How come EVERYONE else gets consumables but CVs?.....not fair

[Colossamite]

How come EVERYONE else gets consumables but CVs?.....not fair is it

how about it WG.....

 

Compared to lets say DD's, they got atleast ice cream 

[AgarwaenME]

 

My problem with carriers in general is that you're basically the sadistic kid with a magnifying glass frying ants. My problem with people who sail carriers is that they expect me to be completely fine with them parking in the corner to play an RTS game and polluting my gaming experience in the process. That sort of game play is for carebears too afraid of accepting that to inflict damage, you must accept a certain risk of receiving damage. I am not the one with the childish attitude here. 

 

So, you keep throwing out generalisations and clueless whines and expect to be considered as anything but a child? Interesting...

[HerrMansen]

What CVs need is the ability for the AI to take over - Maybe then at least they won't hide in a corner, engines off all match. 

 

[Martinborgen]

 

So, you keep throwing out generalisations and clueless whines and expect to be considered as anything but a child? Interesting...

 

My post might be a generalization of the average carrier player - one that I'm willing to make, as I'm confident that it's quite accurate. However, it is - neither a clueless post, nor a whine. It is a statement as to why I dislike CV gameplay and why I think it's polluting the game for everyone else. YOU however, have written the same unprecise sweeping post two times now, without any actual point, without any actual argument for your cause. 

[AgarwaenME]

 

My post might be a generalization of the average carrier player - one that I'm willing to make, as I'm confident that it's quite accurate. However, it is - neither a clueless post, nor a whine. It is a statement as to why I dislike CV gameplay and why I think it's polluting the game for everyone else. YOU however, have written the same unprecise sweeping post two times now, without any actual point, without any actual argument for your cause. 

 

Dunning-Kruger again. That's why you're "confident". You have no idea how they actually play, what problems the class of ships have, the bugs causing problems, the endless nerfs, nor how a CV can be completely taken out of a battle nearly before the game has started. You've played a few low tier battles in BBs, and been sunk because you're new, and thus still bad and clueless, and you need some stupid excuse to cover your personal bias.

 

Even more laughable when it comes from someone that seems to favour the class that requires the smallest level of skill and awareness in the game.

 

And again, you've yet to make any actual argument beyond "WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH MOMMY THE BAD CV SANK ME AGAIN!!WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!", and simplistic and overused insults we've seen from the BB mafia for quite enough months now.

[Martinborgen]

 

Dunning-Kruger again. That's why you're "confident". You have no idea how they actually play, what problems the class of ships have, the bugs causing problems, the endless nerfs, nor how a CV can be completely taken out of a battle nearly before the game has started. You've played a few low tier battles in BBs, and been sunk because you're new, and thus still bad and clueless, and you need some stupid excuse to cover your personal bias.

 

Even more laughable when it comes from someone that seems to favour the class that requires the smallest level of skill and awareness in the game.

 

And again, you've yet to make any actual argument beyond "WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH MOMMY THE BAD CV SANK ME AGAIN!!WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!", and simplistic and overused insults we've seen from the BB mafia for quite enough months now.

 

Ah, you just look me up, see that I haven't played any carriers, and assume that I have no understanding whatsoever. Now, I let me tell you that I am arguing against the very concept of carrier in this game, the rest is inconsequential to my point. You just assume that I haven't looked up how carriers play, that I'm a crybaby BB player, and have no idea of what I'm talking about - yet I haven't written ANYTHING of the sort. You are making a straw-man argument, and simply dismissing my point based on your prejudice on what kind of player I am - and completely ignoring the points I made. Don't think I'm completely unaware of the bugs with spreads, intricacy of the drops, arm times and the mechanics of the carrier game play (in fact, after fist getting owned by carriers, I devoted quite some time to understand their mechanics). I am still of the firm belief that a class who inflicts damage in such an asymmetrical way as a carrier does is wrong, lame, and generally polluting to the game. Now I do understand the reasons to have them in the game, although it can be argued that since the carrier basically ended the ship to ship-combat which the game is built around they should be omitted, I won't make that argument, and I am willing to live with them in the game (otherwise I would have stopped playing). However, I still think they're lame, and if you love to play carriers in this game, I have just explained, and motivated, why you are lame. 

 

As a side note, it's my personal opinion that the planes shouldn't be able to turn on the spot (more or less), and manual torpedo drop is able to achieve drops too close to a ship. Not overly so, but still too close. 

[AgarwaenME]

 

Ah, you just look me up, see that I haven't played any carriers, and assume that I have no understanding whatsoever. Now, I let me tell you that I am arguing against the very concept of carrier in this game, the rest is inconsequential to my point. You just assume that I haven't looked up how carriers play, that I'm a crybaby BB player, and have no idea of what I'm talking about - yet I haven't written ANYTHING of the sort. You are making a straw-man argument, and simply dismissing my point based on your prejudice on what kind of player I am - and completely ignoring the points I made. Don't think I'm completely unaware of the bugs with spreads, intricacy of the drops, arm times and the mechanics of the carrier game play (in fact, after fist getting owned by carriers, I devoted quite some time to understand their mechanics). I am still of the firm belief that a class who inflicts damage in such an asymmetrical way as a carrier does is wrong, lame, and generally polluting to the game. Now I do understand the reasons to have them in the game, although it can be argued that since the carrier basically ended the ship to ship-combat which the game is built around they should be omitted, I won't make that argument, and I am willing to live with them in the game (otherwise I would have stopped playing). However, I still think they're lame, and if you love to play carriers in this game, I have just explained, and motivated, why you are lame. 

 

As a side note, it's my personal opinion that the planes shouldn't be able to turn on the spot (more or less), and manual torpedo drop is able to achieve drops too close to a ship. Not overly so, but still too close. 

 

It's so cute that a guy that does nothing but trashtalk a class of ship in a game as if there's something intrinsincly wrong with it, thinks he can try to turn it around and pretend others aren't arguing as grown ups, and accuse others of being prejudicial. Then you call everyone that likes to play that class of ships "lame", as if that's an argument. I have a word for you to learn, it's "hypocrisy".

 

It's my "personal opinion" that BBs should accellerate and decellerate like speed bikes, nor be landinging shots with the pinpoint accuracy they do, but that doesn't mean I think the class is "lame" or that people playing them are "lame". Maybe I don't use that word because I'm not 12, but well...

 

You might want to check one of multiple threads that shows it's infact not merely CVs that are ahead in damage, but BBs are just as imbalanced (if merely comparing damage is a usable metric even).

[Luckyio]

 

BB mafia gameplay:

 

Aim. Give lead. Fire. Erase enemies. Gloat when you do well, and laugh when you do 50k damage in a salvo. Cry bitter tears when something dares to hurt you back, or when you can't win domination battles by sitting 20km from the cap zone (as eminently proven by the posts already popping up today).

 

Then spend pend more time on the forums demanding nerfs to anything that can hurt you, asking for "realism" whenever it would suit your bias and ignoring it when it doesn't, use statistics when it suits you, ignore the same statistics when it doesn't. Hypocrisy isn't a problem, it's the solution.

 

It's "balanced" that CAs get sunk by 1-2 citadels from 5km+ beyond their own max range where they cannot fight back. It's "imbalanced" when a CV can fire at you from beyond your range, even if it's far easier to avoid planes that BB AP.

 

It's "balanced" that you can kill CAs in a single salvo (or two if you're unlucky) but it's "imbalanced" that if a CA can keep firing at you for 2-3 minutes then you might actually sink.

 

It's "balanced" when your secondaries can kill and cripple DDs with no skill based effort from you but it's "imbalanced" that torps cab be fired from beyond your vision and that takes 30-60 seconds to reach you where a small adjustment to course will put them off target, and that does especially low damage to you and that you can easily survive and that have far lower ROF than your guns.

 

BB mafia in a nutshell; it's far more efficient to whine on the forums than to improve your gameplay.

 

But I like BBs. They burn so prettily, and then I help them put out the fires with my torpedoes!

 

And most of them are nice and just rub it off on me, as long as I wiggle my bum at them nicely.

 

Signed main IJN cruiser pilot.

[AgarwaenME]

 

But I like BBs. They burn so prettily, and then I help them put out the fires with my torpedoes!

 

And most of them are nice and just rub it off on me, as long as I wiggle my bum at them nicely.

 

Signed main IJN cruiser pilot.

 

I'll await you discovering how that goes past t6.

[Martinborgen]

 

It's so cute that a guy that does nothing but trashtalk a class of ship in a game as if there's something intrinsincly wrong with it, thinks he can try to turn it around and pretend others aren't arguing as grown ups, and accuse others of being prejudicial. Then you call everyone that likes to play that class of ships "lame", as if that's an argument. I have a word for you to learn, it's "hypocrisy".

 

It's my "personal opinion" that BBs should accellerate and decellerate like speed bikes, nor be landinging shots with the pinpoint accuracy they do, but that doesn't mean I think the class is "lame" or that people playing them are "lame". Maybe I don't use that word because I'm not 12, but well...

 

You might want to check one of multiple threads that shows it's infact not merely CVs that are ahead in damage, but BBs are just as imbalanced (if merely comparing damage is a usable metric even).

 

I have argued for it with arguments, while you however have not. I'm not saying battleships are perfectly balanced, so this is another of your assumptions. You mark words, accuse me of being 12 - I will refrain from commenting on your spelling. I have motivated why I think like I do, you have simply invoked your right to call people whatever you want (freedom of speech and all that), but I am woefully unimpressed by this streak of disdaining comments from you, adding nothing to the discussion, and since this is going very OT, I'm going to spend my night doing something else. 

[AgarwaenME]

 

I have argued for it with arguments, while you however have not. I'm not saying battleships are perfectly balanced, so this is another of your assumptions. You mark words, accuse me of being 12 - I will refrain from commenting on your spelling. I have motivated why I think like I do, you have simply invoked your right to call people whatever you want (freedom of speech and all that), but I am woefully unimpressed by this streak of disdaining comments from you, adding nothing to the discussion, and since this is going very OT, I'm going to spend my night doing something else. 

 

No, you're confusing "random insults and generalizations based on nothing but personal bias" for arguments, and they're not.

 

And there really is no end to your hypocrisy is there.

[Luckyio]

 

I'll await you discovering how that goes past t6.

 

 

Better than now I imagine, seeing how I often get matched against T7 and occasional Depitz spam T8 right now. Would be nice not to be underpowered in terms of gunnery for a change.

 

That said, it's not like it's stopping me from scoring decently well even in those games due to not sucking.

[Suranis1]

BBs can click a map if they want to. They can go on autopilot and Map out waypoints same as a carrier can. So you don't even have to manually steer when you are lining up those citadels!

[Luckyio]

BBs can click a map if they want to. They can go on autopilot and Map out waypoints same as a carrier can. So you don't even have to manually steer when you are lining up those citadels!

Indeed. That will line your citadels nicely for the enemy.