Why has Tirpitz destroyed the current meta?

[Nechrom]

 

Tirpitz is a brandnew and very popular ship. If they would have released a premium Hood or a premium Arizona u would see too many of them.

other new premiums / trees / nations will follow and than the amount of Tirpitzes will sink

 

and before there have been too many cruisers

 

and why are too many cruisers ok, but too many battleships arent ? too many BBs can wipe out CAs, too many CAs can whipe out DDs. Whats better ? nothing

 

The game is designed to have more cruisers per battle than other ship classes.

[Andreevson]

I'm letting mine sit rusting in the port, at least until we get a proper playerbase at those tiers.

 

As it did in real life...\

 

Also, what is wrong with the Atago?

[anonym_GKEljZAsgbBN]

Novelty ship, so whoever got it is playing a lot, whether they like it or not. Give it a month or two and it'll be just fine, especially since it's not in the shop anymore.

[xCaptainObviousx]

 

As it did in real life...\

 

Also, what is wrong with the Atago?

 

Nothing wrong with the Atago, just that since I don't enjoy the Myoko I don't feel like it's worth wasting my hard earned cash on it.

[Andreevson]

 

Nothing wrong with the Atago, just that since I don't enjoy the Myoko I don't feel like it's worth wasting my hard earned cash on it.

 

Dem Torp angles tho...

[Pastaiolo]

Give it time. The same happened on World of Tanks when popular premium tanks entered the battle.

 

After some weeks people started going back to the usual ships.

If, however, the devs see the Tirpitz overperforming i am sure they will act on it.

[Kenliero]

Nerf Tirpitz, or buff everything else.... that will decrease them

 

EDIT: I think biggest problem is that people fail to citadel hit them...

[Rem3mberMe]

I do not think the number of Tirpitz will sink anytime soon. Blame the broken economy. Simply nothing earns so many credits as Tirpitz.

[Hidoc]

More whiners, grrr Tirpitz.

[black_falcon120]

The annoying thing for me is it hard counters my sims, so i can't grind, forcing me to look at getting a murmanksk......

[Pivke]

at tier 8 the teams are almost all battleships (its pretty regular to see 8 or more battleships on each team!!) about 3-4 Derpiz + regular battleships on each team.

 

cruisers T7-8 are mostly unplayable at the moment. because of the lack of cruiser targets (you know, other cruisers and destroyers). nobody plays destroyers at higher tiers (lets face it) and against battleship heavy teams you get very little damage done as a cruiser (=low XP & low credits). even on winning games you struggle to just break even and not go to negative numbers. 

 

it sucks... i like playing cruisers the most, but i put my Mogami on strike! untill the battleship spam resolves...

cya in T5 battles with my Omaha!

[black_falcon120]

cruisers T7-8 are mostly unplayable at the moment. because of the lack of cruiser targets (you know, other cruisers and destroyers). nobody plays destroyers at higher tiers (lets face it) and against battleship heavy teams you get very little damage done as a cruiser (=low XP & low credits). even on winning games you struggle to just break even and not go to negative numbers. 

 

it sucks... i like playing cruisers the most, but i put my Mogami on strike! untill the battleship spam resolves...

cya in T5 battles with my Omaha!

Don't forget the tirpitz has been described as a dedicated cruiser killer, which folds against 'real' battleships.

[KPtja]

 

The game is designed to have more cruisers per battle than other ship classes.

 

do you jave facts to back this up or is this just your imagination? Seems to me that games can end up victory, defeat and draw no matter what amount of cruisers there were in battle.

[FloRead]

Who is the natural predator for the Tirpitz? 

 

The 2 classes who are least represented in game......

[Nechrom]

 

do you jave facts to back this up or is this just your imagination? Seems to me that games can end up victory, defeat and draw no matter what amount of cruisers there were in battle.

 

Of course you don't need a certain amount of cruisers, but battles tend to go in very strange directions if there are an overabundance of other ship classes instead. Too many BBs and the battles have a tendency to be longer and the risk of draws higher. Too many DDs and I think you can imagine the issue of fighting a mostly invisible fleet. CV hard limits are already in place because they were even worse at messing up the battle when you got too many.

The cruiser is the equalizer, it's decent at everything and master of nothing.

As for "facts", I'm mostly going by how the MM puts together battles during optimal condition when it can pick basically any ship it wants and there are no special circumstances like after a new premium ship sale.

[Rem3mberMe]

That is exactly the point. Cruisers are most versatile ships and your team can adjust the strategy when they are present. Now the tier VIII battles are one sided only BB shooter. I am not pointing finger at Tirpitz. I am just saying that the tier VIII premium ships have ruined the diversity in battles. Until there will be new German cruiser line, there is no reason to drive cruisers in these BB only battles. You need some cannon fodder too to enjoy the game, being one in every single battle is not my cup of tea. At least it helped me to decide grinding Yamato and Montana first. 

[LtCasey]

It just feels like Tirpitz does not have a real equal/counter at the moment in WoW, and I am speaking as someone who has one. The whole paper/scissor/stone thing just doesn't apply to them.

The combination of good range yet relatively poor accuracy and dispersion at that range leads to many just playing linebacker, hoping for some poor CA who felt like a change/is grinding a line to give them a juicy citadel (I'm looking at IJN esp Atago here). If non appears, the armour means they can duel other BBs at range and probably be able to outstay their opponent. The DD meta at T7 means that in open water the Tirpitz is safe.

Trying to use an Atlanta or Pensacola atm is just miserable unless you have an empathetic team and I have given up grinding both IJN and USN CA lines at T8 and T7 respectively, for this reason.

There is a Counter.... Its small,.... Not like a fly but like a hornet and it Stings very hard. The Name is Cleveland and 2 Tiers higher its the Mogami. The Tirpitz Burns like a matchstick. You can evade torpedoes, its hard to get citadels on her, but seh burns

[Syrchalis]

but seh burns

 

Like every other BB.

 

Real weakness is her slow rudder shift time, length and weak AA. Food for carriers.

[Fenrir2205]

I seem to be on a different server than you lot,,, i stoped seeing half of each team consisting of tirpitz few days after it was released,,, And it is no way OP,,, Its fantastic against cruisers and not bad against BB's but it's guns are not as good as the Amagis or north carolina's, All it has is HP, rate of fire (only 5 more seconds than the others) And less damage potential per salvo,,,, Also its AA is only half decent and secondaries are OK,,, So its pretty Average. The thing that sets it apart from the others is that its a brawler,,, and even now there seem to be alot of players that seem to forget about those 8 (4 on each side) tubes of death,,,

[Jaeger_Bomb_Meister]

I seem to be on a different server than you lot,,, i stoped seeing half of each team consisting of tirpitz few days after it was released,,, And it is no way OP,,, Its fantastic against cruisers and not bad against BB's but it's guns are not as good as the Amagis or north carolina's, All it has is HP, rate of fire (only 5 more seconds than the others) And less damage potential per salvo,,,, Also its AA is only half decent and secondaries are OK,,, So its pretty Average. The thing that sets it apart from the others is that its a brawler,,, and even now there seem to be alot of players that seem to forget about those 8 (4 on each side) tubes of death,,,

 

Mostly right......weak horizontal armour food for Top C.V DD players....guns are potent...shredded Amagi with 1 salvo, 2 citadel hits....it lasted a few seconds after that......

[Gatt]

Anyway, even before the Tirpitz, very few CA (Tier VI and above) players were willing to fulfill the role of WoT medium tanks.

 

They were/are too scared by DD torps and BB long range guns. They should be more daring. Only Omaha and Murmansk players make games fun and interesting.

 

Cleveland, Aoba (and Tiers above)  players are too cautious.

 

Now, with the Tirpitz just behind enemy CA, the situatiion is even worst.

[Adwaenyth]

I don't know when you play, but during the evening hours I usually get battles with max 4 BBs per side. Okay, at least half of that are Tirpitzes (myself included) but still, I don't see these "all Tirpitz" battles any more than just after her release.

[Tomerell]

 

Same here. I gave up grinding Mogami and I focus on both BB lines now.

 

I already gave up CV's, so I will ran out of ship classes if I give up CA's as well  

 

wait for 17 when they will add tirpitz again on sale  , i even think to buy one , if u cant kill them join them

 

Well if that is true, I will consider to buy it this time, because now I'm closer to T8 BB in real life too...  

 

[Berrserkr]

My guess is that it will change when the initial excitement wears off. It's like this in most games when something new is introduced. And it has already started, you don't see 8-10 Tirpitzes in each team anymore

 

[Lord_WC]

Anyway, even before the Tirpitz, very few CA (Tier VI and above) players were willing to fulfill the role of WoT medium tanks.

It's because CAs in this game don't behave like mediums at all.

They have half the hp of a BB, 30-40% less range for +5-10 kn speed. You won't project force in a CA like you do in a med.