CV experience = epic shite

[JohnHenry]

Here are some of the highlights of low tier CV gameplay I collected so far.

Air combat degenerates into stomp enemy aircraft with your fighters or get stomped. No skill involved. At best engage and disengage to start the tier 3 "skill".

Facing higher tier cv = instant loss. Just quit the battle at the start and do something else.

Rewards for shooting down aircraft are epic fail. Downing 40 aircraft with tier 4 CV for 700 xp.

The ship ability to carry a game is 0.

 

Now that the beta ended and this is the full release. All I can think of is working as intended ^tm.

[fnord_disc]

CVs can carry games hard, mate...

[Userext]

Player Average for ShipClasses without PremiumShips (all players) [ at 2015/09/12 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	10573	256517	24.26	47.61	6.08	46.30	3323	46365	0.70	2.08	0.47	1.33	47.49	1.53	25932
1	Higher Tier	CA	15138	289143	19.10	47.91	6.18	45.90	3096	31694	0.63	2.15	0.56	1.43	34.09	1.08	24496
1	Higher Tier	CV	4700	91358	19.44	47.27	6.88	45.85	4711	50956	0.77	18.15	0.17	1.97	68.73	2.77	33027
1	Higher Tier	DD	6223	140605	22.59	48.13	5.92	45.96	2795	27345	0.63	0.40	1.17	0.97	32.67	1.08	29861
2	Lower Tier	BB	164569	2088162	12.69	47.40	4.74	47.86	1714	24314	0.59	0.53	0.77	1.58	34.62	1.00	19487
2	Lower Tier	CA	204168	2937196	14.39	47.64	3.96	48.40	1640	20054	0.62	0.56	0.67	1.63	21.53	0.86	20494
2	Lower Tier	CV	62509	657078	10.51	46.61	5.68	47.71	2094	27724	0.56	10.40	0.16	1.02	51.09	1.18	25570
2	Lower Tier	DD	139373	1669247	11.98	47.87	3.57	48.56	1503	17545	0.66	0.10	0.73	0.65	18.59	0.88	24224

 

 

Yeah totaly CVs dont earn exp at all

BTW if you are divisioning a tier higher than you in your CV then dont blame teh game here

[JohnHenry]

Player Average for ShipClasses without PremiumShips (all players) [ at 2015/09/12 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	10573	256517	24.26	47.61	6.08	46.30	3323	46365	0.70	2.08	0.47	1.33	47.49	1.53	25932
1	Higher Tier	CA	15138	289143	19.10	47.91	6.18	45.90	3096	31694	0.63	2.15	0.56	1.43	34.09	1.08	24496
1	Higher Tier	CV	4700	91358	19.44	47.27	6.88	45.85	4711	50956	0.77	18.15	0.17	1.97	68.73	2.77	33027
1	Higher Tier	DD	6223	140605	22.59	48.13	5.92	45.96	2795	27345	0.63	0.40	1.17	0.97	32.67	1.08	29861
2	Lower Tier	BB	164569	2088162	12.69	47.40	4.74	47.86	1714	24314	0.59	0.53	0.77	1.58	34.62	1.00	19487
2	Lower Tier	CA	204168	2937196	14.39	47.64	3.96	48.40	1640	20054	0.62	0.56	0.67	1.63	21.53	0.86	20494
2	Lower Tier	CV	62509	657078	10.51	46.61	5.68	47.71	2094	27724	0.56	10.40	0.16	1.02	51.09	1.18	25570
2	Lower Tier	DD	139373	1669247	11.98	47.87	3.57	48.56	1503	17545	0.66	0.10	0.73	0.65	18.59	0.88	24224

 

 

Yeah totaly CVs dont earn exp at all

BTW if you are divisioning a tier higher than you in your CV then dont blame teh game here

 

The game puts me in a room with better cv, I blame the person who coded it, hence the game.

[LooneyBin]

havent seen a unbalanced match yet regarding CV's, not since that patch came along with mirror MM...

[Userext]

The game puts me in a room with better cv, I blame the person who coded it, hence the game.

 

The game normally doesnt put you against high tier CV. There is a mirror system in game. 

[JohnHenry]

 

The game normally doesnt put you against high tier CV. There is a mirror system in game. 

 

Tier 4 + tier 5 against tier 4 + tier 5. Sounds like I am facing better cv with no way to avoiding its superior aircraft. Next?

[Userext]

Tier 4 + tier 5 against tier 4 + tier 5. Sounds like I am facing better cv with no way to avoiding its superior aircraft. Next?

 

Thats normal MM if you cant take that well you might aswell quit playing or try mario games because the future games are not going to be easy

[LooneyBin]

 

Tier 4 + tier 5 against tier 4 + tier 5. Sounds like I am facing better cv with no way to avoiding its superior aircraft. Next?

 

ohh BUUHUUUU.

so, a CA/BB/DD being in a match with ships 1-2 tier above them, should they start crying aswell??

Hell, all of the other classes can meet ships 3 tiers above them, so CV's have it easy in that regard.

[Kenliero]

It is kind of funny stuff to hear you cant make any xp with CV.... clearly they need to be buffed! I am sure also Userext agrees with me here... come on, back me up

 

Yes, it's fair to have tier 5 and 4 against similar pair.

 

Now just try and learn to play carrier properly first, before blaming the game. No one is master right out of the bat.

[JohnHenry]

BB can angle, use terrain to sneak up. CV can do none of that. If you are so stupid that you don't realize the basic principles, don't bother posting. Please.

[LooneyBin]

BB can angle, use terrain to sneak up. CV can do none of that. If you are so stupid that you don't realize the basic principles, don't bother posting. Please.

 

so a CV is just a stationary Airfield???

i mean, a CV doesn't have a engine, or a rudder??

C'mon dude, get real here.

[Kenliero]

I think OP is right though. we need to buff CV, so that you can angle that airfield...

 

 

ROFL..... I am laughing so hard

[Userext]

Are you a troll or are you really thinking... i am about to burst in laughter. Could you speak a bit more please

[devorrio]

 

John, don't "next" us. Some of us are in our 30's. You lose some, you win some. If you're tier 4 and your buddy is tier 5, both CV's; against other T4&5, you need to work together (ask him that) and combine your forcesm tag along with what he's attacking. You really need, well "sometimes", to put some effort into these games if you want to win. Find a way around your so called problem, ask, learn, adapt, overcome, WIN.

[LooneyBin]

I think OP is right though. we need to buff CV, so that you can angle that airfield...

 

 

ROFL..... I am laughing so hard

 

Dno why, but everytime i see your name, then i start thinking about:

[KptStrzyga]

I`m not going to post anything here. I don`t want to get warning point for insults and seeing how OP is responding to others this is where this discussion is going.

[Diedel]

I`m not going to post anything here. I don`t want to get warning point for insults and seeing how OP is responding to others this is where this discussion is going.

 

You can't argue anything about CV, this is just like in WoT with arty where everybody just rushes in to get it killed forever, no Argument will help with that.

 

 

Most of the games have a Tier spread with CV and the lower Tier CV can just pray that it doesn't run into any of the higher tiers planes, because a t4 IJN fighter squad won't even kill one US TD before it dies. Though the same can be sad for non-ugraded planes. The CV balances is just total crap, but what did we expect from the guys that decided to creat WoT extreme on water.

[KptStrzyga]

Nope, I must be stronk, don`t get drawn into pointless discussion with someone who has his mind fixed so hard that he can`t see how easier than other classes are carriers....

 

[Kenliero]

In a serious note though...

 

John. CV is a very powerful ship, but it requires some practicing.

 

You are not going to get amazing results just by sending your fighters to kill enemy fighters.

This game is about sinking ships, and by sinking ships you win games.

Don't believe anyone who tells you to use million fighters. it's bullcrap. Use bombers, and be SMART about moving them around. Trick your enemies, Lure your enemies to wrong side of the map, so that you get past their defenses and out of the shadows quickly nuke the slow, big battleship. It requires some fast action to be ahead of your enemy carrier all than time, and hide your bombers. Keep them safe. Or sacrifice some of them, in order to let others through.

You might spend minutes to circle around, trying to find a way to get through enemy lines, but when you do, you are the devil himself who rains destruction on them, and then they come to this forum and whine how you are so overpowered.

 

It requires PRACTICE to be faster, cleverer and sneaky with your planes, but once you learn, it is the most powerful class in the game.

[Diedel]

In a serious note though...

 

John. CV is a very powerful ship, but it requires some practicing.

 

You are not going to get amazing results just by sending your fighters to kill enemy fighters.

This game is about sinking ships, and by sinking ships you win games.

Don't believe anyone who tells you to use million fighters. it's bullcrap. Use bombers, and be SMART about moving them around. Trick your enemies, Lure your enemies to wrong side of the map, so that you get past their defenses and out of the shadows quickly nuke the slow, big battleship. It requires some fast action to be ahead of your enemy carrier all than time, and hide your bombers. Keep them safe. Or sacrifice some of them, in order to let others through.

You might spend minutes to circle around, trying to find a way to get through enemy lines, but when you do, you are the devil himself who rains destruction on them, and then they come to this forum and whine how you are so overpowered.

 

It requires PRACTICE to be faster, cleverer and sneaky with your planes, but once you learn, it is the most powerful class in the game.

 

You are right, but a lot of that goes out the window when you are un-ungraded, under-tiered or even both, because the difference is just far to big. The difference between just to upgraded and non-upgraded langley fighter is between even match and you loose to squads to kill one plane. The whole CV is an interesting idea, jsut in a lot of things not thought through at all. The same goes for the Speed, when you can't even provide air-support and your planes by to even t4 AA fire in seconds.

[KptStrzyga]

In a serious note? Ok, serious it is.

I played 1k games in CBT, after wipe (technically as a reroll) 500 games more. And then I tried carriers for the first time and after playing them for two days this is how my recen stats looked like:

As you can see: 

Average dmg - doubled.

Kill/destroy ratio - from 1.5 to 5.5 rofl.

Kills - doubled.

Average exp - 500 higher.

And it was after 2 days. Before patch which fixed CV`s MM, when you were meeting two tiers higher carriers sometimes.

 

So tell me: am I some kind of genious who can play carriers like a boss without learning it for weeks, or are they in fact much easier to play then anything else? 

[RepSrb]

I think OP is right though. we need to buff CV, so that you can angle that airfield...

 

 

ROFL..... I am laughing so hard

 

ofcourse they need to get it back prepatch .

i usually play cv when i come home stressed and angry from work ...

 

then i log in ,go into game , look up my destroy button ,and after poore innocent victim viggles left and right helplessly ,while i laugh my face off , and hearing that all fammiliar"" target destroyed"" sound + few devastating strike -confederate-high caliber- detonation -medals... i do this  for the rest of the day ...

and everything is picture perfect

 

...and i usually come to forums to check up on new CV OP topics started , where i write "cvs are not overpowered learn to play noob + enter " , then i do this for the rest of the day....

[Kenliero]

My first impressions was that US fighters just nuke everything, and it was frustrating...

 

I was wrong, in thinking that way.

 

Once I got to know carriers better. Nowadays I don't really care about fighters.... Fighters(if you have any) are only used to LOCK the enemy fighters to battle, so that you can get your bombers through. It does not really matter which side wins the fighter battle, if your bombers are already through and killing a ship, while fighters were locked into each other in the middle. Only killing a ship is the thing that matters.

 

If you think it's too hard to play with bombers, and you want "easy mode", then go ahead, use fighters.... and even use USN fighters to have some upper hand... but you are not winning games often, and you are not doing serious damage to ships in that "easy mode". If you want good results, you need to play in "hard mode", give up some air-to-air power and focus on killing ships instead.

 

Playing carrier in low tiers, is actually very easy. In higher tiers, you need to really think when and where you send your ships, because most enemies have good AntiAirArtillery, and you have more fleets to control.

Like KptStrzyga wrote above. Learning basics is pretty easy and you can immediately get good results, already in low tiers. It takes just few games.

Of course, when he played those games, it was previous patches and little bit easier, but it has not changed dramatically.

 

You need to stay behind your fleet. Do not go to frontline, or you will die very fast. Try to stay behind ships that have good AA, when you progress to higher tiers. Keeping your carrier mostly behind cruisers is your best basic strategy.

[Warhawk1984]

i play in a bogue a tier 5 Us carrier and i play strike 2 dive bomber 1 torpedo, it makes me play smart or at least try to  with no fighters at all i need to chose my target carefully because a tier 4 fighter squad will still kick my butt.

 

so the steps i go through are quite simple.

 

1 where are the enemy aircraft

2 can i hit a target before there aircraft can engage mine

3 safe route for return ( flying over allied ships with some AA)

4 this 1 gets me lots of fighter kills bait fighters over my carrier and use focus fire from my aa to wreck there squads (some risk to this as you will be lit up)