[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #1 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, I want to thank all players and WarGaming for the wonderful moments with WoWs. Like all my WoT friends, I will quit for a while, hoping that this great idea-of-a-game got fixed (hopefully) in time. It was real fun ... until you hit Tier 8 where, with no premium, you are fucked. I know we all have to make our living and you are achieving it ... for a short term. Focus on the long run. There is no way to continue, winning battles and loosing money at the same time. I really hope that you will re-balance the game in the upcoming months, so it will be less pay-to-win and more all-ships-have-strengths-and-weaknesses-and-they-are-equal-at-the-end. Good luck and keep up the good work! ...and by the way, your uninstall-feedback submit button link is not working...like most of the stuff Edited September 15, 2015 by Ukio 19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #2 Posted September 15, 2015 this is not pay to win. Get an omaha start grinding credits. Its very normal for average player to lose credits at tier 8 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #3 Posted September 15, 2015 The game was worth the time until you had to pay for some of it's content? Oh no... 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #4 Posted September 15, 2015 I'm sure WG will miss your custom 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAI] Nagine Beta Tester 680 posts 3,140 battles Report post #5 Posted September 15, 2015 Have you created alternative account for trolling yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[88TH] Siagor Players 1,336 posts Report post #6 Posted September 15, 2015 So you're pissed because, at a certain high point, you have to... oh, no... pay a Premium time? Choices you're facing are simple: you can stay up to tiers 5-6 and indeed play completely free. Or keep Omaha to make money for high tier games - also completely free. Or do the unspeakable and pay a whole 10 E monthly for your enjoyment and someone's work to make it possible for you. But that's unacceptable, isn't it? 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFingers Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 3,242 posts Report post #7 Posted September 15, 2015 While I'm not a fan of the "look at me, I'm quitting"-topics, he does have a point. Wg is asking top-dollar for a crude, unpolished game that isn't even out of beta yet. A decent premium ship costs the same as a decent AA-game, and premium-time is expensive given the benefits you reap from it (also it just counts down whether you're playing or not). So yeah, I can understand that some people are getting fed up with the lack of progress that WG books in addressing known issues, discrepancies and bugs. If you're honest, the total lack of communications from wg through their devs, community managers,... the last couple of weeks is shameful to say the least. 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fi_8_8_8_8 Beta Tester 279 posts 2,318 battles Report post #8 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) While I'm not a fan of the "look at me, I'm quitting"-topics, he does have a point. Wg is asking top-dollar for a crude, unpolished game that isn't even out of beta yet. A decent premium ship costs the same as a decent AA-game, and premium-time is expensive given the benefits you reap from it (also it just counts down whether you're playing or not). So yeah, I can understand that some people are getting fed up with the lack of progress that WG books in addressing known issues, discrepancies and bugs. If you're honest, the total lack of communications from wg through their devs, community managers,... the last couple of weeks is shameful to say the least. Totally agree with this flawless statement.If you can't break even with a T8 with premium..where is the point? People do not want to grind all the way up to the high tiers and then need to sealclub with the Murmansk for 10 battles only to have the cash to pay a couple of high tier battles...What the actual FU**!!!!! What kind of game mechanic is this? How is this supposed to keep people playing? It's a broken system, which does not work! Games always need a nice balance between too easy and too frustrating to keep the players playing. If you make a free to play game then you will have to deal with the people who just come to play the free game, since on the other end you have the players who purchase packages and Tirpitz's for 80 Euros..this should balance your income somewhere with the average Joe who spends like 30 Euros on the game a year..and if you get greedy you'll just mess it up. Like everywhere in life! The Op is IMO totally right. He just wants to raise attention to this issue..which he did politely. If WG wants to continue the money squeezing campaign..they will ruin this game..too. It's time to get smart..and give the player what he wants..so he decides he wants to pay more for it and extras..and not do it by forcing him if he wants to progress... Awesome game --> Increasing player base --> more average Joes --> more money Edited September 15, 2015 by Fi_8_8_8_8 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMoon51 Beta Tester 951 posts Report post #9 Posted September 15, 2015 I always saw the fact that the higher tiers in WG products "cost" to play as a good way to balance game play in that the better players don't simply work their way to tier 10 and simply play there. It would be nice if WG would do something with the "free" XP earned from elited ships, but hopefully that's something they will work on. Sorry to see you go(or indeed anyone), but how about if you enjoy upto tier 8 just play those tiers there is nothing that says you can't play just say a tier 5 ship that you like 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #10 Posted September 15, 2015 Its all a matter of perspective,you cannot have a completely free game,you lose the point when you mention the costs of t8 and up. Out of 6 months i play this game i only payed 15€ in total.Now for that 15€ i had 6 months of content with constant updates and such. If i wanted something more,i would buy prem time,ship etc...Nobody made me do this though. WG is a company,not a charity.Some things are absurd,sure, like the price of the Tirpitz, but you cannot expect to have a free game,that is utterly foolish and naive. As i said,its a matter of perspective,i wont pay a penny cause im broke as crap atm and nor i intent to. Sorry to hear that you are leaving for that particular reason... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fletch67 Beta Tester 59 posts 992 battles Report post #11 Posted September 15, 2015 I'm sure you never paid a penny to play this wonderful game and I'm sure you will not be missed. This is one of the best free games out there but its not a charity if these games don't make money they would not exist. I love the game and hope they continue to make enough money to keep it moving forward. Yes I have brought a premium ship and I will buy more in the future. I appreciate a great PC game when I play one and I am more than happy to cough up some cash to play it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #12 Posted September 15, 2015 It was always like that on low tiers you earn credits no matter you win or lose and on higher tiers you(mostly) lose them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #13 Posted September 15, 2015 I have premium and I may never get to tier X simply because I'm enjoying tiers V-VIII too much to properly grind the same ship. Every day I play Fuso, Kongo, New York, Murmansk, Cleveland, Nagato and Pensacola till they get their X1.5... Oh then Tirpitz. You out don't have to pay to get to tier ten either, you just have to generate credits with another ship. So I don't get this whole attitude. No idea what I'm going to do when the German tree comes out So go back to WoT. I played it once, didn't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
66Schwifty Players 223 posts 4,848 battles Report post #14 Posted September 15, 2015 well, WG has this earning mechanics to keep lower levels populated. nobody would play low tiers if it was profitable playing tiers 8 up. it has been like that in WoT since the beginning as well. you don't want to buy premium account, or premium ships/tanks? no problem, just keep (for example) KV-2, or Cromwell (or Omaha, Cleveland...), and you can have a lot of fun grinding credits even without spending a penny. so comparing WoWS (or WoT) to regular games is kind of pointless, and "crying" about not having enough credits is silly, especially coming from someone, who has some degree of experience playing WoT.. the system isn't broken (as Fi_8_8_8 is trying to imply). it works perfectly in WoT, and I see no reason why it shouldn't work here. and, again, nobody is forcing anyone to pay anything. it will only take a bit more time to get the stuff you want 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenturionPuch Beta Tester 20 posts 2,118 battles Report post #15 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) I got here just after a whole day of flawless loosing streak. Killing 3-4 ships in most games and finishing on top with xp,[Edited] getting focused on and spending the rest of the battle insulting the rest of the team as dead noobs do. I can't call it fun and I will not pay a penny for this. Also it can't be called free to play if it is only playable on a premium account. Even in wot I can make credits in tier 8. Here I'm only up to tier 6, so I don't know how it is yet, but if it's like OP described it I will not be playing this game much longer. And spending 80 euros on something WG can change any time as they please.....I don't think so Edited September 16, 2015 by FireflyDivision This post has been edited by a member of the moderation team, due to inappropriate content. -FireflyDivision Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TB-PF] GunnyL Beta Tester 77 posts 2,943 battles Report post #16 Posted September 15, 2015 T9 and 10 losing silver on avg on a premium account is so 2010... Con-current player -1 more and counting.... *sigh* We will get T3 in T10 battles soon as the MM will time out at 5 mins..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inAbag Beta Tester 221 posts 676 battles Report post #17 Posted September 15, 2015 While I'm not a fan of the "look at me, I'm quitting"-topics, he does have a point. Wg is asking top-dollar for a crude, unpolished game that isn't even out of beta yet. A decent premium ship costs the same as a decent AA-game, and premium-time is expensive given the benefits you reap from it (also it just counts down whether you're playing or not). So yeah, I can understand that some people are getting fed up with the lack of progress that WG books in addressing known issues, discrepancies and bugs. If you're honest, the total lack of communications from wg through their devs, community managers,... the last couple of weeks is shameful to say the least. Agreed. But most people here are too dense to realize this, they start shouting HURR THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY DURR without thinking that having to pay 35 EUR for ONE tier 8 premium ship is kind of hilarious considering the lack of content, features and propper balance in this game. Yes, WoT does the same thing with pricing and that is also retarded and contributes to why WoT is also slowly losing players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenturionPuch Beta Tester 20 posts 2,118 battles Report post #18 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Edited September 16, 2015 by FireflyDivision This post has been edited by a member of the moderation team, due to inappropriate content. An official message has also been sent. -FireflyDivision Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #19 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Er ok I think this thread is going to be binned very soon. Edited September 16, 2015 by FireflyDivision Quote moderated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[88TH] Siagor Players 1,336 posts Report post #20 Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Dude, Belarus. As in Minsk, Lukashenko and stuff. Not Moscow, Putin. Different country. Go there and tell them they are just a satelite, you'll have a great time :-) Edited September 16, 2015 by FireflyDivision Quote moderated 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenturionPuch Beta Tester 20 posts 2,118 battles Report post #21 Posted September 15, 2015 Dude, Belarus. As in Minsk, Lukashenko and stuff. Not Moscow, Putin. Different country. Go there and tell them they are just a satelite, you'll have a great time :-) true story dude just look up where the wows dev team are based at Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #22 Posted September 16, 2015 By that account we should not give a dollar to an American company cause it can go to the war in Syria or in Iraq etc.. Yep,ONE of the dev teams is based in St.Petersburg (check the city names again ) while others are based in US,France,Belarus,Cyprus,Tokyo,Singapore,London...I dont really get what are you trying to imply.. Every money that you spent can get to a weapon,not only a Russian one.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAI] Nagine Beta Tester 680 posts 3,140 battles Report post #23 Posted September 16, 2015 To make matter even more confusing, the money is kept in Cyprus. So its a Belarus company, which works in Russia, but the majority of investments are being done in Cyprus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #24 Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Did you ever buy something in the U.S. ? Because if you did you openly support torture (Guantanamo) and slavery (U.S. jail system). Let's keep politics out of the prem shop, can we? Edited September 16, 2015 by FireflyDivision Quote moderated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFingers Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 3,242 posts Report post #25 Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Yeah, if we all could just stop accusing eachother and WG of financing (illegal) weapons trades and the likes, so that this topic won't get banhammered, that would be great. They are in Cyprus because you don't have to pay taxes there, like 1548965981 other companies are doing when they're not in the Caymans, Luxemburgh or the likes. This has nothing to do with the lack of game development and WG-input in the forums. Edited September 16, 2015 by MrFingers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites