My Two problems with this game's economy.

[Andreevson]

Good day. I am making this post to talk about what bugs me with this game in regards to it's economy.

 

We dont talk class balance or anything else, we just talk about credits.  I wont compare CV to BB or to CA or CL or a DD, I'm comparing WoT to WoWs in terms of their economy.

 

 

Firstly, premium tier 8's suck for moneymaking.

I bought myself an Atago exactly because I wanted a reliable premium moneymaker that can get me a lots of credits and in the same time train a crew, like with my KV-5 in WoT. What I got? A mediocre ship (i can live with that, KV-5 isnt exactly sunshine either, but its niche at least) that has a goddamn huge repair bill. Ended up buying a Murmansk aswell to be able to grind credits, but I can grind as much credits in a normal tier 5 I think.

 

The point of the Atago? I barely play her. There is simply no need to. What do I get out of it? Nothing. Better play my tier 7 myoko (which is about the same in stats as an Atago) and then transition to a Mogami (which is better)  I am really upset about this, since i paid like a game's worth of credits for just one ship that does not do much really...

 

Can you gess when will be the next time i buy a tier 8 premium? You guessed it, NEVER.

 

Second, tier 8 and upwards economy

 

While in this game, as i heard, (because i dont have tier 8 and up except for the Atago) you can barely make a credit in a tier 8 or 9 or 10 ship if you die. In WoT, tier 8 tanks, even some tier 9 tanks like the T-54 i had, even if you regularly die with them, if you are good and at least did something in the battle, can at least reward you. You are not losing credits is what i'm saying. I had a T-54 for a long time in WoT. And I was good with it, 2.2k average damage across at least a thousand battles. And it did not put a dent in my credit fund. I wonder if its the same when I get an Ibuki.

 

[Hanszeehock]

When did you buy the Atago ?

[KptStrzyga]

Signed. 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/25486-pls-buff-income-on-atago/

[Andreevson]

When did you buy the Atago ?

 

Bout a month and a week back. If you are suggesting a refund, nah, i've allready given those money and I quite like the atago (or at least how it looks, you know the saying, there are many like it, but this one is mine ), but I wont buy annother tier 8 prem for as long as their credit making ability is what it is, not even to train crew.

[DMA27]

Best money maker is Hosho. Low life targets, 2 TB squad, barely any AA and plenty of noob targets. I get a regulare 150K+ creds per battle with confederate for XP boost. Have not found anything better atm.

[Andreevson]

Best money maker is Hosho. Low life targets, 2 TB squad, barely any AA and plenty of noob targets. I get a regulare 150K+ creds per battle with confederate for XP boost. Have not found anything better atm.

 

As I said, I bought a Murmansk after I realized the Atago is a no-go for money making. Both to grind credits and to train a russian captain in advance. 230k creds without premium is a regular thing, but that does not relieve my concern about a tier 8 moneymaker. You see Im on WG's side here. If i want them to sell more tier 8 premiums, I want to tell them what is wrong with them right now  and why people wont buy them. There are a limited amount of legendary ships like the Tirpitz* you can sell.

 

*overhyped IMO, but people love the tirpitz.

[Hanszeehock]

 

Bout a month and a week back. If you are suggesting a refund, nah, i've allready given those money and I quite like the atago (or at least how it looks, you know the saying, there are many like it, but this one is mine ), but I wont buy annother tier 8 prem for as long as their credit making ability is what it is, not even to train crew.

 

Unfortunately, I am not suggesting a refund. I think the problem maybe that your expectations exceeded your ability at the time. Did you really expect to jump straight to Tier 8, a month after OBT started, and expect to do well ? Buying a premium ship does not guarantee success, otherwise this forum would be full of pay to win whines. You do much better in the Murmansk, and even though it is three tiers lower, your average damage in her is 10k higher than the Atago. 

 

Hopefully, others will learn from your experience, stick to the lower tiers for credit grinding.

[Andreevson]

 

Unfortunately, I am not suggesting a refund. I think the problem maybe that your expectations exceeded your ability at the time. Did you really expect to jump straight to Tier 8, a month after OBT started, and expect to do well ? Buying a premium ship does not guarantee success, otherwise this forum would be full of pay to win whines. You do much better in the Murmansk, and even though it is three tiers lower, your average damage in her is 10k higher than the Atago. 

 

Hopefully, others will learn from your experience, stick to the lower tiers for credit grinding.

 

My ability to play the Atago is crippled by the fact that unlike the murmansk, she faces a lot hardened by combat enemies, and most importantly, Battleships outrange her, instead of the other way around (like it is with the murmy) , and you cannot kite them and avoid their fire as easily. (also, bigger target)

 

I dont need to have my stats checked to be able to tell you with confidence  that the tier 8 atago's income is a lot worse than a Murmansk's, even on her good days. And that is, at least by WoT logic, wrong. Tier 8 premiums should be the money-pots, since they are more expensive to buy.

[KptStrzyga]

 

 Tier 8 premiums should be the money-pots, since they are more expensive to buy.

Another + from me. 

[Hanszeehock]

I dont need to have my stats checked to be able to tell you with confidence  that the tier 8 atago's income is a lot worse than a Murmansk's, even on her good days. And that is, at least by WoT logic, wrong. Tier 8 premiums should be the money-pots, since they are more expensive to buy.

 

You are missing the point. The income is worse because you are not an experienced enough player to earn the income. Clearly your average damage in the Atago is too low to earn lots of credits. 

[Userext]

Second, tier 8 and upwards economy

 

While in this game, as i heard, (because i dont have tier 8 and up except for the Atago) you can barely make a credit in a tier 8 or 9 or 10 ship if you die. In WoT, tier 8 tanks, even some tier 9 tanks like the T-54 i had, even if you regularly die with them, if you are good and at least did something in the battle, can at least reward you. You are not losing credits is what i'm saying. I had a T-54 for a long time in WoT. And I was good with it, 2.2k average damage across at least a thousand battles. And it did not put a dent in my credit fund. I wonder if its the same when I get an Ibuki.

 

And how many battles do you have in wot? You have 500 battles here. You simply arent good as you were in wot. Many people gets kinda obsessed about this. Listen guys you arent good here as you were in wot. So dont expect to make money at tier8-9-10 until you reach that level you had in wot. I mean no one that reached T-54 for the first time (unless reroll) will do good enough in it to earn a lot of money. Please consider this. If you want an overall how many battles you need for me to say you are right just make this math

(Battles in wot)x15<(Battles in wows)x20

if your battle count works for this equastion(of course people under 2k battles in wot is not included) then you are right. You can even make this equasion for tier 7 battles you played etc.

[Blue_Bug]

What players doesn't understand is that Tier 8 games needs different tactics as a Tier 6 batle. Tier 8 games are much more unforgiving as a Tier 6 game.  Premium vessels are almost always worse as normal vessels of the same tier. So when you are not used to play that tier with a normal vessel, most players will do not very well in a premium vessel of that tier. You even bring your self in a disadvantage cause you are not used to the gameplay on that tier and you have a worse vessel as the other players.

 

Most premium vessels are good creditmakers in comparison to a vessel of the same tier and class. 

[KptStrzyga]

 

You are missing the point. The income is worse because you are not an experienced enough player to earn the income. Clearly your average damage in the Atago is too low to earn lots of credits. 

 

DPM of Atago is lower then DPM of Murmansk, on both AP and HE. And range is worse. And repair costs: less then 20k on Murmansk, almost 100k on Atago. 

Only price in gold goes other way here, Atago costs almost 4 Murmaids.

[66Schwifty]

 

You are missing the point. The income is worse because you are not an experienced enough player to earn the income. Clearly your average damage in the Atago is too low to earn lots of credits.

 

yes, that may be correct (especially in my case, I am an Atago owner as well), but the thing is that you can quite easily lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ship (happened to me in my first two or three games with Atago), which could never happen in WoT. you take your premium tank into battle - you earn credits. no matter how badly you play. you can even spam premium ammunition (which is very, very expensive, when bought for credits, of course, not gold), not do much damage, and still earn some credits. yes, it's not going to be much, but you simply can't lose credits playing premium tanks no matter what you do in WoT. can't be said about Tier 8 premium ships in WoWS..

[KptStrzyga]

 

yes, that may be correct (especially in my case, I am an Atago owner as well), but the thing is that you can quite easily lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ship (happened to me in my first two or three games with Atago), which could never happen in WoT. you take your premium tank into battle - you earn credits. no matter how badly you play. you can even spam premium ammunition (which is very, very expensive, when bought for credits, of course, not gold), not do much damage, and still earn some credits. yes, it's not going to be much, but you simply can't lose credits playing premium tanks no matter what you do in WoT. can't be said about Tier 8 premium ships in WoWS..

 

Actually I quite like this, I`ve had enough idiots in tier 8 premiums yoloing to die asap because no matter how badly they play they`ll always make some money. High cost prevents this situation. 

But I want to be better rewarded with credits for playing right in tier 8 very expensive golden limo then in cheap tier 5 toy.

[Vulgarny]

Repair cost and overall module/upgrades of ships are artificial road blocks set by WG to hinder your progress in game to hide lack of content.

[xCaptainObviousx]

Want to bet that WG will fix this issue by nerfing the Murmansk's credit co-efficiency?  

[Hanszeehock]

 

DPM of Atago is lower then DPM of Murmansk, on both AP and HE. And range is worse. And repair costs: less then 20k on Murmansk, almost 100k on Atago. 

Only price in gold goes other way here, Atago costs almost 4 Murmaids.

 

The range is only worse if the Murmansk uses the spotter plane, which is only available for a limited period and the view is different so it is harder to aim. DPM is only relevant if you are hitting stuff all the time with all the guns. But I think my basic point remains valid, inexperienced players are not going to do very well at T8.

[Hanszeehock]

 

yes, that may be correct (especially in my case, I am an Atago owner as well), but the thing is that you can quite easily lose credits playing Tier 8 premium ship (happened to me in my first two or three games with Atago), which could never happen in WoT. you take your premium tank into battle - you earn credits. no matter how badly you play. you can even spam premium ammunition (which is very, very expensive, when bought for credits, of course, not gold), not do much damage, and still earn some credits. yes, it's not going to be much, but you simply can't lose credits playing premium tanks no matter what you do in WoT. can't be said about Tier 8 premium ships in WoWS..

 

This isn't WoT. The OP complaint was that he bought the Atago for credit grinding, I think that was mistaken and clearly you agree.

[Andreevson]

 

You are missing the point. The income is worse because you are not an experienced enough player to earn the income. Clearly your average damage in the Atago is too low to earn lots of credits. 

 

You are also missing the point. Even a noob has good games.

I've had good games too. Still nope. Murmansk is better  credit earner on a bad game than an Atago on a good game.

[Andreevson]

Want to bet that WG will fix this issue by nerfing the Murmansk's credit co-efficiency?  

 

The fact that this is your 666th post is making me nervous for my Murmy...

[von_chom]

Want to bet that WG will fix this issue by nerfing the Murmansk's credit co-efficiency?  

 

imho this already took place at the time of Tirpitz release.

Murmansk income is not what it used to be

[Andreevson]

 

The range is only worse if the Murmansk uses the spotter plane, which is only available for a limited period and the view is different so it is harder to aim. DPM is only relevant if you are hitting stuff all the time with all the guns. But I think my basic point remains valid, inexperienced players are not going to do very well at T8.

 

Range on murmansk is better with 20% more range skill to secondaries. Max range (without spotter) on murmansk is 17.8, max on atago is 16.4 (or so)

 

Meanwhile ships in your tier bracket (if you play the murmansk) have a lot lower range.

[Userext]

You are also missing the point. Even a noob has good games.

I've had good games too. Still nope. Murmansk is better  credit earner on a bad game than an Atago on a good game.

 

You are also missing the point. You arent good here as you were in wot. Even a noob can has good games in tier 5 premium tanks at wot.

[Hanszeehock]

 Still nope. Murmansk is better  credit earner on a bad game than an Atago on a good game.

 

For you ! New players, don't buy T8 premiums to grind credits !!!!