anonym_GKEljZAsgbBN Players 72 posts Report post #101 Posted September 17, 2015 We can get angry at the community staff all day long, but in reality the marketing team are the people who need to start giving some answers. They are the ones putting up the current "scam deal" up in the shop, selling Tirpitz for 70 euros, and making this release as dull as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpiris Weekend Tester 204 posts Report post #102 Posted September 17, 2015 I was waiting few thing for today and we got fewer than I expected. It feels like the game was born almost dead - or WG bosses expect nothing for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brynd Players 202 posts 74 battles Report post #103 Posted September 17, 2015 So, if i understood Brynd here, streamer stuff that appeared on few posts here and there incidentally linked with "launch" is just some "extra" . You personally don't like the streaming stuff, I get it. Then leave it for those who do like that kind of thing. Sorry if posting it here has upset you personally. However, there are other people in the forum, and some might appreciate the heads up. And that colossal marketing gem "release itself is cool" . Obviously I'm not a marketing guy. I'm just trying to make some sense of the situation: that there's a disconnect between some people's expectations and what we intended. Again, i do not give a damn about discount this and gimme free all, i like the game and for as long it is entertaining to me i will spend money on it, but i am honestly in shock and awe regarding "staff" attitude after not even bothering to make tiny effort to try to mention release even on a elementary school fansite level.. I actually don't really understand your point here. Can you try again with different words? Why release in that matter anyway? Why not just remove "beta" tag after last patch and not say a thing... Well we kinda did that... except we did "say a thing." So... If I understand it correctly, we should be grateful that we were the *chosen* guinea pigs for the game, and after all the labor, time, money (for premium in a Beta) we spent testing your product, we should be happy that it is now deemed OK enough to be released to the full public, all due to our hard, unrewarded (except for virtual ingame progress) devotion and work. If you are not aware in advance that beta testing is not all fun and games, that there's testing and giving feedback and as you say it "time and labor," then I am sorry that you didn't realise this. If you are not happy with beta testing a game and having the early access as the reward? Personally, I would find myself reconsidering my interest in beta testing if I had other expectations. But of course we are thankful people tested before release. Your still not listening. Your just trying to defending why WG eu has done a fail on a day they could do soo much more. Oh, we're listening. We're company representatives though, so you won't be seeing me here criticizing what we're doing. I've already acknowledged we're aware there's a disconnect between some player expectations and our delivery. But I will not place a judgement on that: we've got the feedback. I don't have some secret goodies in my pocket to temporarily placate those who aren't happy. As a caring person, I'm sorry some people aren't happy. But I'm happy though that some people are just playing the game and having fun. We have a lot of cool stuff planned now that the World of Warships adventure has begun. For some, the cool stuff is here right now. For others like maybe yourself, the cool stuff will come here and there over time like it has for other games like World of Tanks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tacomaco Players 82 posts 2,010 battles Report post #104 Posted September 17, 2015 I've got a bunch of premium ships to be giving away Isn't Wargaming's job when they launch a new game? This game launch looks like WG build a new ships outside the "Disarmament treaty" and what to keep it secret. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brynd Players 202 posts 74 battles Report post #105 Posted September 17, 2015 Isn't Wargaming's job when they launch a new game? This game launch looks like WG build a new ships outside the "Disarmament treaty" and what to keep it secret. Unless he's referring to some others - which I doubt, then he's most likely referring to the ships we are providing to him and the other streamers and YouTubers we mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GRNPA] avenger121 Beta Tester 1,296 posts 10,330 battles Report post #106 Posted September 17, 2015 Well, there's the x3 weekend. Whoa, it's a tough crowd... Looking at WoT where we get x3 specials just for nothing, to "get back on track after the summer laziness", http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/pc-browser/44/September-x3weekly-week1/, this is extremly disappointing for release, "tough crowd", yep, ...................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-BY-] RAZ0RLIGHT Players 170 posts 3,487 battles Report post #107 Posted September 17, 2015 i really dont know why you havent wait for the next big patch to "release" the game (and lets be honest the REAL release was the start of the open beta) right now it seems you just rushed everything to get the Beta work in progress sentence out of the game for no logical reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
startrek89 Players 3 posts 625 battles Report post #108 Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) My personal problem is not the very unexciting "Launch" of the game but actually the misleading information given in the news post. I was expecting to see the Tirpitz and the Warspite in the Premstore after reading that they are playable in the game. Just because they were buyable way back during beta you can not just tell everyone in your launch massage that they are playable. That is very misleading. You could actually call it lying. Edited September 17, 2015 by startrek89 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LO1] Tugnut Alpha Tester 1,552 posts 8,125 battles Report post #109 Posted September 17, 2015 I've got a bunch of premium ships to be giving away, with details of the contest where you can get a chance of winning one of them due to be released in a video this Sunday! no problem there mr jingles. You shown wows a lot of your time and effort. But some of the other names are due to there high numbers in tank viewer's. And there ship battle count is well not great. And how many ships will be won by tankers that wont really play that much :/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Crysantos WG Staff 3,754 posts 17,657 battles Report post #110 Posted September 17, 2015 Well, I didn't expect much since (for me personally) the OBT release was the real big deal - whoever expected huge things when this game got "officially" released as f2p game... don't know what you expected. I hope WG is investing some effort in more PR and ads for WoWS, the more players, the better for all of us. I don't want free ships, Albany or Arkansas Beta have been pretty disappointing ships. I rather have a WG team that's focused on balance, performance and new content than free stuff. Keep up the good work and I hope the new EU community team is able to compete with the NA team when it comes to events (ingame!!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #111 Posted September 17, 2015 But the streaming stuff isn't really meant to be a big deal, we just advertised it here in case others were interested in joining in for a chance to win something. It's just a little extra thing the community team wanted to do. "Where's the cool launch stuff?" I think the main idea is that the release itself is what is cool. That's how it is for me and pretty much every other other game that I love: it's the release itself that I wait for and am excited about, I don't care about extra bonuses, I just want to play the game. WTF did i just read? "Little extra"? Extra to what? WoT have bigger events every single damn week. On top of that, a frigging big number patch that literally changes nothing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, when the devs work like paralytic snails already while there are serious issues at hand, and game is still devoid of any endgame and barebones in the other content department. With such "main ideas" seriously, i wish you luck with this game. You will need every ounce of it. We have a lot of cool stuff planned now that the World of Warships adventure has begun. Isn't Ectar already told us this over and over again? On every possible occasion when other servers got something and we don't? On every occasion when he was asked what are you doing? FFS EVEN MOBILE CRAP MMO'S HAVE WAY, WAY MORE EVERYTHING THAN WOWS. Except ships. But don't push your luck wargaming, you may someday put the one straw too much and the back will break. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[D-A-G] Valorian73 Players 2 posts 5,724 battles Report post #112 Posted September 17, 2015 "Oh, we're listening." No, i think usually listening to the community is surely of interest to Wargaming. But sometimes i think they have a real communications and transparency issue. I can totally understand that not any change to balancing, game mechanics and so on can be discussed with the community. That isn't even necessary. But I think they sometimes forget that the center of their efforts in making any type of game should be to give the players at least something that is close to their expectations. My advice would be: Listen to the players, they carry the game and they will only invest time and money if they think the product is worth both. Listen to what the majority of the players want and change the game accordingly. Even make polls to do so. (Look for example at other developers, as Amplitude Studios and their Endless Space series). Ask yourself: What does a Player expect the moment we announce the game going from beta to the release stadium: Certainly not only the vanishing of the beta stamp! If you want the players to recognize the importance of such a step, do something to make them SEE and FEEL it. Give them ribbons and balloons in the port, give them a tiny one time reward like an achievement or title for playing the game on Launch day..... I could go on and on. It is not giving rewards that is showing the importance of such an event, it is the effort you as a Company put in it to make it SPECIAL. Or in this very sorry case, the COMPLETE LACK of it! That is why in my opinion everybody is unhappy now. World of Warships is not getting the kind of loving care and attention by its own developers that it really deserved. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General_Kunde Players 406 posts 6,494 battles Report post #113 Posted September 17, 2015 Release -> milk the cash cow for a couple of months -> dead game is dead 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #114 Posted September 17, 2015 I am normally a voice of reason but now I am........ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Buck_Kite_ Players 9 posts 3,133 battles Report post #115 Posted September 17, 2015 As a Beta Tester, I feel a little let down by the lack-lustre and nonchalent attitude towards the A & B Testers. I'm not quite sure what I was expecting from the Game Launch, but it was slightly more than what we did get. WG needs reminding that without the A & B Testers.... they do NOT have a viable marketable game and for all our hours of testing and returning feedback questionnaires, one might have at least expected a thank-you email for all our trouble. It seems that even a small thing such as that is beyond the realm of their undstanding. WG had the massive opportunity of redressing their poor Customer Support reputation. Unfortunately, as they seem so often to be able to do, they set theselves a low standard and failed to achieve it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltpastillen ∞ Beta Tester 91 posts 6,985 battles Report post #116 Posted September 17, 2015 http://www.twitch.tv/wargaming/profile Why is this channel not live 24h pr day these days to promote the game? Any reason we have to go track down "civilian" streamers instead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] Senhime Alpha Tester 98 posts 1,955 battles Report post #117 Posted September 17, 2015 "Where's the cool launch stuff?" I think the main idea is that the release itself is what is cool. That's how it is for me and pretty much every other other game that I love: it's the release itself that I wait for and am excited about, I don't care about extra bonuses, I just want to play the game. I like playing the game and love that we can play it without another wipe (which has been true since the start of open beta ...). Being able to call the game fully released on top of that now is the coolest thing ever ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltpastillen ∞ Beta Tester 91 posts 6,985 battles Report post #118 Posted September 17, 2015 Just noticed that it was in fact announced on the NA news portal that wargaming would indeed be streaming on their twitch channel today. The NA "Action stations" news article is rather different than the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metsiss Players 1 post 211 battles Report post #119 Posted September 17, 2015 The most important question is. wtf did we download and where is the changelog? Other than some new premium ships(?), what else was changed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #120 Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) The most important question is. wtf did we download and where is the changelog? Other than some new premium ships(?), what else was changed? Ranked go live and almost all of that download was "new" logging screen movie. EDIT: Scratch it, fake Edited September 17, 2015 by Vanhal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,223 battles Report post #121 Posted September 17, 2015 In the end although my own team is involved with the streamer/YouTuber stuff, and though I'd like to talk purely about that, it's obvious that some of the feedback is about stuff beyond my direct influence. However, I am still a representative of the company so I don't plan to just ignore the other points you and others are making. But the streaming stuff isn't really meant to be a big deal, we just advertised it here in case others were interested in joining in for a chance to win something. It's just a little extra thing the community team wanted to do. We already do work with these streamers regularly and provide prizes here and there. So doing something like this for the launch isn't really surprising. It's certainly not the company's only plan for marketing the game now it is released: we have traditional marketing and PR departments. I suspect though that they're likely to be targeting new players. One point I've seen is from people who have already been beta testing the game that perhaps have a different vision about how the game would be at release. But it wouldn't be right to just release a different version without first testing it - that was what the late part of the open beta was! Playing the game early, in the testing phase - especially just before the release - is basically playing the game as it is intended to be released. So there seems a disconnect here between expectation and delivery. Now, I haven't gone back and read all the news articles and stuff we've posted to see how well we communicated what the game would be like at release, but sure maybe there was more we could have done to help people set expectations. Personally I know that when I beta test a game, especially just prior to release, the release game is going to be pretty much the game I was testing. "Where's the cool launch stuff?" I think the main idea is that the release itself is what is cool. That's how it is for me and pretty much every other other game that I love: it's the release itself that I wait for and am excited about, I don't care about extra bonuses, I just want to play the game. "But... what about cool stuff for open beta testers who are not new to the game today and so are not necessarily feeling the coolness of the actual launch of what they've tested?" The real benefit of open beta testing was already reaped: the obvious big draw being the ability to play the game before September 17. The initial fun you may be expecting from release date is arguably that which you experienced when you first got into the OBT. "But couldn't there be at least a bit more for open beta testers now it's released?" Well, there's the x3 weekend. Whoa, it's a tough crowd... Maybe it's simply not possible to meet everyone's expectations, so it may not matter how much text I type out here for example. It would be hard not to empathise with those who are disappointed (community team members are often noted for their very strong sense of empathy) even knowing logically that beta testing is testing the game as it is intended to be at release. Perhaps this is another point we could have worked on setting expectations for in advance: "the release game is what you're testing, so don't expect it to be somewhat different on release day." Probably more I could say, but I have to get on with other tasks. Dear Brynd, I understand that streaming was not meant to be the big deal, but with such poor additional activities / features (at least here on EU server) it did turn out to be the most noticeable "celebration" activity - and that is very sad. "Release itself is cool" - I would agree if this was actually the release, but let me remind you that the game was already basically released with OBT, so that argument does not hold water. "Maybe it's simply not possible to meet everyone's expectations" - I agree, but please better ask yourself if you met anyone's expectations? I believe you could count those with the number of fingers on one hand... Last but not least, please go and check the announcements. The one that particularly strikes me is http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/premshop/special-wows-release/ - "Party like It´s… World of Warships!" With a x3 event for several days (nice but nothing really that special) and a "special" package which is worth 2.450 doubloons (1250 for premium +1200 for slots) being sold at basically the same price as the standard 2500 doubloon package (i.e. in both cases you get 1 doubloon equivalent for 0,00398 EUR paid - so its almost false advertisement as there are no benefits compared to standard offer), its borderline insulting with such a bombastic title. I know this is going to sound very harsh but after seeing the title and then reading the contents my first thought was that a better title would be "Party like it's... funeral" - guests come to pay respects and you offer them some minimal refreshments and food not because you are grateful that they have come to provide you support, but just because that it is a bare minimum to respect the traditions. I will no longer rant about this failed "launch" specials and I just hope that you will have the strength and courage to convey the feelings from a part of community to your fellow WGEU managers and marketing smartasses. Thanks, Daki 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #122 Posted September 17, 2015 +1 Daki. This morning I had high hopes that they would do something special, even if it was just some new content. I simply could not believe that this was it and the whine threads annoyed me. Now I just cannot understand why the game has been 'released' at all, or that it has been 'launched'. Basically this is an absolute PR disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] Senhime Alpha Tester 98 posts 1,955 battles Report post #123 Posted September 17, 2015 +1 Daki. This morning I had high hopes that they would do something special, even if it was just some new content. I simply could not believe that this was it and the whine threads annoyed me. Now I just cannot understand why the game has been 'released' at all, or that it has been 'launched'. Basically this is an absolute PR disaster. B-but the game being released is special Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PROX] Snortsch Alpha Tester 93 posts 11,843 battles Report post #124 Posted September 17, 2015 Then play. Enjoy the somewhat rare x3 weekend. The streamers and YouTubers we work with already do stuff regularly, they have their own audiences, we're just giving them something a bit extra for the launch period. Only 1.5% as a daily doub..one and a ha...special something is already weird, but x3 is going to be rare in the future oO And you are wondering why people call this launch lame-a$$ ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bug Beta Tester 467 posts 13,407 battles Report post #125 Posted September 17, 2015 They give away prems to some of the players who follow the twitch channel. I dont find it amusing to log into that just to get a freebee. Too old and grumpy, it doesnt fit my selfrespect, lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
