US vs IJN or How i learned to stop worrying and give up on WoWS CVs

[Iron_Gekko]

 

 

Playing T10 but don't know how many fighters a USN fighter wing has... Not sure if trolling...

 

I know, right?

 

 

my argument, as stated way above, is that there is a problem in 1v1 meta .

 

you havent proved this to be wrong.

 

dont have any other way of saying that

 

/edit

and im happy to have someone prove me wrong, but "youre sh*te" or "play more" and so forth arent actually convincing arguments

im after the 'other side' , but you dont seem to want to actually give useful info :p

 

 

 

You're right, I have spent to much time on this. Pointing out the obvious and getting myself drawn into bickering is a waste of time

 

Since you're not bothering with the search function as you're clearly unable to understand why you know nothing (you're stats kinda hallow out you're argument) I'll give you exactly what you want, numbers: http://www.warshipstats.com/shipleaders/

 

Now please go do some homework, even play a few more games and hopefully win some, then come back because the rest of us need more fodder for XP and Money.

 

[Eshaede]

 

Playing T10 but don't know how many fighters a USN fighter wing has... Not sure if trolling...

 

yea cos there is absolutely no way that could possibly be a typo ?

 

But wait ! its -another- IJN-heavy player, trolling a typo rather than forming a counter-argument

 

you know youre reinforcing my point, yea ?

 

 

 

[CampingAA]

 

 

i would, if it was worth the XP return, but it never has been .

 

 

They need to buff XP for planes, but that's what you chose.  The U.S. is team anti-air, both for fighters and cruisers.

[Iron_Gekko]

 

yea cos there is absolutely no way that could possibly be a typo ?

 

But wait ! its -another- IJN-heavy player, trolling a typo rather than forming a counter-argument

 

you know youre reinforcing my point, yea ?

 

 

 

 

Did you check the stats to the link I sent you yet? or are you ignoring it like everything else. No seriously, I know you think the Midway is a horrible ship, but please, let me reassure you. It's just you.

[Eshaede]

 

 

They need to buff XP for planes, but that's what you chose.  The U.S. is team anti-air, both for fighters and cruisers.

 

 

thats the problem with the nation design being thematic

IJN was more "strike" 

USN was more "air cover"

 

only one of those is a worthwhile occupation in terms of XP/cash return in game

 

[CampingAA]

The Midway has a higher win rate and higher KD than the Hakuryu in NA.

[CampingAA]

 

 

thats the problem with the nation design being thematic

IJN was more "strike"

USN was more "air cover"

 

only one of those is a worthwhile occupation in terms of XP/cash return in game

 

 

 

And if made everything the same the entire game would come down to RNG.

[Iron_Gekko]

The Midway has a higher win rate and higher KD than the Hakuryu in NA.

 

True that, but it's not win-rate you should be looking at, as there are more factors to it as the whole team plays into that calculation,

 

What you actually need to look at is the Damage caused by the ship, as that is the indicator of the ships performance, try that, even on Global and then compare.

 

This should also answer this question Eshaede:

 

 

 

thats the problem with the nation design being thematic

IJN was more "strike" 

USN was more "air cover"

 

only one of those is a worthwhile occupation in terms of XP/cash return in game

 

 

[Eshaede]

im always cagey about "win" results, as (at least until RANKED comes in) it will be very RNG on the team build, both players and class balance

 

 

 

And if made everything the same the entire game would come down to RNG.

 

id rather it was identical and RNG than two distinct design styles, one of which is massively more rewarding ? ...

 

[Iron_Gekko]

 

im always cagey about "win" results, as (at least until RANKED comes in) it will be very RNG on the team build, both players and class balance

 

Completely Agree! That's why I refer to the damage dealt which indicates the ship and not the class.

 

Hope this helps you Eshaede, your Midway is not a bad ship, not at all, it is in fact, properly the best ship in the game. Now please get some games in and see for yourself.

 

btw... I hope that didn't blow you're mind as well

[CampingAA]

 

True that, but it's not win-rate you should be looking at, as there are more factors to it as the whole team plays into that calculation,

 

What you actually need to look at is the Damage caused by the ship, as that is the indicator of the ships performance, try that, even on Global and then compare.

 

This should also answer this question Eshaede:

 

 

 

 

The Midway has more damage too in NA.

[Suranis1]

I know I'm just a poor IJN carrier pilot that just has a T5 carrier but might I suggest using your carrier propellers. Its really easy to slam you when you don't move out of your starting position and you hide in the back so everyone knows where you are and well away from any available Cruiser help?

(Just guessing this might be an issue)

[Eshaede]

I know I'm just a poor IJN carrier pilot that just has a T5 carrier but might I suggest using your carrier propellers. Its really easy to slam you when you don't move out of your starting position and you hide in the back so everyone knows where you are and well away from any available Cruiser help?

(Just guessing this might be an issue)

 

oh i do move, ive helped cap before in CVs ;)

but theres a fine line between "staying with the fleet/CAs to get AAA" and "oh look, that BB just spotted me and im inside his 26km+ range" :p

 

 

Completely Agree! That's why I refer to the damage dealt which indicates the ship and not the class.

 

Hope this helps you Eshaede, your Midway is not a bad ship, not at all, it is in fact, properly the best ship in the game. Now please get some games in and see for yourself.

 

btw... I hope that didn't blow you're mind as well

 

oh and i am trying , but at 350k / repair its expensive lesson :p

 

going back to my cruisers to get money

 

 

[Syrchalis]

In short: Hakuryu planes fly to you. You focus with AA. Barrage if he has no fighters with him. AA will rape his planes, because Midway got one of the best AA in the game. His torpedo spread is huge, missing one or two torpedos already means he can't kill you anymore.

 

I once killed 18 Hakuryu TB/DB with one fighter barrage.

 

Meanwhile your TB will NEVER die to Hakuryu AA. His AA is far too weak to touch your 3k HP planes. Also your spread is super tight. You can miss 2 torpedos and still oneshot a Hakuryu. And then you also got divebombers to set fire to him after he repaired - which can compensate for as much as 6 missed torpedos.

 

He can't do that to you, because his DBs will never even reach you with that insane AA.

 

I got both T10 CVs - trust me. Midway is far stronger than Hakuryu. Only 4/2/2 Haku is more or less untouchable, but then you just go for other ships, as he can't attempt to sink you with just 4 bomber squads.

[Iron_Gekko]

Good points,

 

Thank you Syrchalis, I encounter more or less the same in my current Hakuryu and have thought about going pure 4/2/2 when I am not in a division. Just can't keep a Midway at bay when I am alone.

[Iron_Gekko]

 

oh i do move, ive helped cap before in CVs ;)

but theres a fine line between "staying with the fleet/CAs to get AAA" and "oh look, that BB just spotted me and im inside his 26km+ range" :p

 

oh and i am trying , but at 350k / repair its expensive lesson :p

 

going back to my cruisers to get money

 

 

 

At very high levels you really need that Prim account, I don't know if having you're ship in "elite" status gives you more cash or is just a free XP boon.

[II_Nemesis_II]

From my perspective as I have both Hakuryu and Midway, the later one is clearly the winner. The only thing where Hakuryu shined was in killing DDs and CAs, but I did not play Hakuryu after the torp activation nerf in 0.4.1. so I can only imagine it being worse in this regard.

 

Midway needs only 2 groups of her TBs to one-shot any CV in the game (except maybe another Midway), you cannot do that with Hakuryu as the spread is just too big. I am now just waiting for the new IJN spread they want to implement and until then I will stick playing with Midway as it is far more powerful.

[Iron_Gekko]

From my perspective as I have both Hakuryu and Midway, the later one is clearly the winner. The only thing where Hakuryu shined was in killing DDs and CAs, but I did not play Hakuryu after the torp activation nerf in 0.4.1. so I can only imagine it being worse in this regard.

 

Midway needs only 2 groups of her TBs to one-shot any CV in the game (except maybe another Midway), you cannot do that with Hakuryu as the spread is just too big. I am now just waiting for the new IJN spread they want to implement and until then I will stick playing with Midway as it is far more powerful.

 

Think as Syrchalis pointed out, the only real way you can do the Hakuryu now  against a Midway is either to go pure fighter or play in a division and hide behind a CA.

 

Every game I have now I almost desperately try and target the Midway as fast as possible because I know his two TB squadrons along with the fighter squadron will just swat it's way past my defenses.

 

Unless there is a gentlemans agreement of course, it normally fails, but if I can force the Midway to keep his fighters near his CV due to low hp, then you can survie(ish) his retaliation and spare you're team.