My Two problems with this game's economy.

[Needy_Game]

Good day. I am making this post to talk about what bugs me with this game in regards to it's economy.

 

We dont talk class balance or anything else, we just talk about credits.  I wont compare CV to BB or to CA or CL or a DD, I'm comparing WoT to WoWs in terms of their economy.

 

 

Firstly, premium tier 8's suck for moneymaking.

I bought myself an Atago exactly because I wanted a reliable premium moneymaker that can get me a lots of credits and in the same time train a crew, like with my KV-5 in WoT. What I got? A mediocre ship (i can live with that, KV-5 isnt exactly sunshine either, but its niche at least) that has a goddamn huge repair bill. Ended up buying a Murmansk aswell to be able to grind credits, but I can grind as much credits in a normal tier 5 I think.

 

The point of the Atago? I barely play her. There is simply no need to. What do I get out of it? Nothing. Better play my tier 7 myoko (which is about the same in stats as an Atago) and then transition to a Mogami (which is better)  I am really upset about this, since i paid like a game's worth of credits for just one ship that does not do much really...

 

Can you gess when will be the next time i buy a tier 8 premium? You guessed it, NEVER.

 

Second, tier 8 and upwards economy

 

 I wonder if its the same when I get an Ibuki.

 

 

i have and Ibuki, and its bloody expensive to run, unless your team achieves a stunning victory, or you had a good match, you'll lose money, or make a tiny amount (im using a premium account), upgrading it is even more expensive though 

[Vanhal]

 

yes, that may be correct (especially in my case, I am an Atago owner as well), but the thing is that you can quite easily lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ship (happened to me in my first two or three games with Atago), which could never happen in WoT. you take your premium tank into battle - you earn credits.

 

I played around 1700 battles with my 3 premium 8 tiers, and i (never using premium ammo) lost credits exactly 5 times - once on Type, once on T34 and 3 times on Lowe - remember excactly because this is incredibly rare occurence.

 

Repair cost and overall module/upgrades of ships are artificial road blocks set by WG to hinder your progress in game to hide lack of content.

 

True.

 

Want to bet that WG will fix this issue by nerfing the Murmansk's credit co-efficiency?  

 

I don't want to take a clearly lost bet.

 

 

This isn't WoT. The OP complaint was that he bought the Atago for credit grinding, I think that was mistaken and clearly you agree.

 

But why else you would buy very expensive ship? There are few other options, but don't tell me main reason weren't credit grinding in overwhelming majority of cases. Especially that everyone knows how it work in WoT. And here, surprise, economy is much harsher than in WoT. THAT is not advertised. "Don't buy tier 8 premium ship because unlike WoT it's NOT the superb credit farming machine", nothing like this anywhere.

 

 

The time for nerfing that thing have passed, they should have done that before the wipe.

 

Tell that to Type 59.

 

 

the last time they tried to pull that one on a premium vehicle, they were forced to offer a refund, something which I doubt they want to have to do again (customer satisfaction? Blasphemy!)

 

Tell that to Type 59.

[Userext]

I wonder if any of the stats sites can be mined to indicate if the Murmansk or Atago is better at credits for a given level of skill ?

I fear the Murmansk will be nerfed hard once the Russian cruiser line is out.

 

well

JP

CA

8

Atago

9770

68163

6.98

44.85

7.00

48.15

4665

28881

0.49

1.33

0.45

1.20

26.67

0.67

16772

             

SN

CA

5

Murmansk

11155

92249

8.27

51.60

4.90

43.50

4554

32542

0.91

1.22

0.64

2.00

26.99

1.34

20328

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150912et/average_ship.html

They should buff the income for atago of course. Because murmansk players have on average more damage than atago players which is funny.

Sims was like atago and they had to buff sims' money earning ability. Before 0.4.1 my 20k damage battle in sims ended with net 20k credit made. After 0.4.1 my 20k damage battle ended with net 90k credit made. 

 

Atago players are more likely bad players who dont know how to play this game. This isnt wot type of game. OP for example has tier 7 cruiser with 10-20 battles played. Yes even the bad players at wot will lose money at tier 8 tanks. I dont know why would someone buy tier 8 ship without knowing how tier 8+ battles are. It jsut doesnt make sense for me. Arent you the guys who complain about noob players in tier 8 premiums? Well.... you are one of those who gets blamed.

[Smi2k]

Good day. I am making this post to talk about what bugs me with this game in regards to it's economy.

 

We dont talk class balance or anything else, we just talk about credits.  I wont compare CV to BB or to CA or CL or a DD, I'm comparing WoT to WoWs in terms of their economy.

 

 

Firstly, premium tier 8's suck for moneymaking.

I bought myself an Atago exactly because I wanted a reliable premium moneymaker that can get me a lots of credits and in the same time train a crew, like with my KV-5 in WoT. What I got? A mediocre ship (i can live with that, KV-5 isnt exactly sunshine either, but its niche at least) that has a goddamn huge repair bill. Ended up buying a Murmansk aswell to be able to grind credits, but I can grind as much credits in a normal tier 5 I think.

 

The point of the Atago? I barely play her. There is simply no need to. What do I get out of it? Nothing. Better play my tier 7 myoko (which is about the same in stats as an Atago) and then transition to a Mogami (which is better)  I am really upset about this, since i paid like a game's worth of credits for just one ship that does not do much really...

 

Can you gess when will be the next time i buy a tier 8 premium? You guessed it, NEVER.

 

Second, tier 8 and upwards economy

 

While in this game, as i heard, (because i dont have tier 8 and up except for the Atago) you can barely make a credit in a tier 8 or 9 or 10 ship if you die. In WoT, tier 8 tanks, even some tier 9 tanks like the T-54 i had, even if you regularly die with them, if you are good and at least did something in the battle, can at least reward you. You are not losing credits is what i'm saying. I had a T-54 for a long time in WoT. And I was good with it, 2.2k average damage across at least a thousand battles. And it did not put a dent in my credit fund. I wonder if its the same when I get an Ibuki.

 

While i agree that Tier 8 prems are not as good moneymakers as the Murmansk for example, the thing they are good for is grinding EXP, since the gain is higher then in a Tier 5. So, why should you get them? To get that bit of EXP more, that shortens your grind to skip unwanted ships (New Orleans for me i.e.)

 

Coming to the Economy at tier 8 and up. TBH, its good as it is, you suck, you lose credits, you got good games, you earn, simple as that. In my Des Moines i can net around 100-200k income with a average game, while losing 60-100k for a bad game. This keeps the "bad players" or better call them "not so experienced"  in terms of yoloing or (put in everything you can think about, wich isnt meant as an insult) to just play Tier 10 and also the "better" and "good players" to also play some lower Tiers from time to time so that the queues are constantly filled. 

[Hanszeehock]

But why else you would buy very expensive ship? There are few other options, but don't tell me main reason weren't credit grinding in overwhelming majority of cases. Especially that everyone knows how it work in WoT. And here, surprise, economy is much harsher than in WoT. THAT is not advertised. "Don't buy tier 8 premium ship because unlike WoT it's NOT the superb credit farming machine", nothing like this anywhere.

 

 

Because it's pretty ? Actually some people will just buy premiums because they like the look of them, or they are 'collectors'. My point was that new players should not go straight to T8 with no experience and expect to be able to grind credits. 

[Smi2k]

 

Because it's pretty ? Actually some people will just buy premiums because they like the look of them, or they are 'collectors'. My point was that new players should not go straight to T8 with no experience and expect to be able to grind credits. 

 

Welp, Atago is hella Sexy, was reason enough for me to buy her 

[Andreevson]

 

Welp, Atago is hella Sexy, was reason enough for me to buy her 

 

Yeah thats why i bought her too apart from hoping to make credits.

[Smi2k]

 

Yeah thats why i bought her too apart from hoping to make credits.

 

And thats the point, you DO make good credits in her, but that needs a good performance. Also remember, her EXP gaining rate is higher than that of a Tier 5. But, unlike in WoT for example, where you can perform quite well with few Experience, its a complete different story in WoWs especially in this stage that we are atm, where you got lots of experienced Alpha / Beta testers in the high Tiers, just waiting to farm those poor Atago players wich hoped for good earnings while not even having understood basic shell mechanics etc. Tbh, i aint performing that well with her also, but its not like i ever lost credits with her, it was always in the 150k+ earning range. 

 

So to say, give her some time, get more experienced and maybe wait, till there are more Tier 8+ players around, maybe then, things will change ;)

[Andreevson]

 

And thats the point, you DO make good credits in her, but that needs a good performance. Also remember, her EXP gaining rate is higher than that of a Tier 5. But, unlike in WoT for example, where you can perform quite well with few Experience, its a complete different story in WoWs especially in this stage that we are atm, where you got lots of experienced Alpha / Beta testers in the high Tiers, just waiting to farm those poor Atago players wich hoped for good earnings while not even having understood basic shell mechanics etc. Tbh, i aint performing that well with her also, but its not like i ever lost credits with her, it was always in the 150k+ earning range. 

 

So to say, give her some time, get more experienced and maybe wait, till there are more Tier 8+ players around, maybe then, things will change ;)

 

What is the point of gaining exp on a premium...I dont want to pay even more for converting. I allready paid enough for the premium. Im not a bank.

 

Also, sick of people telling me get more experienced. Im not a damn braindead moron. I understand how this game works thank you.

[Userext]

 

What is the point of gaining exp on a premium...I dont want to pay even more for converting. I allready paid enough for the premium. Im not a bank.

 

Also, sick of people telling me get more experienced. Im not a damn braindead moron. I understand how this game works thank you.

 

if a player in wot would say that with only 500 battles my god the laughs he would get

[Smi2k]

 

What is the point of gaining exp on a premium...I dont want to pay even more for converting. I allready paid enough for the premium. Im not a bank.

 

Also, sick of people telling me get more experienced. Im not a damn braindead moron. I understand how this game works thank you.

 

Did i somewhere accuse you of beeing a Braindead moron? i dont think so. You wanted to know something, i told you my opinion, simple as that, no mental harm done, right? and to answer you question as to "what is the point of ganing exp on a premium ship", i could also ask "what is the point of gaining credits in a premium ship"? just because you say you dont want to convert those gained exp doesnt mean thousand of other players wouldnt while taking the credits they earned with it.

[Andreevson]

 

if a player in wot would say that with only 500 battles my god the laughs he would get

 

If one cant get the handle on WoT or WoWs in 500 games then he should probably find a game better suited for him. Solitaire or Minesweeper. Dunno.

[Tugnut]

Dont buy tell you read a few reviews of said ship :p

[Userext]

If one cant get the handle on WoT or WoWs in 500 games then he should probably find a game better suited for him. Solitaire or Minesweeper. Dunno.

 

No one can handle tier8 battles with only 500 battles. Dont be hypocrite

[Andreevson]

 

Did i somewhere accuse you of beeing a Braindead moron? i dont think so. You wanted to know something, i told you my opinion, simple as that, no mental harm done, right? and to answer you question as to "what is the point of ganing exp on a premium ship", i could also ask "what is the point of gaining credits in a premium ship"? just because you say you dont want to convert those gained exp doesnt mean thousand of other players wouldnt while taking the credits they earned with it.

 

Somehow the notion of paying additional real money to convert exp from a ship i bought with real money makes me really angry. Like there are better stuff to do with my money. Now, if that ship paid me back with a nice credit-earning ability' i'd be fine with it.

[Smi2k]

 

If one cant get the handle on WoT or WoWs in 500 games then he should probably find a game better suited for him. Solitaire or Minesweeper. Dunno.

 

Well, tbh, some take longer to learn, some learn faster, thats just human nature, and tbh, not everyone is active in the forums and informs themself about stuff, wich makes a pretty huge impact. Remembering my WoT starting days...god....i was such a damn scrub...just played, ranted about beeing seen and shot from any direction etc....lasted till i had....around 1-1.5k battles...then i started reading the forum, played platoons and got better xD

[Andreevson]

 

No one can handle tier8 battles with only 500 battles. Dont be hypocrite

 

Tier 8 battles are not that different from tier 6 battles really. in 500 battles you can get to tier 8 no problem. 10 with premium too.

[Smi2k]

 

Somehow the notion of paying additional real money to convert exp from a ship i bought with real money makes me really angry. Like there are better stuff to do with my money. Now, if that ship paid me back with a nice credit-earning ability' i'd be fine with it.

 

See it that way, you got a pretty looking ship in the harbour 

 

but thats for example your opinion, i spend monthly...well....some money lets just say, not only in WG titles, but also other games, better then going out to clubs for one night and spend almost half a month earning for that xD

[Userext]

Tier 8 battles are not that different from tier 6 battles really. in 500 battles you can get to tier 8 no problem. 10 with premium too.

 

Is that why you have 40k damage with aoba and 44k damage with atago? Seriously 2 tiers higher. You arent doing good in atago thus ends with bad results

[Andreevson]

 

Is that why you have 40k damage with aoba and 44k damage with atago? Seriously 2 tiers higher. You arent doing good in atago thus ends with bad results

 

Ive had good games in the atago though. Great even, they still dont compare to good games in Murmansk Money wise.

[Userext]

Ive had good games in the atago though. Great even, they still dont compare to good games in Murmansk Money wise.

 

Dude. i am saying this again. You arent a good enough player to do good in tier 8 premium ship. People from wot forums said you cant handle tier 8 premium tanks with only 500 battles played.

You have 43k in your myoko and 44k on atago? Admit it. You arent good enough. In wot players who has 500 battles with tier 8 premium tank receives bad results like you here.

[Andreevson]

 

Dude. i am saying this again. You arent a good enough player to do good in tier 8 premium ship. People from wot forums said you cant handle tier 8 premium tanks with only 500 battles played.

You have 43k in your myoko and 44k on atago? Admit it. You arent good enough. In wot players who has 500 battles with tier 8 premium tank receives bad results like you here.

 

Im not getting crap from a 48% winrate beta tester.

 

Being good or not is not what im trying to prove here. Get. It.

 

I can and have done over 150k damage in an Atago. Still, credit-earning even with such game is not as good as when I do 100k damage with a Murmansk. And that is wrong. THIS is what im trying to prove here.

 

Stop harping over my stats, please.

[KptStrzyga]

Andreevson is right IMO. Stop talking about his skill, it has nothing to do with this topic. And ffs stop giving advices like "with flag it makes good credits" because with flags every ship makes good credits. And yes, I know, on epic battle once a week it is possible to make more credits than on Murmansk, but nobody is having only epic games.

But Atago ffs costs more than Murmansk, almost 4 times more, and buying premium ship you don`t expect to get most OP vessel in game, you don`t want beatyfull ship that looks good in port, you pay 40 euros for MONEYMAKER!!! 

And what is the point of spending 40 euros if Atago is making less credits than regular free tier 5 carrier? 

[Userext]

 

Im not getting crap from a 48% winrate beta tester.

 

Being good or not is not what im trying to prove here. Get. It.

 

I can and have done over 150k damage in an Atago. Still, credit-earning even with such game is not as good as when I do 100k damage with a Murmansk. And that is wrong. THIS is what im trying to prove here.

 

Stop harping over my stats, please.

 

I am saying all these because i saw other peopln on forum claiming to do 300k net credit. Yes i know tier 8 premium ships are not earning as they are supposed to. I ahve sims at tier 7 which they buffed the income at 0.4.1 but i am saying that you arent performing good either. 

[Andreevson]

 

I am saying all these because i saw other peopln on forum claiming to do 300k net credit. Yes i know tier 8 premium ships are not earning as they are supposed to. I ahve sims at tier 7 which they buffed the income at 0.4.1 but i am saying that you arent performing good either. 

 

Point of discussion is the profitability of tier 8 premiums compared to tier 5 premiums. Not my skill level.

 

In WoT tier 8 premiums gain ridiculous amount of money, even if you fail and do like 1k damage. In WoWs tier 8 premiums are basically useless for grinding credits. And what is the point of a tier 8 premium if you cant grind credits with it? What is the point of spending 40 EUR  on a ship if its just gonna rust in the harbor once the novelty of sailing it wears out?