My Two problems with this game's economy.

[xCaptainObviousx]

 

imho this already took place at the time of Tirpitz release.

Murmansk income is not what it used to be

 

Well, why should you buy a ship that can make 400k profit for 60 euros when you can make a 500k profit in a ship that costs 10 euros. It's quiet possible to get tier 8 levels of average damage in the Murmansk (I mean, I'm no expert but even I AVERAGE 61k dmg in mine) which translates into t8 levels of earnings but with the lower repairs you have a larger profit than if you had used a t8 ship.

[Andreevson]

 

You are also missing the point. You arent good here as you were in wot. Even a noob can has good games in tier 5 premium tanks at wot.

 

U what...wait.

 

Let me explain clearly.

 

If you have two equally good games in murmansk and atago, you will make more credits on murmansk.

If you have two equally bad games in murmansk and atago, you will still make credits with murmansk where you would lose money on the atago.

 

Murmansk is a tier 5 premium

Atago is a tier 8 premium, thus costs a lot more. Now what is the point in buying tier 8 premiums that are a lot more costly on your finances if they do not make more credits ingame?

[Hanszeehock]

 

Range on murmansk is better with 20% more range skill to secondaries.

 

Max range (without spotter) on murmansk is 17.8

 

I thought we were discussing the main guns ? Max range on Murmansk without spotter is 14.8km. 

[Andreevson]

 

For you ! New players, don't buy T8 premiums to grind credits !!!! 

 

For me and everybody else... its a fact. Im stating a fact. I am taking out a single good game of mine on atago and comparing it to an average game of mine on a Murmansk, Murmansk still is better at money-making. Its a fact you clearly cannot comprehend.

[Andreevson]

 

I thought we were discussing the main guns ? Max range on Murmansk without spotter is 14.8km. 

 

The 20% range skill to secondaries includes Murmansk's 152mm Main guns (and all guns up to 155mm) . If you get that skill on your commander, Range without spotter goes up to 17.8. And since Advanced fire training is mandatory for any cruiser, Murmansk has better range if both captains are not under level 4 in skills.

[Hanszeehock]

 

For me and everybody else... its a fact. Im stating a fact. I am taking out a single good game of mine on atago and comparing it to an average game of mine on a Murmansk, Murmansk still is better at money-making. Its a fact you clearly cannot comprehend.

 

Crikey, yes I agree Murmansk is a better credit grinder, so why did you buy the Atago first ? I'm obviously telling new players not to repeat your mistake. And you say I cannot comprehend ! 

[Hanszeehock]

 

The 20% range skill to secondaries includes Murmansk's 152mm Main guns (and all guns up to 155mm) . 

 

You confused me, again, the skill is actually called 'Advanced Firing Training', the secondaries only skill is the level one skill.

[Andreevson]

 

Crikey, yes I agree Murmansk is a better credit grinder, so why did you buy the Atago first ? I'm obviously telling new players not to repeat your mistake. And you say I cannot comprehend ! 

 

Why did I buy the Atago? I expected a credit-earner. It was a mistake clearly, agreed.

 

Now tell me. If buying tier 8 premiums is considered a fool's thing to do, why should anyone buy them except for LELELEL i have a Tirpitz legendary ship?

 

All i want is for WG to take a damn note and buff income on tier 8 premiums if they want to have any sort of a profitable game. Since I for one, will not buy any other tier 8 premium from now on, and so will a lot of players. Since having a tier 8 premium is pointless.

[Andreevson]

 

You confused me, again, the skill is actually called 'Advanced Firing Training', the secondaries only skill is the level one skill.

 

The level one skill that reduces loading time for secondary guns also reduces loading time for murmansk's 152mm main guns.

 

To get this right. Basic and advanced firing training affect ALL of murmansk's guns, secondary and main. While atago's main guns are not affected by these skills.

[Userext]

 

U what...wait.

 

Let me explain clearly.

 

If you have two equally good games in murmansk and atago, you will make more credits on murmansk.

If you have two equally bad games in murmansk and atago, you will still make credits with murmansk where you would lose money on the atago.

 

Murmansk is a tier 5 premium

Atago is a tier 8 premium, thus costs a lot more. Now what is the point in buying tier 8 premiums that are a lot more costly on your finances if they do not make more credits ingame?

 

Let me explain clearly

Murmansk is more noob friendly ship

Atago is less noob friendly ship

 

Tier 5s in WoT will make money even though the player is bad at them

Tier 8s in WoT will not make money if the player is bad at them.

 

Same logic is used here. You arent a good player. No one can claim they are a good player until they reach over 2k battles. You have 500 battles and you compared this game to wot where you have probably over 15k battles. How does that logic work?

[Andreevson]

 

Let me explain clearly

Murmansk is more noob friendly ship

Atago is less noob friendly ship

 

Tier 5s in WoT will make money even though the player is bad at them

Tier 8s in WoT will not make money if the player is bad at them.

 

Same logic is used here. You arent a good player. No one can claim they are a good player until they reach over 2k battles. You have 500 battles and you compared this game to wot where you have probably over 15k battles. How does that logic work?

 

Have you had a tier 8 premium in WoT? And, to be honest, i consider myself above average player, if not good.

[Userext]

 

Have you had a tier 8 premium in WoT?

 

Yes i did have a tier8 premium in wot its called löwe. If you suck at it you arent going to make much money. Again your comparison for making money with T-54 compared to atago is not fair. You are more experienced in wot than you are here.

[66Schwifty]

 

Let me explain clearly

Murmansk is more noob friendly ship

Atago is less noob friendly ship

 

Tier 5s in WoT will make money even though the player is bad at them

Tier 8s in WoT will not make money if the player is bad at them.

 

Same logic is used here. You arent a good player. No one can claim they are a good player until they reach over 2k battles. You have 500 battles and you compared this game to wot where you have probably over 15k battles. How does that logic work?

 

oh, but the thing is a bad player in a Tier 8 premium tank in WoT can easily make a lot of credits (a really bad game in IS-6, or Type 59, or whatever, and you'll go home with 20-30k credits, even if you don't deal any damage, and lose, and 20-30k in WoT is good money for a bad game), on the other hand a bad player (or a bad game) will lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ships. premium ships are here to grind credits, even for bad players. at least they should be..

[bloomoon11]

 

oh, but the thing is a bad player in a Tier 8 premium tank in WoT can easily make a lot of credits (a really bad game in IS-6, or Type 59, or whatever, and you'll go home with 20-30k credits, even if you don't deal any damage, and lose, and 20-30k in WoT is good money for a bad game), on the other hand a bad player (or a bad game) will lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ships. premium ships are here to grind credits, even for bad players. at least they should be..

 

I'm not a WOT player but a system where a premium makes you money no matter how badly you do sounds broken and I'm glad that's not the case here.

[GunnyL]

Firstly, premium tier 8's suck for moneymaking.

I bought myself an Atago exactly because I wanted a reliable premium moneymaker that can get me a lots of credits and in the same time train a crew, like with my KV-5 in WoT. What I got? A mediocre ship (i can live with that, KV-5 isnt exactly sunshine either, but its niche at least) that has a goddamn huge repair bill. Ended up buying a Murmansk aswell to be able to grind credits, but I can grind as much credits in a normal tier 5 I think.

 

The point of the Atago? I barely play her. There is simply no need to. What do I get out of it? Nothing. Better play my tier 7 myoko (which is about the same in stats as an Atago) and then transition to a Mogami (which is better)  I am really upset about this, since i paid like a game's worth of credits for just one ship that does not do much really...

 

 

LOL That's my story!!! I only play my Murmansk these days, Atago is nothing special and cost more to repair, so the silver gain is less for a ship that cost me 3 times more, go figure!! It should give the same payout as that German T8 monster we see roaming around in every T6 + battle.

[KptStrzyga]

 

I'm not a WOT player but a system where a premium makes you money no matter how badly you do sounds broken and I'm glad that's not the case here.

 

In WOT tier 8 premium as most expensive makes credits like nothing else. That`s the case here because in WoWs most expensive ship isn`t best for making credits. 

[66Schwifty]

 

I'm not a WOT player but a system where a premium makes you money no matter how badly you do sounds broken and I'm glad that's not the case here.

 

it isn't broken. even bad players have the right to play the game, especially if they purchase a premium tank/ship..

 

let me explain a little -

 

even a bad player will eventually lose enough times to research a Tier 10 ship/tank. now, since he doesn't earn enough credits to actually buy it by playing "normal" ships/tanks, he spends a little money (well, not a little) to get a premium ship/tank to get those bloody credits faster. to his surprise he starts to lose credits instead of earning them. will he spend some more money to buy premium ships/tanks in the future? I don't think so. and since this (and every other online) game lives and dies by money the developers get from players, when the money stream stops it will mean the death of the game. that's why we should be glad there are bad players willing to spend some money, even if they spoil good players' games by getting sunk/killed two minutes after the start of the game..

[Andreevson]

 

I'm not a WOT player but a system where a premium makes you money no matter how badly you do sounds broken and I'm glad that's not the case here.

 

  Ineed a way to make money ingame, with this economy. And WG needs a way to make money off of me too. i'd say its not broken at all.

[Nechrom]

Atago is better at grinding credits if you have premium running and use signals.

If you know how to play the Atago you will get more base income than you will get with the Murmansk and that is important when you add bonus modifiers like premium and signals, even if the repairs are higher.

[Querulous]

I wonder if any of the stats sites can be mined to indicate if the Murmansk or Atago is better at credits for a given level of skill ?

I fear the Murmansk will be nerfed hard once the Russian cruiser line is out.

[xCaptainObviousx]

I wonder if any of the stats sites can be mined to indicate if the Murmansk or Atago is better at credits for a given level of skill ?

I fear the Murmansk will be nerfed hard once the Russian cruiser line is out.

 

The time for nerfing that thing have passed, they should have done that before the wipe.

[Querulous]

Well it should....but they can quietly reduce some soft stats and indeed will certainly do so on many ships - the stats sites indicate some BBs are awful, no doubt they will be buffed. A game like this is constantly tweaked.

[KptStrzyga]

 

The time for nerfing that thing have passed, they should have done that before the wipe.

 

If I`ve learned anything from my years with WG - they`ll do anything they want, they will not ask us what we think about it, they will give us some stupid explanation (historical accuracy, rebalancing, whatever).

[xCaptainObviousx]

 

If I`ve learned anything from my years with WG - they`ll do anything they want, they will not ask us what we think about it, they will give us some stupid explanation (historical accuracy, rebalancing, whatever).

 

the last time they tried to pull that one on a premium vehicle, they were forced to offer a refund, something which I doubt they want to have to do again (customer satisfaction? Blasphemy!)

[bloomoon11]

 

it isn't broken. even bad players have the right to play the game, especially if they purchase a premium tank/ship..

 

let me explain a little -

 

even a bad player will eventually lose enough times to research a Tier 10 ship/tank. now, since he doesn't earn enough credits to actually buy it by playing "normal" ships/tanks, he spends a little money (well, not a little) to get a premium ship/tank to get those bloody credits faster. to his surprise he starts to lose credits instead of earning them. will he spend some more money to buy premium ships/tanks in the future? I don't think so. and since this (and every other online) game lives and dies by money the developers get from players, when the money stream stops it will mean the death of the game. that's why we should be glad there are bad players willing to spend some money, even if they spoil good players' games by getting sunk/killed two minutes after the start of the game..

 

Trouble is that player doing so badly at higher tiers causes resentment, you could witness it in this game recently with all the colourful comments in chat about the  'wallet warrior noobs' and their 'Derpitzes' wrecking matches, I'm sure that kind of atmosphere encourages player's future spending as well.  Personally i don't think you should be able to by a ship in a higher tier without reasonable experience in that tier, ain't gonna happen but would be better IMO.