and "paper ships" but as far as my knowledge goes I am unable to locate and recognize designs on  "Roon" "Yorck" and "Hindenburg" was based. And "Yorck" definitely don't look like "M" line on ships... I'm adding some scans from proposed line of German CL from 1938.

 

So if anyone is recognize something in those 3 ships lease give me some info. Thx

[Exocet6951]

 

I've been testing the German cruisers. The AA is very weak on all but the T10. They do not have the AA consumable ability either.

 

But don't they have a lot of 3.5-4km range AA batteries, such as the 3.7cm and 5.5cm guns?

The raw numbers might not be impressive, but if you can boost them to open fire at the same range as the 127mm DPAA on other ships, you might have a proto-Des Moines situation going on.

[Fluffy_Pillow]

I look forward to trying the German cruisers. I like AP on the IJN and if the guns are anything like the IJN cruiser guns i will like them. I am not so concerned about the lack of AA at the moment since the reward for shooting down aircraft's is so low. It merely for self defense purpose which i think is a pity and it leaves the US cruisers with a slightly  ambiguous role at the moment. Good play for the team should be rewarded but that's all covered in a different thread.

[Sander93]

From what I've seen in videos the German higher tiers look very mediocre, and I don't see any reason to take them over the Japanese. 

I had hopes there would be a test server so we could actually try them out, but with each passing day that hope diminishes. After the USN cruiser fiasco I won't easily start grinding another cruiser tree.

 

I guess I'll leave my gold, credits and free XP for the German battleships. If the tier 9-10 are anything like the Tirpitz-but-bigger they're guaranteed to be fun. 

 

[holyman2084]

So Im seeing the armor will  be a stink at higher tiers. Does anybody know how Yorck compares to Pensacola in terms of armor thickness? 

[Historynerd]

There was a discussion on a thread about British cruisers, and it was realised was that when it comes to heavy cruisers Britain has exactly three classes (Hawkins, County & York, York being a lighter version of the County), so we came to the conclusion that we either go with CLs the entire way (which Britain can probably do, there's a lot of RN light cruiser classes), or put the more lightly armed battlecruisers as high tier "cruisers" (by more lightly armed, we mean 343 mm and below, with 356 mm+ battlecruisers being classed as battleships in game).

 

I disagree.

In the first place, I believe there might be some paper designs that could help make up the difference, in terms of heavy cruisers.

Secondly, I think it's just ridicolous to put battlecruisers up to HMS Tiger (because those were the last ones with 343 mm guns) in the cruiser line, while it seems that there is a real chance that classes such as the Scharnhorst, with their 280 mm guns, will be classified as BBs.

Also, although German battlecruisers tended to be better protected than their British counterparts, we should remember that this did not mean their protection was on the same scale of the corresponding German battleships; if we look at armor thickness, this is rather evident. I don't mean that with this we cannot use them in the BB tree, of course, I also believe they would fit very well in there; however, I don't feel that just because of their inferior protection we cannot likewise consider the British battlecruisers for the British BB tree.

These are just my opinions, though.

[mr3awsome]

I like proposed German designs... and "paper ships" but as far as my knowledge goes I am unable to locate and recognize designs on  "Roon" "Yorck" and "Hindenburg" was based. And "Yorck" definitely don't look like "M" line on ships... I'm adding some scans from proposed line of German CL from 1938.

 

So if anyone is recognize something in those 3 ships lease give me some info. Thx

 

Roon is Entwurf I/10. Yorck and Hindenburg are believed to be fakes. 

 

I disagree.

In the first place, I believe there might be some paper designs that could help make up the difference, in terms of heavy cruisers.

Secondly, I think it's just ridicolous to put battlecruisers up to HMS Tiger (because those were the last ones with 343 mm guns) in the cruiser line, while it seems that there is a real chance that classes such as the Scharnhorst, with their 280 mm guns, will be classified as BBs.

Also, although German battlecruisers tended to be better protected than their British counterparts, we should remember that this did not mean their protection was on the same scale of the corresponding German battleships; if we look at armor thickness, this is rather evident. I don't mean that with this we cannot use them in the BB tree, of course, I also believe they would fit very well in there; however, I don't feel that just because of their inferior protection we cannot likewise consider the British battlecruisers for the British BB tree.

These are just my opinions, though.

 

There are plenty of British heavy cruiser designs to supplement the five that were actually built. 

Tiger as a tier 10 cruiser would be absurd, you are absolutely correct. 

Whilst German BCs do have good protection, its not really anything that puts them far above their British peers. It didn't help Lutzow, Seydlitz or Derrflinger. 

British BCs will be a key part of their battleship section, providing some of the best looking (Tiger & Admiral) and effective ships.

To put them anywhere else would be ridiculous.