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[warlock07rox]

 

Arrr we are talking tier 3 and 4 BB's Well the Langley has 1 TP bomber Squadron and Hosho has 2 should be possible!! and instead of talking about a Ark Beta and Kawachi. Lets talk about  the normal tier 4 BB that have a better (still not good) AA

 

Also the game match maiking prohibits a BB fighting a CV so you test is void.

 

simple fact is that Tier 4 CV will have faced an enamy tier for CV before it gets to the stage of 1 BB before 1 CV..

 

Infact in all likeness your Tier 4 BB will have it easy as by the time its 1 BB v 1 CV at tier 4 you can be pretty certain that Tier 4 CV has very little if any of its air group left

 

 

Yea that's why at the start Vs Hosho ive set sail in Kawachi been left behind by cruisers and torped  and sunk within 5 mins of starting

[Abraa]

 

Oh you another stat whore? I don't care about stats don't know how to get them either so if your stats are better than mine very good your so uber and I though the game was meant to be balanced its not torps are op and so are Dds in low tiers against Bbs like Kawachi ,Ark beta ,Wyoming etc I know ive played Dds at this lvl .

 

 

You are doing as much or less damage in you Isokaze than in your same tier BB's.

 

Where's the evidence for your claim that DD torps are OP ?

[T0byJug]

 

Yea that's why at the start Vs Hosho ive set sail in Kawachi been left behind by cruisers and torped  and sunk within 5 mins of starting

 

sorry but you were talking about end game 1 BB V 1CV not 5 mins in game where you get separated from the rest of your team and get owned by a CV

 

go watch this video of a BB avoiding torps from multiple sauces from a self confessed Mediocre BB player

 

 

When I have been taken out by torps its almost always been to enamy player skill or me being a dumb arsh. 

 

I will give you 1 thing Torp reload on DD up to tier 5 needs to be looked at and maybe increased and i am saying this as a DD player

[warlock07rox]

 

sorry but you were talking about end game 1 BB V 1CV not 5 mins in game where you get separated from the rest of your team and get owned by a CV

 

go watch this video of a BB avoiding torps from multiple sauces from a self confessed Mediocre BB player

 

 

When I have been taken out by torps its almost always been to enamy player skill or me being a dumb arsh.

 

I will give you 1 thing Torp reload on DD up to tier 5 needs to be looked at and maybe increased and i am saying this as a DD player

 

Not bad avoidance but he still took 3 torps so wasn't that avoidable after all was it

[T0byJug]

 

Not bad avoidance but he still took 3 torps so wasn't that avoidable after all was it

 

and was fighting MULTIPLE enemy not just 1 CV and 3 torps after the amount fired at him is an achievement ! You will not see that sort of torp volume against a  single tier 4 CV

[warlock07rox]

 

and was fighting MULTIPLE enemy not just 1 CV and 3 torps after the amount fired at him is an achievement ! You will not see that sort of torp volume against a  single tier 4 CV

 

And he was only targeted by 1 at a time I didn't see the scissor drop as in torps from both sides at the same time

[T0byJug]

 

And he was only targeted by 1 at a time I didn't see the scissor drop as in torps from both sides at the same time

 

Would like to see a Langley do a scissor drop!

 

Simple fact is you should find it almost imposable to fight a Lone CV with Full air groups  in a lone BB but if you have that situation your team(and you) has failed and the CV deserves the win! and if Hosho manages it you should be able to avoid many of the torps and you will have a long time before his planes can get back rearm a launch again! to find and kill him

[moth_hunter]

 

Not bad avoidance but he still took 3 torps so wasn't that avoidable after all was it

 

So? The shells from your BBs and cruisers can't really be actively dodged by anybody. Why should the main weapon of DDs and CVs be reliably dogeable?

 

Also you just jump around back and forth between subjects.

One moment it's about a 1 v 1 match, which doesn't exist in the game and of course would run up against the rock - paper -scissors principle.

Next moment it's about 'what if at the end of the match there is just 1 BB and 1 CV left', which would likely mean that the CV is out of planes.

Then it's suddenly about a lone BB being caught by a CV 5 mins into the match, which isn't really a balancing problem but the fault of you and your team.

So... what IS it about??

[warlock07rox]

 

Would like to see a Langley do a scissor drop!

 

Simple fact is you should find it almost imposable to fight a Lone CV with Full air groups  in a lone BB but if you have that situation your team(and you) has failed and the CV deserves the win! and if Hosho manages it you should be able to avoid many of the torps and you will have a long time before his planes can get back rearm a launch again! to find and kill him

 

Me?? so in my bb at the back near carrier teams cruisers race off I set of after them am all alone get torped sunk and im at fault ? ok mister what should I do sit at back with carrier cos I cant catch the cruisers if I follow am alone if I sit by Cv im a camping noob so pls do tell me what do I do with no aa cover

[warlock07rox]

 

So? The shells from your BBs and cruisers can't really be actively dodged by anybody. Why should the main weapon of DDs and CVs be reliably dogeable?

 

Also you just jump around back and forth between subjects.

One moment it's about a 1 v 1 match, which doesn't exist in the game and of course would run up against the rock - paper -scissors principle.

Next moment it's about 'what if at the end of the match there is just 1 BB and 1 CV left', which would likely mean that the CV is out of planes.

Then it's suddenly about a lone BB being caught by a CV 5 mins into the match, which isn't really a balancing problem but the fault of you and your team.

So... what IS it about??

 

 

So? The shells from your BBs and cruisers can't really be actively dodged by anybody. Why should the main weapon of DDs and CVs be reliably dogeable?

 

Also you just jump around back and forth between subjects.

One moment it's about a 1 v 1 match, which doesn't exist in the game and of course would run up against the rock - paper -scissors principle.

Next moment it's about 'what if at the end of the match there is just 1 BB and 1 CV left', which would likely mean that the CV is out of planes.

Then it's suddenly about a lone BB being caught by a CV 5 mins into the match, which isn't really a balancing problem but the fault of you and your team.

So... what IS it about??

 

Its about how can a BB counter a Cv which it cant either at start or at end the carrier will own u

[moth_hunter]

Its about how can a BB counter a Cv which it cant either at start or at end the carrier will own u

 

It's not supposed to fight CVs 1v1. Same as a CV will have a hard time 1v1 against a DD, a DD against a CA and that CA against your BB. The point of rock-paper-scissors isn't that every class (or even one class) should be good against everything. And if you end up in a situation like this - be it at the start, the middle or the end of the battle - either your team or you have messed up.

[T0byJug]

 

 

Its about how can a BB counter a Cv which it cant either at start or at end the carrier will own u

 

Ok as we have know changed from a 1 on 1 to a full team on both sides let me make it Clear.........

 

 

ITS NOT YOUR JOB its the job of the DD's and CV's and CR's you job its to occupy the enemy CR and BB to allow your smaller faster ships/aircraft to go kill the enemy Carriers.....

[warlock07rox]

 

It's not supposed to fight CVs 1v1. Same as a CV will have a hard time 1v1 against a DD, a DD against a CA and that CA against your BB. The point of rock-paper-scissors isn't that every class (or even one class) should be good against everything. And if you end up in a situation like this - be it at the start, the middle or the end of the battle - either your team or you have messed up.

 

So theres always 1 ship superior so much for balance then Thank you for confirming that ships aren't balance but I knew that so if your last ship standing look at whats left if its your counter ie carrier or Dd to BB u may as well forget it then.

[warlock07rox]

 

Ok as we have know changed from a 1 on 1 to a full team on both sides let me make it Clear.........

 

 

ITS NOT YOUR JOB its the job of the DD's and CV's and CR's you job its to occupy the enemy CR and BB to allow your smaller faster ships/aircraft to go kill the enemy Carriers.....

 

Still hasn't changed the cv targeted me at the start where I could do nothing to retaliate and he simply owned me which shows that the Bb has no answer to the cv but as we have established the game isn't balanced there is always ships that you cant counter

[T0byJug]

 

So theres always 1 ship superior so much for balance then Thank you for confirming that ships aren't balance but I knew that so if your last ship standing look at whats left if its your counter ie carrier or Dd to BB u may as well forget it then.

 

OMG!! Ships are not all supposed to be balanced no matter what the Class! this is the reason thy put a MM rule that there is where possible the same amount and same tier CV's on both teams!  And also why generally the game tries to put similar numbers of BB/CR and DD on both teams!..

 

Wargaimg have always said that all ships have advantages over others and disadvantages..

 

[warlock07rox]

 

OMG!! Ships are not all supposed to be balanced no matter what the Class! this is the reason thy put a MM rule that there is where possible the same amount and same tier CV's on both teams!  And also why generally the game tries to put similar numbers of BB/CR and DD on both teams!..

 

Wargaimg have always said that all ships have advantages over others and disadvantages..

 

 

Yea they also claims the games balanced which just proves from this class outclasses this class that it isn't balanced.

[T0byJug]

 

Still hasn't changed the cv targeted me at the start where I could do nothing to retaliate and he simply owned me which shows that the Bb has no answer to the cv but as we have established the game isn't balanced there is always ships that you cant counter

 

its called left and right rudder and speed.. if you took a Full spread of torps its almost defiantly because you reacted to late! you should be taking avoiding action as soon as those TBs get within 6km of you! Tern into the TB before they drop there Torps. BB has many many answers to counter TPs at start of game.. Most compatant BB players die to torp bombers or DD because they were distracted and let them get to close. If you are distracted like this at start indead deserve to be owned.

 

And Also you talk about low tier BB as most tier 5+ have pretty good AA and also at start of game you CRs should still be close to give support

 

[T0byJug]

 

Yea they also claims the games balanced which just proves from this class outclasses this class that it isn't balanced.

 

the game is balanced BECAUSE the MM douse not put 12 BB up against 12 CV's or 12 DD. Teams are composed of approximately the same amount of ships and tier give or take 1 or 2.. and in CV the same ALL the time appart from when there us a low sever player load.

[Synth_FG]

 

Still hasn't changed the cv targeted me at the start where I could do nothing to retaliate and he simply owned me which shows that the Bb has no answer to the cv but as we have established the game isn't balanced there is always ships that you cant counter

 

Give me a BB with decent AA like a c hull Colorado 1v1 vs a CV at the end of a battle after I've taken some damage and repaired, and his air group has been chewed up a bit and I'll fancy my chances to at least force at least a draw

I can largely ignore his fighters and dive bombers and concentrate my AA on his TBB's to chew them up and give me decent odds of avoiding the torpedo's, 

I can then aim to drive him into a corner where if I get him in range I can bombard him with HE to set him on fire and then tear him apart at my leasure

 

Most likely outcome tho would be that I'd take a torpedo or 2 in return for his air group and he'd run away from me and stay hidden for the rest of the game

[moth_hunter]

 

So theres always 1 ship superior so much for balance then Thank you for confirming that ships aren't balance but I knew that so if your last ship standing look at whats left if its your counter ie carrier or Dd to BB u may as well forget it then.

 

What are you talking about?

There is usually one ship that is at an advantage in a 1v1 between different classes? Yes. So? The game Isn't played 1v1, it's a team game. And if you end up in a 1v1 situation the chances that you are the ship with the advantage are more or less the same as the chances the you are the ship with the disadvantage.

Game balance doesn't mean everything is equal to everything else. if you expect that, then there are going to be precious few games that fulfil your idea of balance, and that's because most other people find it boring.

 

The principle of this game isn't 'everything beats everything', it's 'rock - paper - scissors'. And if you are unable to understand or unwilling to accept that, then the problem isn't with game balance, it's with you.

If you keep banging your scissor against a rock, insisting that it should be able to do something, then it's nobodies fault but your own.

[T0byJug]

 

Give me a BB with decent AA like a c hull Colorado 1v1 vs a CV at the end of a battle after I've taken some damage and repaired, and his air group has been chewed up a bit and I'll fancy my chances to at least force at least a draw

I can largely ignore his fighters and dive bombers and concentrate my AA on his TBB's to chew them up and give me decent odds of avoiding the torpedo's, 

I can then aim to drive him into a corner where if I get him in range I can bombard him with HE to set him on fire and then tear him apart at my leasure

 

Most likely outcome tho would be that I'd take a torpedo or 2 in return for his air group and he'd run away from me and stay hidden for the rest of the game

 

or just chew up his TB's and CAP.. lets see a CV charge down a BB in CAP

 

Trust me if a DD gets past his team and starts an attack on a CV and the CV manages to take outthe DD that CV is proud very proud. as in almost ALL cases any DD gets within 10km of a CV and the DD has more than half his health the CV is almost always dead

[Adwaenyth]

I guess he'd even complain about the game being utterly unfair, if he'd play chess and end up with king and bishop vs king and queen...

[warlock07rox]

I guess he'd even complain about the game being utterly unfair, if he'd play chess and end up with king and bishop vs king and queen...

 

No need to complain about chess at least that everything has a chance to take the other but as its been shown in here not everything can counter everything

[LooneyBin]

so, we've moved from a DD torp reload speed, to a Cv VS BB thread now????

seriously Guys..........

[moth_hunter]

No need to complain about chess at least that everything has a chance to take the other but as its been shown in here not everything can counter everything

 

1. Not true, actually. Unlike in WoWs, there are actually figures in chess that can NOT fight each other.

2. Try a fight with one pawn against one queen and see if you really think the pawn really has a chance. Any other piece instead of a pawn will just result in an endless dance. In a 1v1, I would guess the only chance you have of beating anything but a pawn would be if the enemy makes a mistake and moves where he can be killed. And if he does that he will also die in a CV against your BB. Except that in WoWs you also have a chance if your enemy isn't stupid.

3. As has been said countless times: everything isn't meant to be a counter to everything else.

 

But there really is no point arguing with you, since you simply ignore everything that doesn't fit your opinion.