US vs IJN or How i learned to stop worrying and give up on WoWS CVs

[Eshaede]

(As per usual, caveat; i only play USN)

 

What is the point of the US CVs ? having finally got to Midway and tried it out, its still out classed, and cannot compete with the Hakuryu

 

3x Torp

3x Dive

2x Fighter

 

Strike is pointless, your fighters get tar-pitted and you lose them. (yes i have more in ONE wing, but 2x4 is more than 1x5) 1 Fighter wing cannot stop , or even "scare" SIX attack wings. (new alt attack is a waste of time, and badly bugged)  So fed up of being spammed with Torps and Divers on a frankly RIDICULOUS reload timer.

Oh shoot down their fighters? okay, do that.. oh look, theyve relaunched before you get to the carrier cos reasons. you lose a US fighter wing, your dead in the water for upwards of THIRTY SECONDS which is a lifetime. 

 

Someone tell me why this is supposed to be balanced ? as im pissing away money and ive had enough tbh. 

 

And the problem with all the usual answers is "OMG YOU GET MORE PLANES".. yes and ? doesnt matter if you have 2 or 20 planes in a wing, if its getting dispersed by TEN SECOND RELAUNCH fighters, they arent going to hit the side of a barn.. id much rather guarantee one or two hits than just hope the almost-90-degree firing arc might hit -something-

 

And i would LOVE to know how im suppose to escort in my mediocre strike wing, AND cover my own CV at opposite ends of the map with ONE wing of fighters. but its ok, IJN can keep 1 to disrupt AND escort with 1, cos if you try to take out his attack aircraft (wait for it, its a classic) all he has to do it HOLD YOU UP for 5-6 seconds so his strike planes get too far out of range of your fighters.. its almost laughable. So what if he loses 1 wing of fighters ? if he gets 3xdiver, 3xtorp through without loss...

 

TLDR: Balance is still way off, the patch didnt help at all, and i cba repairing a 350k/death ship when mechanics are so skewed.

/rant over

 

 

[Iron_Gekko]

(As per usual, caveat; i only play USN)

 

What is the point of the US CVs ? having finally got to Midway and tried it out, its still out classed, and cannot compete with the Hakuryu

 

3x Torp

3x Dive

2x Fighter

 

Strike is pointless, your fighters get tar-pitted and you lose them. (yes i have more in ONE wing, but 2x4 is more than 1x5) 1 Fighter wing cannot stop , or even "scare" SIX attack wings. (new alt attack is a waste of time, and badly bugged)  So fed up of being spammed with Torps and Divers on a frankly RIDICULOUS reload timer.

Oh shoot down their fighters? okay, do that.. oh look, theyve relaunched before you get to the carrier cos reasons. you lose a US fighter wing, your dead in the water for upwards of THIRTY SECONDS which is a lifetime. 

 

Someone tell me why this is supposed to be balanced ? as im pissing away money and ive had enough tbh. 

 

And the problem with all the usual answers is "OMG YOU GET MORE PLANES".. yes and ? doesnt matter if you have 2 or 20 planes in a wing, if its getting dispersed by TEN SECOND RELAUNCH fighters, they arent going to hit the side of a barn.. id much rather guarantee one or two hits than just hope the almost-90-degree firing arc might hit -something-

 

And i would LOVE to know how im suppose to escort in my mediocre strike wing, AND cover my own CV at opposite ends of the map with ONE wing of fighters. but its ok, IJN can keep 1 to disrupt AND escort with 1, cos if you try to take out his attack aircraft (wait for it, its a classic) all he has to do it HOLD YOU UP for 5-6 seconds so his strike planes get too far out of range of your fighters.. its almost laughable. So what if he loses 1 wing of fighters ? if he gets 3xdiver, 3xtorp through without loss...

 

TLDR: Balance is still way off, the patch didnt help at all, and i cba repairing a 350k/death ship when mechanics are so skewed.

/rant over

 

 

 

Sorry but I don't see the issue here, Midway is the strongest CV in the game, it can hold it's own with it's great AA and planes more then any other CV.

 

You're Midway can brute force it's way to the Hakuryu if he doesn't have CA cover... if you're still getting sunk by the Hakurya you properly need to take a look at what you're doing wrong because unless it's a fighter stock then it just wont be able to stop you.

 

Let me guess, you keep getting caught alone in the back of the line while all you're planes are away? Because that's the only explanation... 1 on 1 you're squadrons will always beat his and as pointed out you're AA will rip his squadrons wherein his won't make a proper impact. I suggest you watch some CV basic guides on youtube, I'd post them but seeing as you're too lazy to use the search function instead of starting a new thread I thought it could be a learning experience.

[Iron_Gekko]

Wait... just looked at you're profile, you only have 12 games with the Midway?

 

Play 100 and come back, you don't have enough experience in it to warrant an educated opinion.

[Eshaede]

 

Sorry but I don't see the issue here, Midway is the strongest CV in the game, it can hold it's own with it's great AA and planes more then any other CV.

 

You're Midway can brute force it's way to the Hakuryu if he doesn't have CA cover... if you're still getting sunk by the Hakurya you properly need to take a look at what you're doing wrong because unless it's a fighter stock then it just wont be able to stop you.

 

Let me guess, you keep getting caught alone in the back of the line while all you're planes are away? Because that's the only explanation... 1 on 1 you're squadrons will always beat his and as pointed out you're AA will rip his squadrons wherein his won't make a proper impact. I suggest you watch some CV basic guides on youtube, I'd post them but seeing as you're too lazy to use the search function instead of starting a new thread I thought it could be a learning experience.

 

can you maths ? no ? oh that explains that then

 

or you would know that you cant stop SIX with ONE. but hey, whatever...

AA may well kill planes, AFTER they drop, which is usually too late ? oh wait, yea, you forgot that

 

3x4, 3x5 = 27 planes. id love to see someone shoot that many down with any AA, even a CA in the time it takes to come from flak range to drop range, which is what ? 5 seconds ?

 

the utility of multiple wings FAR outweights the DPS of any given unit.

 

best case scenario on inc ?

you stop ONE torp squad with your ONE fighter wing . so "only" 8 torpers and 15 divers get through for an uninterupted aim ? (ASSUMING he doesnt tar-pit you aswell which is unlikely)

 

best case scenario on outgoing ? 

your fighters get tar-pitted by ONE of his, his other one disrupts one torp wing, so 5 torps and 12 divers get through ?

 

the damage per given unit is irrelevant compared to the Crowd Control mechanic that runs throughout all the Air aspects of WOWS, and IJN has FAR more interupts, and on a 30% recharge aswell

 

/edit

or to put this in simple terms for the peanut gallery

 

US can interupt ONE SIXTH of any attack

IJN can interupt FITY PERCENT

 

 

 

[Eshaede]

Oh wait sorry

 

you play IJN CVs exclusively

 

suddenly it all becomes clear

 

 

[Iron_Gekko]

Nice, you gave me a negative marking because I pointed out you're zero experience, well played sir, you truly are brilliant, it's all going to go down hill from here I am afraid...

 

 

But... Sounds like there are a few things you do wrong here, I am sorry it's just taking into account my 125 battles with a Hakuryu compared to you're 12 battles as a Midway I am obviously the dumb so I just don't know how to approach it other then you're a lazy (bad player 40somthing % winrate?) that wants to hide behind statistics to cover up his inability to do a bit good in this game.

 

As said before, I'd help you out but since you obviously haven't even used the search button yet, so I'll put as much effort into giving you advise as you put into the Midway.

 

Stop sucking, if you get deadpanned by that many squadrons you're doing something wrong.

[Iron_Gekko]

Oh wait sorry

 

you play IJN CVs exclusively

 

suddenly it all becomes clear

 

 

 

Ohhh wait, almost all my opponents are Midways and they are actually more of a threat to me then I am to them, ohh wait? how do I know? Because I've played more then 12 games

[Iron_Gekko]

Aerroon shows the Midway in this Guide,

 

Some great tips on how to go about it, took me 30 seconds to find, next time don't hurl abuse and please use the search function.

 

Also please don't grow an expert opinion with only a dozen games on you're back.

 

[Eshaede]

as i said, you play IJN exclusively, heaven forbid theres some balance needed with your favourite toy

 

it tarnishes everything you say

 

oh and the "your bad" etc arguments dont actually work, it very much "in taking my ball and going home". if you want to actuall COUNTER my argument, do so, going "hur hur " isnt actually viable. every point i raised, you havent actually disproved,. AT ALL. 

 

so , er,ok ?
 

 

[Iron_Gekko]

as i said, you play IJN exclusively, heaven forbid theres some balance needed with your favourite toy

 

it tarnishes everything you say

 

oh and the "your bad" etc arguments dont actually work, it very much "in taking my ball and going home". if you want to actuall COUNTER my argument, do so, going "hur hur " isnt actually viable. every point i raised, you havent actually disproved,. AT ALL. 

 

so , er,ok ?

 

 

 

My favorite toy(s) is actually the Tirpitz and the Nagato, the Hakuryu is my recreational toy because I love RTS.

 

As the Tirpitz I am absolutely horrified by the Midway, the Hakuryu. Not so much, but then again I don't have 12 games in the Midway to consider myself an expert.

 

By the way, found another one for you:

 

[Eshaede]

 

My favorite toy(s) is actually the Tirpitz and the Nagato, the Hakuryu is my recreational toy because I love RTS.

 

As the Tirpitz I am absolutely horrified by the Midway, the Hakuryu. Not so much, but then again I don't have 12 games in the Midway to consider myself an expert.

 

30 and 50 games respectively

125, 99, 87, 72, 66.. down the IJN CV list

 

yea i can see you hate the IJN CVs

 

i get it though, you have EVERYTHING to lose and NOTHING to gain by conceding there is anything wrong with them, dont get all uptight

 

and for the record, i have -never- claimed to be , as you put it, "an expert", im merely someone who plays this to have fun, and isnt currently. you on the other hand are a not-particulary-effective IJN fanboy

 

And, best bit for last;

 

WE ARE TEN POSTS DOWN AND YOU STILL HAVENT ACTUALLY DISPROVED ANY OF MY POINTS, still going "hur dur you only had 12 games in it " .. can you actually prove me wrong ? NO ? feel free to continue or actually formulate a counter-argument

 

 

[Iron_Gekko]

 

Let me guess, you keep getting caught alone in the back of the line while all you're planes are away? Because that's the only explanation... 1 on 1 you're squadrons will always beat his and as pointed out you're AA will rip his squadrons wherein his won't make a proper impact. I suggest you watch some CV basic guides on youtube, I'd post them but seeing as you're too lazy to use the search function instead of starting a new thread I thought it could be a learning experience.

 

Well you never addressed my first question where I asked you about you're play style, you know the part that isn't stats related? since you ignored that outright I figured this wasn't a Q&A session.

 

Also for the ( still going "hur dur you only had 12 games in it " ) no, that wouldn't be me because I don't formulate my points like that. I am just saying that name calling when somebody else actually started by trying to help you is a bit childish?

 

Please accept my apology for any misunderstanding and slight I might have caused when I questioned you're experience.

 

[Eshaede]

Wait... just looked at you're profile, you only have 12 games with the Midway?

 

Play 100 and come back, you don't have enough experience in it to warrant an educated opinion.

 

 

But... Sounds like there are a few things you do wrong here, I am sorry it's just taking into account my 125 battles with a Hakuryu compared to you're 12 battles as a Midway I am obviously the dumb so I just don't know how to approach it other then you're a lazy (bad player 40somthing % winrate?) that wants to hide behind statistics to cover up his inability to do a bit good in this game.

 

 

 

Ohhh wait, almost all my opponents are Midways and they are actually more of a threat to me then I am to them, ohh wait? how do I know? Because I've played more then 12 games

 

 

As the Tirpitz I am absolutely horrified by the Midway, the Hakuryu. Not so much, but then again I don't have 12 games in the Midway to consider myself an expert.

 

 

 

Also for the ( still going "hur dur you only had 12 games in it " ) no, that wouldn't be me because I don't formulate my points like that. I am just saying that name calling when somebody else actually started by trying to help you is a bit childish?

 

 

 

 

mind = blown

 

[Iron_Gekko]

 

 

 

 

 

mind = blown

 

 

Didn't take much did it?

 

Hostile/venomous attitude doesn't always yield polite responses.

[Eshaede]

 

Play 100 and come back, you don't have enough experience in it to warrant an educated opinion.

 

 

Hostile/venomous attitude doesn't always yield polite responses.

 

 

wow, its almost like....

 

[Iron_Gekko]

 

wow, its almost like....

 

 

Eshaede, I am almost sorry to say it. But you really could have made just a small effort and used the search button. My first response should properly have been formulated to (Please go back and play) but you're riding a downtrodden horse here, a lot of people just don't bothering using the search function.

 

I'll apologies again if it helps, sorry for starting out a little rude, also could you please refrain from caps-locking every second sentence, it takes the adulthood out of the conversation.

[CampingAA]

so go with 3/0/2

[Eshaede]

 it takes the adulthood out of the conversation.

 

which is fine, and im still waiting for your reasons why there isnt a problem ? if possible without citing A) how many games ive played, and B) without linking to other peoples youtube videos ;)

 

[Eshaede]

so go with 3/0/2

 

 

i would, if it was worth the XP return, but it never has been .

[Iron_Gekko]

 

which is fine, and im still waiting for your reasons why there isnt a problem ? if possible without citing A) how many games ive played, and B) without linking to other peoples youtube videos ;)

 

 

Linking videos of people who have already a lot more experience then you, meaning it's actually opinions with a bit of merit.

 

Also, could you please answer the question I posted in the start, or the following ones just any of those that you ignored before you even asked you're own questions...

 

In Regards to my "reasons"... as stated before...

 

[Eshaede]

 

Linking videos of people who have already a lot more experience then you, meaning it's actually opinions with a bit of merit.

 

Also, could you please answer the question I posted in the start, or the following ones just any of those that you ignored before you even asked you're own questions...

 

In Regards to my "reasons"... as stated before...

 

 

so as i previously said you cant actually formulate a counter argument ?

ok, glad we got that one sorted out in the end, even though you had to resort to a meme :p

 

[Eshaede]

oh yea forgot to add, both those videos are months old, and out of date patch info

 

[Iron_Gekko]

Eshaede, on 15 September 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

so as i previously said you cant actually formulate a counter argument ?

ok, glad we got that one sorted out in the end, even though you had to resort to a meme :p

 

 

there is nothing to "counter argument" there is only experience and no experience.

 

Really tried to help with instructions and even asking about you're playing style as a 43% win rate normally means you're doing something wrong, and the elephant in the room, the 12 games.

 

Eshaede, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

oh yea forgot to add, both those videos are months old, and out of date patch info

 

 

Patch doesn't really effect level X CV play, but then again you already knew that didn't you? Let me refresh you're memory, It was mainly addressing mid tier CV game-play.

 

Yes there are some game mechanics with the fighter and the Torp bombers, that have changed, but those would apply for both CV's right?

 

[Eshaede]

Iron_Gekko, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

there is nothing to "counter argument" there is only experience and no experience.

 

Really tried to help with instructions and even asking about you're playing style as a 43% win rate normally means you're doing something wrong, and the elephant in the room, the 12 games.

 

spread across 3 nations, and all four ship classes and all tiers? and your point is ? if i ONLY played one ship class then yea...

 

 

Iron_Gekko, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

there is nothing to "counter argument" there is only experience and no experience.

 

Really tried to help with instructions and even asking about you're playing style as a 43% win rate normally means you're doing something wrong, and the elephant in the room, the 12 games.

 

my argument, as stated way above, is that there is a problem in 1v1 meta .

 

you havent proved this to be wrong.

 

dont have any other way of saying that

 

/edit

and im happy to have someone prove me wrong, but "youre sh*te" or "play more" and so forth arent actually convincing arguments

im after the 'other side' , but you dont seem to want to actually give useful info :p

 

 

 

[Hauptbahnhof]

Strike is pointless, your fighters get tar-pitted and you lose them. (yes i have more in ONE wing, but 2x4 is more than 1x5)

 

Playing T10 but don't know how many fighters a USN fighter wing has... Not sure if trolling...